Value of: Tristan Jarry?

[HockeyVirus]

Jarry's probably going to need an enticement attached to him to move him at this point. No, not a 1st or something. But probably something like Jarry and a 4th for a conditional 7th. Largely due to his contract and remaining term.

The problem with Jarry is he's just so mentally weak. He's one of the most un-clutch (if you can call it that) goalies I've seen. And weirdly, he's great pre all-star break but turns into a sieve after January.

When he's on his game, he IS a good goalie. But he just can't seem to get over that mental hurdle to consistently play at that level, and has a knack for giving up weak goals when the team is starting to find its game, which in turn derails any sort of momentum the team has.

Ah, so he is Freddy Andersen. I have seen that before myself.

 

[66-30-33]

Jarry and Graves for Hubs? sold.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Vlasic for Jarry (and some sweetner on which ever side?) Or not that bad?

Definitely a pass on that.

 

[centipede2233]

Oilers need to spend any available cap on upgrading the 2nd RHD before ever thinking about spending assets on anything else.

Anyone that thinks a goalie should be a priority for the Oilers hasn't looked at the Oilers roster

You are correct. Defence wins cups, not goaltenders. It won’t matter what goalie Edmonton has with that defence.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Oilers need to spend any available cap on upgrading the 2nd RHD before ever thinking about spending assets on anything else.

Anyone that thinks a goalie should be a priority for the Oilers hasn't looked at the Oilers roster

How about Jarry and Karlsson for cap dumps and all the picks and prospects?

Vlasic for Jarry (and some sweetner on which ever side?) Or not that bad?

Would take Vlasic back as a cap dump but we're going to need a pick or prospect in the deal.

Jarry and Graves for Hubs? sold.

As a Pens fan I'd seriously consider it.

 

[SEALBound]

Something around Huberdeau, Dman for Graves, Jarry

Huberdeau, Bahl, Vladar (expiring) for Eller (expiring), Graves, Jarry
and then Calgary has to add futures for PIT to say yes
Calgary might need to max-retain on Vladar to make cap work

( I'm just messing around, doubt PIT would agree to this )

I would do this as well as the slimmed down version of Graves+Jarry for Hubs.

I'm one of the few that still thinks Hubs could be a lot better with a star center.

I imagine the Penguins would have to send a forward to Calgary as well.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Vlasic for Jarry (and some sweetner on which ever side?) Or not that bad?

Vlasic has only this season and next and Sharks don't need the cap now (but might in year 3 or 4 of Jarry) and considering all that, Sharks at this point probably let Vlasic retire as a Shark as it's his only team for his entire career.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I would do this as well as the slimmed down version of Graves+Jarry for Hubs.

I'm one of the few that still thinks Hubs could be a lot better with a star center.

I imagine the Penguins would have to send a forward to Calgary as well.

Eller is there for cap reasons and Penguins sending a forward out to make room for Huberdeau. Expiring contract. Same with Vladar, cap reasons and so Penguins have another goalie (just for this year only) and Blomqvist can start in Wilkes-Barre. I included Bahl so Pens can have a 3rd pair LD to replace Graves, but he's also young and big and has potential.

Forward and D and goalie for forward and D and goalie makes sense to me when you need at least 5 or 6 guys to make cap work and some of them are expiring.

 

[biturbo19]

Something around Huberdeau, Dman for Graves, Jarry

Huberdeau, Bahl, Vladar (expiring) for Eller (expiring), Graves, Jarry
and then Calgary has to add futures for PIT to say yes
Calgary might need to max-retain on Vladar to make cap work

( I'm just messing around, doubt PIT would agree to this )

There might actually be something to this messing around. Somewhere in there, might be a trade that makes sense. Probably have to strip it back and rejig it a bit. But something with a Jarry+Graves for Huberdeau does have a little bit of potential to build a deal that works.


Certainly from the Penguins end, i can see the appeal of admitting that you're really "all in" with this aging core for the next few years...and you're adding a guy in Huberdeau who clearly has the skill and ability to put up substantial points if he "clicks" with one of the Penguins Centers. Also kind of "undoes" two pretty substantial mistake contracts.


