Player Discussion Trent Frederic II

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Not true at all.

Coaches all use it.

And great to see Freddy getting so much better under Sacco. Only a -3.

All organizations use analytics but you repel away from those. No one is using plus/minus as any serious evaluation metric, for incredibly obvious reasons.

 

[easton117]

You hear hockey coaches talk about it all the time but again the keyboard wizards have deemed it useless

I think it’s funny two good seasons mean the guy is going to trend up and deserving of a big raise to extend, but sucking for half a season in his current contract year is a “fluke” or not ok to base anything off of that. Just pretend it’s not happening

I like him and again extend him if you want, I get the allure of what he could be, but if you can deal him for a 1 and something it’s an absolute no brainer. Bruins apparently see him as a 3rd line guy or they would have elevated him by now.


Going by people here Neighbours is a 30 goal guy. Can’t see them being that stupid but sign me up

My brain may be stuck in 5 years ago prices. But I have a hard time wrapping my head around paying him more than 3 million per season.

He’s a 3rd line forward. These guys are everywhere.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

All organizations use analytics but you repel away from those. No one is using plus/minus as any serious evaluation metric, for incredibly obvious reasons.

I disagree.

Have never heard an NHL coach mention Corsi or Fenwick.

Plus/Minus? Lots of times.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I disagree.

Have never heard an NHL coach mention Corsi or Fenwick.

Plus/Minus? Lots of times.

“Mention”

You do know that every single NHL team has a decent sized analytics department right? One of our very own members here works in one of them.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

“Mention”

You do know that every single NHL team has a decent sized analytics department right? One of our very own members here works in one of them.

I don't deny that.

But if you are going to give me analytics that say Trent Frederic isn't really as bad as he appears to be to most of us so far this season, I'm not putting much stock in them.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I don't deny that.

But if you are going to give me analytics that say Trent Frederic isn't really as bad as he appears to be to most of us so far this season, I'm not putting much stock in them.

I have not posted a single analytic saying anything about Frederic. You keep posting the -13 though (and again, plus/minus IS an analytic).

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I have not posted a single analytic saying anything about Frederic. You keep posting the -13 though (and again, plus/minus IS an analytic).

And its a good one.

Once again, worst on the team.

 

[StlBigFly]

A problem with +/- is that the penalty for being on the ice when somebody makes an egregious error is the same for them as it is you.

Somebody could have most of their +/- drug down by somebody else - and somebody else could cause 4 dudes to have an awful night. Sprinkle in a little pinball luck and somebody looks amazing or horrible when perhaps they’re playing quite average and simply around others screwing up at a high rate.

In Frederic’s case I think you’d look to his zone clears and entries? Places where turnovers occur? I’d wonder if he’s having more trouble there than the league average. That would maybe be a good place to narrow down the reasons for his struggles.

 

[Dr Hook]

He was a non-factor again tonight.

 

[PlayMakers]

He was a non-factor again tonight.

His line got caved in, 5 shot attempts for, 14 against, 25% at the face-off dot. Their performance is not all on Frederic but not sure Sacco can trot this line out again with those kinds of results.