Player Discussion Trevor Zegras (Part II)

[bsu]

That’s really not terrible considering the team was gutted at the TDL.

9-8 is not a good record to me, but to each their own. I guess our standards are pretty low around here these days though lol

 

[Leonardo87]

9-8 is not a good record to me, but to each their own. I guess our standards are pretty low around here these days though lol

No not for regular standards, I agree. But when a team is gutted like it was it’s not terrible.

 

[bsu]

No not for regular standards, I agree. But when a team is gutted like it was it’s not terrible.

Being happy about that is like being happy Shattenkirk was -1 last game.

 

[Vipers31]

9-8 is not a good record to me, but to each their own. I guess our standards are pretty low around here these days though lol

Agreed that it’s not good, but tbf you said dog shit, and I think it’s fair to reserve that kind of label for significantly below .500 teams.

 

[Leonardo87]

Being happy about that is like being happy Shattenkirk was -1 last game.

Never said I was happy about it. I’ve seen teams who gutted their teams with half the amount of wins/points.

My point is for them to play .500 after having so many holes created gives some credit to the remaining players who were fighting it out the last 20 or so games.

 

[bsu]

Agreed that it’s not good, but tbf you said dog shit, and I think it’s fair to reserve that kind of label for significantly below .500 teams.

If you don't make the playoffs you're a dog shit team we know what we are getting ourselves into its a rebuild.

 

[Ducks DVM]

That's not a good record.

That’s not a dog shit record. Zegras was part of the problem, that’s sorta the whole point of this.

 

[bsu]

That’s not a dog shit record. Zegras was part of the problem, that’s sorta the whole point of this.

I mean everyone in the organization was part of the problem.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Edit: He had 22 points in 25 games, .88 PPG, then 39 points in 50, .78 PPG. 25th game was the Milano goal. So slight decrease, but he had 4 game stretch with 8 points in that first 25 games. Not really huge drop off in production, especially considering we had a really easy first half the season that resulted in a 8 game win streak.

What the hell is this revisionist history?

First 9 games: 2-5-3 (7 pts)

1-goal differential games: 7​

1-GD record: 1-3-3​

Notable wins: Jets and Flames (OT)​

Next 8 games: 8-0-0 with two OT wins (16 pts)

1-goal differential games: 2​

1-GD record: 2-0-0​

Notable wins: Beat Canucks x2 (one OTW), Blues, and Caps (OT).​

In the first 9 games, the kids were put into all situations and at the end of games. It did not go well. Then Eakins tweaked the deployment by keeping Zegras and Drysdale off the ice late in games. We were able to turn close game losses into wins. I remember many complaining about not putting the kids in late in games, but not realizing that was the reason we started winning games.

 

[Sean Garrity]

There were far more variables at play than simply an increase in media attention. The entire team was worse in the second half of the season, supporting cast was less, first full nhl season, teams game planning/adjusting to him, etc. To simply single out only one of those is extremely disingenuous IMO.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Our team was dog shit after the break.

They were 9-8-4 over that span.

Agreed that it’s not good, but tbf you said dog shit, and I think it’s fair to reserve that kind of label for significantly below .500 teams.

If you don't make the playoffs you're a dog shit team we know what we are getting ourselves into its a rebuild.

Although, if we apply this to Terry, then why didn't @bsu clamor at the top of his lungs that Terry's been dog shit for years like he has done for Steel (though I wholly agree about Steel). I don't recall seeing that, but I do recall the continued hype of Terry due to nuance. Double standard much?

Ducks 2021-22
Game Set	Games	W	L	OTL	Pts		Point Share	Description
Total	82​	31​	37​	14​	76​		0.463​	Not good
Gm 1 - 33	33​	17​	9​	7​	41​		0.621​	Great
Gm 34 - 62	29​	10​	16​	3​	23​		0.397​	Shit
Gm 63 - 82 (TDL)	20​	4​	12​	4​	12​		0.300​	Dog shit

There are more than two descriptive options than a playoff team and dog shit. Those other options create a much better picture instead of adhering to Charlie Puth's "You turn me on like a light switch" binary recounting.

 

[Ducks DVM]

There were far more variables at play than simply an increase in media attention. The entire team was worse in the second half of the season, supporting cast was less, first full nhl season, teams game planning/adjusting to him, etc. To simply single out only one of those is extremely disingenuous IMO.

To imply that it had zero effect on his play, which was worse to the eye at the same time, is equally so. It was never stated it was the ONLY reason.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I mean everyone in the organization was part of the problem.

Agreed. But this was talking about Zegras over that time, which was the point.

 

[Quack Shot]

What the hell is this revisionist history?

First 9 games: 2-5-3 (7 pts)

1-goal differential games: 7​

1-GD record: 1-3-3​

Notable wins: Jets and Flames (OT)​

Next 8 games: 8-0-0 with two OT wins (16 pts)

1-goal differential games: 2​

1-GD record: 2-0-0​

Notable wins: Beat Canucks x2 (one OTW), Blues, and Caps (OT).​

In the first 9 games, the kids were put into all situations and at the end of games. It did not go well. Then Eakins tweaked the deployment by keeping Zegras and Drysdale off the ice late in games. We were able to turn close game losses into wins. I remember many complaining about not putting the kids in late in games, but not realizing that was the reason we started winning games.