From the Flames end, it's a little bit tougher sell i think. Really leaning heavily on the idea of getting out from under Huberdeau's deal earlier. 'Cause in the meantime, i'm not really sure what Jarry does for them, and Graves...well, if he were actually a big steady veteran "stay at home" presence, it'd be great for the Flames to help break in some young defencemen and probably allow them to move off a guy like Andersson for more futures. But then...if Graves were that...the Penguins probably wouldn't be wanting to dump him. He's a far more aggressive defenceman than that, more in the Zadorov mold...which makes him trickier for a young, still trying to find their NHL footing partner to play with.


But it would allow Calgary to move on from the "Huberdeau Era" a little bit earlier. So more than adding things on either side to "balance", it probably just comes down to assessing just how much getting out from under Huberdeau's term at huge dollars is worth to them.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

There might actually be something to this messing around. Somewhere in there, might be a trade that makes sense. Probably have to strip it back and rejig it a bit. But something with a Jarry+Graves for Huberdeau does have a little bit of potential to build a deal that works.


Certainly from the Penguins end, i can see the appeal of admitting that you're really "all in" with this aging core for the next few years...and you're adding a guy in Huberdeau who clearly has the skill and ability to put up substantial points if he "clicks" with one of the Penguins Centers. Also kind of "undoes" two pretty substantial mistake contracts.


From the Flames end, it's a little bit tougher sell i think. Really leaning heavily on the idea of getting out from under Huberdeau's deal earlier. 'Cause in the meantime, i'm not really sure what Jarry does for them, and Graves...well, if he were actually a big steady veteran "stay at home" presence, it'd be great for the Flames to help break in some young defencemen and probably allow them to move off a guy like Andersson for more futures. But then...if Graves were that...the Penguins probably wouldn't be wanting to dump him. He's a far more aggressive defenceman than that, more in the Zadorov mold...which makes him trickier for a young, still trying to find their NHL footing partner to play with.


But it would allow Calgary to move on from the "Huberdeau Era" a little bit earlier. So more than adding things on either side to "balance", it probably just comes down to assessing just how much getting out from under Huberdeau's term at huge dollars is worth to them.

Flames have no notable goalie prospects that are only 1 or 2 years away, and Wolf is cheap now and likely to remain cheap-ISH for the next 2 or 3 years. Running a Wolf Jarry tandem for 2 or 3 or 4 years seems very workable for the Flames from a cap perspective and a "don't block the high potential kids" perspective.

 

[biturbo19]

Flames have no notable goalie prospects that are only 1 or 2 years away, and Wolf is cheap now and likely to remain cheap-ISH for the next 2 or 3 years. Running a Wolf Jarry tandem for 2 or 3 or 4 years seems very workable for the Flames from a cap perspective and a "don't block the high potential kids" perspective.

It's certainly "workable" from a cap perspective and everything. I just question a little bit if it's "worthwhile" to any meaningful extent.

I'm not sure how much they'd value having a guy like Jarry to platoon with Wolf for the next year or two, before they end up with what would amount to...a very expensive backup, if things go the way they obviously hope with Wolf.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

What's with the Pen's and cup winning goalies losing it after 3-4 years?

Other teams have that guy for like 10 years and he plays the same.... I don't get what happens.

Cup winning goalies? Jarry has won 2 playoff games in his career.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

It's certainly "workable" from a cap perspective and everything. I just question a little bit if it's "worthwhile" to any meaningful extent.

I'm not sure how much they'd value having a guy like Jarry to platoon with Wolf for the next year or two, before they end up with what would amount to...a very expensive backup, if things go the way they obviously hope with Wolf.

