Value of: Trevor Zegras this offseason

[McDonald19]

Dreger said Montreal is interested but not overpaying. Not eager in other words

That’s the thing, the Ducks are just “listening”. They aren’t just going to give him away without getting a very high end piece in return (which could be interpreted as overpayment).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

That’s the thing, the Ducks are just “listening”. They aren’t just going to give him away without getting a very high end piece in return (which could be interpreted as overpayment).

Yep but certainly enough smoke to warrant discussion…. Really the only deals I don’t hate from Montreal are

Reinbacher +
Or
5th overall

Maybe guhle + gets it across

No rush to move zegras, he had a strong end of the season, and we already have a high pick and plenty of cap space. But if the right deal came up sure I think pv would move him.

The right deal isn’t a bunch of meh pieces from Montreal tho

 

[HabsAddict]

There is Sennekke which is just as fancy and likely capable as Zegras. He's going to go top 10 so the trick is, can we pick him up without losing/using 5thOA.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

There is Sennekke which is just as fancy and likely capable as Zegras. He's going to go top 10 so the trick is, can we pick him up without losing/using 5thOA.

I think it depends on habs expectations/patience… do they want to continue waiting and developing and hoping…. Or would they rather use assets to get help for now.

Do they think zegras is a better fit in Montreal than Anaheim…. I could def see Montreal feeling like zegras will be a star in Montreal. Montreal has been the team linked to him frequently, so there is def interest there, just interested to see what Anaheim ask is and Montreal is pitching.

Luckily for Anaheim we’re in a position where we can hold off until we get something we like.

I’m against moving zegras personally, but not convinced PV is against it, if the right offer is on the table

 

[HuGort]

Did he say " actual talks have picked up " or something along the lines of he wouldn't be surprised if trade talks picked up etc. Like 98% of the time he is reporting nothing but he words it in a way you think it's actual news and insider information. Have never liked Dreger.

Dreger said talks have resumed from last winter

 

[HabsAddict]

I think it depends on habs expectations/patience… do they want to continue waiting and developing and hoping…. Or would they rather use assets to get help for now.

Do they think zegras is a better fit in Montreal than Anaheim…. I could def see Montreal feeling like zegras will be a star in Montreal. Montreal has been the team linked to him frequently, so there is def interest there, just interested to see what Anaheim ask is and Montreal is pitching.

Luckily for Anaheim we’re in a position where we can hold off until we get something we like.

I’m against moving zegras personally, but not convinced PV is against it, if the right offer is on the table

Zegras scares me in what he will demand as a FA. The last negotiation was a litmus test and it didn't go smoothly.

There are a lot of youngsters out there that may not be as fancy as Z, but they can fill a top 6 role. A couple from Philly, a few from Buffalo, etc.

Depends what we can do with the extra 1st rounders and excess young defenseman...which don't hold that much value in themselves, but may be the necessary fillers in a big trade.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zegras scares me in what he will demand as a FA. The last negotiation was a litmus test and it didn't go smoothly.

There are a lot of youngsters out there that may not be as fancy as Z, but they can fill a top 6 role. A couple from Philly, a few from Buffalo, etc.

Depends what we can do with the extra 1st rounders and excess young defenseman...which don't hold that much value in themselves, but may be the necessary fillers in a big trade.

To be fair with the contract negotiations no one knows how they really went down…. For all we know zegras wanted to sign 8 x 8 and PV didn’t want to give him term…. PV hasn’t Given out 1 8 year contract yet(terry got 7) … could very much been a PV / ducks thing with the contract negotiating.

I think if Montreal did get zegras and he was asking for big money, that prob means he hit/exceeded expectations and it’s prob a good problem from a Montreal perspective

 

[Habs Halifax]

That’s the thing, the Ducks are just “listening”. They aren’t just going to give him away without getting a very high end piece in return (which could be interpreted as overpayment).

I think it's more of a back and forth conversation and definitly not as nasty or confrontational as these threads. It's very possible that Hughes asked the Ducks to provide several trade request from our assets so we can evaluate as we head towards the draft. It's likely more than just one trade idea.

GM's are doing a lot of due diligence and need to be prepared for the draft day. Imagine trying to negotiate a trade out of nowhere on draft day? I don't think it happens that quickly. I think most often, teams have pre agreed deals with contingency's depending on other things.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think it's more of a back and forth conversation and definitly not as nasty or confrontational as these threads. It's very possible that Hughes asked the Ducks to provide several trade request from our assets so we can evaluate as we head towards the draft. It's likely more than just one trade idea.