Canucks were a bottom team until Bruce took over…

Our wins in that run was Montreal, New Jersey, AZ, Vancouver X2, Seattle, Washington, and the Blues, 6 out of 8 wins were against crappy teams…

 

[Sean Garrity]

To imply that it had zero effect on his play, which was worse to the eye at the same time, is equally so. It was never stated it was the ONLY reason.

If you really need to be right then that’s fair, but it was 100% implied and was the only variable that was being discussed at the time.

 

[Trojans86]

Zegs has found a way to be ultra-engaging without being annoying or obnoxious. I think somebody here posted maybe during 2021 that he’s great to all the staff and Honda Center people. it isn’t all just glitz and glamour.

Yeah that was me. I know an assistant coach and 2 other guys that work with him directly and they all told me how nice, engaging and respectful he was to the staff...and they also told me there are plenty that are super rude.

 

[Ducks DVM]

If you really need to be right then that’s fair, but it was 100% implied and was the only variable that was being discussed at the time.

It was implied that there was a noticeable falloff in his play that occurred proximal to that event. Young players frequently have issues when their focus is taken away from just hockey - media, family, getting a letter, etc. it wasn’t an unreasonable sentiment for me to have that I want his entire focus to be on hockey rather than media and publicity.

If you chose to interpret that as me saying that was the only possible reason for his falloff I will accept some blame for not being clearer, but I think anyone refusing to entertain the notion that there could possibly be something to what I’m saying as not being terribly objective about the topic.

 

[bsu]

It was implied that there was a noticeable falloff in his play that occurred proximal to that event. Young players frequently have issues when their focus is taken away from just hockey - media, family, getting a letter, etc. it wasn’t an unreasonable sentiment for me to have that I want his entire focus to be on hockey rather than media and publicity.

If you chose to interpret that as me saying that was the only possible reason for his falloff I will accept some blame for not being clearer, but I think anyone refusing to entertain the notion that there could possibly be something to what I’m saying as not being terribly objective about the topic.

I think his drop off has to do with a shitty inconsistent poorly coached team and being a youngster more than him doing some interviews but who really knows. Impossible to say.

 

[ff8]

Yeah that was me. I know an assistant coach and 2 other guys that work with him directly and they all told me how nice, engaging and respectful he was to the staff...and they also told me there are plenty that are super rude.

Damn, part of me wants to know the rude ones but also ignorance is bliss…

 

[Sean Garrity]

It was implied that there was a noticeable falloff in his play that occurred proximal to that event. Young players frequently have issues when their focus is taken away from just hockey - media, family, getting a letter, etc. it wasn’t an unreasonable sentiment for me to have that I want his entire focus to be on hockey rather than media and publicity.

If you chose to interpret that as me saying that was the only possible reason for his falloff I will accept some blame for not being clearer, but I think anyone refusing to entertain the notion that there could possibly be something to what I’m saying as not being terribly objective about the topic.

I hear you, and I don’t think you were even the original post that I quoted so I apologize if I came off brute. My thought was simply honing in on the media aspect of things was not painting the full picture as opposed to an argument about whether his on ice production fell off. His production absolutely fell off, but so did many of the team members. Overall, I hope they all learn from it moving forward.

Damn, part of me wants to know the rude ones but also ignorance is bliss…

We obviously can’t know how much of that was the Getzy influence, but by all reports that was one of the things that Getzlaf emphasized with the youngsters. Treating everyone with respect goes a long way. It doesn’t matter what they do, be an adult and treat them with respect.

 

[Trojans86]

Damn, part of me wants to know the rude ones but also ignorance is bliss…

I can tell you Steel was one of them. Since he is off the team I don't really care. Steel never bought into the team concept, really only cared about himself and treated trainers and staff like they were below him.

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

I can tell you Steel was one of them. Since he is off the team I don't really care. Steel never bought into the team concept, really only cared about himself and treated trainers and staff like they were below him.

Wow interesting, thanks for sharing. Never heard him mentioned by any teammates in interviews, or saw him hanging out with the boys on social media

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I can tell you Steel was one of them. Since he is off the team I don't really care. Steel never bought into the team concept, really only cared about himself and treated trainers and staff like they were below him.

This certainly puts a damper on wishing him well. I guess I'll say that I hope he gets what he deserves, and after seeing him play for a few years - I think that's likely.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I can tell you Steel was one of them. Since he is off the team I don't really care. Steel never bought into the team concept, really only cared about himself and treated trainers and staff like they were below him.

Kinda rich coming from a player of his calibre

 

[bsu]

I can tell you Steel was one of them. Since he is off the team I don't really care. Steel never bought into the team concept, really only cared about himself and treated trainers and staff like they were below him.

This wouldn't be surprising... think to yourself do you ever remember him once having a conversation with a teammate and having a good time laughing/chirping etc.... He wasn't going to work out here.