I doubt they would be happy about it, but perhaps they'd be even LESS happy with Huberdeau over $10 million cap until 2031? I don't think any Huberdeau trade will make them actually HAPPY... just less dissatisfied as compared to before perhaps.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Something around Huberdeau, Dman for Graves, Jarry

Huberdeau, Bahl, Vladar (expiring) for Eller (expiring), Graves, Jarry
and then Calgary has to add futures for PIT to say yes
Calgary might need to max-retain on Vladar to make cap work

( I'm just messing around, doubt PIT would agree to this )

Crazy as it might seem, I could definitely see Huberdeau finding his game again playing with the likes of Crosby or even "old man" Malkin. It's certainly a risk on the Pens side but maybe one worth gambling on. The latter years of Huberdeau won't matter since they'll be in "bottom out" rebuild territory by then.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Jarry does not look good. Having said that our defense also sucks. He might be better on a more realistic cup contender.

Would be dumb to retain on his contract, but would take a dump back plus the highest pick we can get from a team (probably 3rd but if there’s desperation maybe a 2nd)

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Jarry does not look good. Having said that our defense also sucks. He might be better on a more realistic cup contender.

Would be dumb to retain on his contract, but would take a dump back plus the highest pick we can get from a team (probably 3rd but if there’s desperation maybe a 2nd)

Jarry having 4 years of term instead of 3 or 2 means that Pittsburgh is probably adding the pick, not the other team.

4 year overpaid guy + pick
for
1 or 2 or 3 yr overpaid guy

 

[biturbo19]

I doubt they would be happy about it, but perhaps they'd be even LESS happy with Huberdeau over $10 million cap until 2031? I don't think any Huberdeau trade will make them actually HAPPY... just less dissatisfied as compared to before perhaps.

Yeah. That'd pretty much be the "value" in that sort of Huberdeau deal. It's just a pretty murky thing to pin down exactly how much that's worth to them...compared to just having him playing for them and dealing with that. At the moment, it's not strictly as though he's really "blocking" a bunch of really high end scoring forwards. Down the line, that will presumably change...so there's potential value in just getting out from under the contract while they can and being free of the other dumps by the time they're really starting to integrate more good young forwards. It's just one of those elements of "value" that is fairly nebulous and difficult to pin down. Really subjective, and depends on what the Flames brass "roadmap" through their rebuild looks like and what they expect from the team in the interim.

 

[Shark Finn]

What teams might be interested (Oilers, Canucks, Sharks, who else?) and what might it cost to get him?

Sharks have no interest nor need whatsoever, they have Blackwood and Vanecek in the NHL with Askarov in the AHL playing and waiting for his chance to come.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I see that he has had a rough start to the season and the Pens are playing their third string over him right now. One thing Dubas has done pretty consistently is move off of players when they lose their fit. That makes me think we could see Jarry being shopped to some teams who could use goaltending help.

What teams might be interested (Oilers, Canucks, Sharks, who else?) and what might it cost to get him?

rough start? He is personally killing me in two fantasy leagues

 

[The Old Master]

What's with the Pen's and cup winning goalies losing it after 3-4 years?

Other teams have that guy for like 10 years and he plays the same.... I don't get what happens.

have you seen our coach's defensive system? it could break any goalie over time.

 

[SomeDude]

What's with the Pen's and cup winning goalies losing it after 3-4 years?

Tristan Jarry has not, and never will be, a Cup winning goalie. As a starter, at least.

Quite possibly the most unclutch goalie of his time.

rough start? He is personally killing me in two fantasy leagues

You deserve it for drafting him.

 

[Zbynek]

What's with the Pen's and cup winning goalies losing it after 3-4 years?

Other teams have that guy for like 10 years and he plays the same.... I don't get what happens.

Tristan Jarry has 2 playoff wins in his entire career. Been in the NHL for 8 years now

 

[iago]

He has negative value.

 

[FerrisRox]

I see that he has had a rough start to the season and the Pens are playing their third string over him right now. One thing Dubas has done pretty consistently is move off of players when they lose their fit. That makes me think we could see Jarry being shopped to some teams who could use goaltending help.

What teams might be interested (Oilers, Canucks, Sharks, who else?) and what might it cost to get him?

Why would any of the Oilers, Canucks or Sharks want anything to do with Tristan Jarry?

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Why would any of the Oilers, Canucks or Sharks want anything to do with Tristan Jarry?

They wouldn’t. There are certain Leafs fans who can’t help but breathlessly follow Dubas like a scorned ex lover.