GM's are doing a lot of due diligence and need to be prepared for the draft day. Imagine trying to negotiate a trade out of nowhere on draft day? I don't think it happens that quickly

Realistic take

 

[Qwijibo]

Legit question. I dont follow the ducks that closely. Zegras is young and talented. Why would Anaheim be listening to offers on him? Shouldn't he be an untouchable part of the core? What's the story? Contract issues? Personality issue? Roster construction?

 

[Static]

Legit question. I dont follow the ducks that closely. Zegras is young and talented. Why would Anaheim be listening to offers on him? Shouldn't he be an untouchable part of the core? What's the story? Contract issues? Personality issue? Roster construction?

Zegras is a bob murray pick, similar to drysdale. Verbeek is bringing in "his" type of players, and zegras may or may not fit that type.

It is still very much a possibility (probability?) that all this trade chatter is a mob effect after drysdale was moved.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yep but certainly enough smoke to warrant discussion…. Really the only deals I don’t hate from Montreal are

Reinbacher +
Or
5th overall

Maybe guhle + gets it across

No rush to move zegras, he had a strong end of the season, and we already have a high pick and plenty of cap space. But if the right deal came up sure I think pv would move him.

The right deal isn’t a bunch of meh pieces from Montreal tho

Bet you Hughes will try to get another asset that the Ducks are looking for, from another team. That's how he landed Dach. Hawks didn't want Romanov but the Islanders did and the Hawks wanted a pick. Hughes got his hands on the 13th which was what the Hawks were looking for.

It's possible Hughes tries to get the Devils 10th pick (Maybe Matheson and the Jets 1st... who knows). Then he flips the 10th with another add for Zegras? Just spinning potential ideas here.

Not sure if we trade Reinbacher but I would say he is more on the table than our 5th or Guhle. Right now, Guhle is playing RD with Matheson and Habs fans think this is not a long term plan. But maybe it is. Without Reinbacher, we would have to keep Guhle at RD and have Mailloux and Barron on that RD side.

 

[anezthes]

Legit question. I dont follow the ducks that closely. Zegras is young and talented. Why would Anaheim be listening to offers on him? Shouldn't he be an untouchable part of the core? What's the story? Contract issues? Personality issue? Roster construction?

Pat Verbeek.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Bet you Hughes will try to get another asset that the Ducks are looking for, from another team. That's how he landed Dach. Hawks didn't want Romanov but the Islanders did and the Hawks wanted a pick. Hughes got his hands on the 13th which was what the Hawks were looking for.

It's possible Hughes tries to get the Devils 10th pick (Maybe Matheson and the Jets 1st... who knows). Then he flips the 10th with another add for Zegras? Just spinning potential ideas here.

That’s prob another option that isn’t on the table right now…. Montreal does have assets to move to get more assets to try and make a trade. Specially if they’d still like to keep their top 5 pick

 

[Habs Halifax]

That’s prob another option that isn’t on the table right now…. Montreal does have assets to move to get more assets to try and make a trade. Specially if they’d still like to keep their top 5 pick

My gut tells me that is going to be Hughes attempt (Guhle and 5th are not being traded). He's also knocking on the door with Necas but personally, I prefer Zegras's bridge contract so we can evaluate him on our roster. Necas costs a lot of assets and then you got to commit to a long term deal without him playing one single game on your team. Risky IMO.

Here is a question for you. If it's Reinbacher and the Jets 1st (for example), What do the Ducks do with their pick? Take a defensive still? Id be seriously looking at Dickinson. My BPA's after Celebrini are Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom.

If we make a deal for Zegras and it is Reinbacher+, I need assurance you don't take Iggy before us. Haha. I really want the Habs to land Tij.

Pat Verbeek.

Media has exposed it as well but there does seem to be some smoke.

 

[anezthes]

If it's Reinbacher and the Jets 1st (for example), What do the Ducks do with their pick?

I'd venture a guess and say Lindstrom.

Gauthier – Carlsson – x
Lindstrom – McTavish – x

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd venture a guess and say Lindstrom.

Gauthier – Carlsson – x
Lindstrom – McTavish – x

That's a good build of big nasty guys who have skill.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

There’s nothing about Zegras that leads me to believe he will be a playoff performer, zero interest in Z from this Habs fan, wouldn’t even trade Beck 1:1 for him let alone Reinbacher or 5OA

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

My gut tells me that is going to be Hughes attempt (Guhle and 5th are not being traded). He's also knocking on the door with Necas but personally, I prefer Zegras's bridge contract so we can evaluate him on our roster. Necas costs a lot of assets and then you got to commit to a long term deal without him playing one single game on your team. Risky IMO.

Here is a question for you. If it's Reinbacher and the Jets 1st (for example), What do the Ducks do with their pick? Take a defensive still? Id be seriously looking at Dickinson. My BPA's after Celebrini are Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom.

If we make a deal for Zegras and it is Reinbacher+, I need assurance you don't take Iggy before us. Haha. I really want the Habs to land Tij.



Media has exposed it as well but there does seem to be some smoke.

I think lindstrom would be big on our radar, if we were to acquire Reinbacher in a deal for zegras.

Or it opens the door for a guy like silayev/Dickinson.

Mintyukov Reinbacher
Dickinson/silayev luneau
Zellweger gudas

Would be a pretty nice d corp, good combination of physical guys and play makers on back end

 

[Habs Halifax]

There’s nothing about Zegras that leads me to believe he will be a playoff performer, zero interest in Z from this Habs fan, wouldn’t even trade Beck 1:1 for him let alone Reinbacher or 5OA

I can see this angle and it's not a reach like some fans will attack you for. Is Zegras a playoff warrior who turns the needle? Nobody knows this. One thing I don't like is he was not that good for he US at the WC's. You would have thought a fresh change playing with different players and more talent would have brought out the best in Zegras but it didn't.

I would be interested in Zegras but not desperate. Deal has to make sense depending on the assets going the other way. I suspect Hughes will turn over every rock to see if it's a trade we can afford.

 

[StreetHawk]

Did he say " actual talks have picked up " or something along the lines of he wouldn't be surprised if trade talks picked up etc. Like 98% of the time he is reporting nothing but he words it in a way you think it's actual news and insider information. Have never liked Dreger.

all insiders do that. It allows them to say, it wasn't my source so if it doesn't go through, my credibility (what little they have) doesn't take a hit. Versus actually writing it as "my sources are telling me that ....."

With social media, they just need to keep their name out there and that they "appear" connected when they just throw stuff at the wall and pick up what they hear without vetting anything. Thus, the "I'm hearing" phrase that they put in front of their "reports".

 

[Rec T]

Legit question. I dont follow the ducks that closely. Zegras is young and talented. Why would Anaheim be listening to offers on him? Shouldn't he be an untouchable part of the core? What's the story? Contract issues? Personality issue? Roster construction?

"Journalists" trying to get clicks...

If you go back to the various Zegras threads the vast, vast majority of them were rumored that he's going to a team with a LOT of fans/readers. Never to a small market team...funny that.

That isn't to say that PV isn't listening to offers/talking it over with other GMs, that's his job after all. However he's also said that he's not available unless it's for an overpayment on the other team's part. So unless it's for a player that PV just can't turn down that also fills a big hole in Anaheim's plans (someone at the NHL level projected to be (if not there already) a star+ if not elite talent with size & grit who either plays RW or RHD, & who is also of an age to grow with their upcoming core) then he's going nowhere.

Unfortunately, in the meantime we all have to suffer through pages & pages of other teams' fans trying to justify why PV should be exceedingly happy to move on from Z for 3 bags of pucks, a half dozen used jock straps, & future considerations.

 

[HabsAddict]

There’s nothing about Zegras that leads me to believe he will be a playoff performer, zero interest in Z from this Habs fan, wouldn’t even trade Beck 1:1 for him let alone Reinbacher or 5OA

You can't compare Beck to Z. One has immense talent, the other is built on being a skating hyena.

I want the heyna in the playoffs but we also need the talent to tie or brake a game open. With Little X on the horizon, we got the hyenas, we now need the top 6 talent

 

[Gliff]

There’s nothing about Zegras that leads me to believe he will be a playoff performer, zero interest in Z from this Habs fan, wouldn’t even trade Beck 1:1 for him let alone Reinbacher or 5OA

And I think we are done here lol.

 

[hockeyguy0022]

Is zegras wanting big money for his .5 PPG last year?

if he's interested in a 2-3 year deal for reasonable money I would think the flames would be interested in seeing if something shakes out as he grows/develops. if not, you can get rid of him, he's not going to be any worse of a player then .7-.5 ppg.

Is he a poor mans Mitch Marner?