Player Discussion Trent Frederic II

[DKH]

I don't see the Rags dumping Kreider, but Kakko. I'd do Freddy even up
Kakko - 4G | 10A | +10
Kreider - 10G | 1A | -4

Kaako would be interesting pickup

 

[DKH]

What they really need is Jeff Odgers.

That trade (for Al Iafrete) was when I knew it was over.

The Bruins as I knew were dead

 

[Over the volcano]

I don't see the Rags dumping Kreider, but Kakko. I'd do Freddy even up
Kakko - 4G | 10A | +10
Kreider - 10G | 1A | -4

At even Strength
Kakko 3g 9a 12pts
Kreider 4g 1a 5pts

Think it would depend on NYR deciding they want to pay Frederic what he's asking on his next deal. Can't think they'd be interested in him as a rental.

 

[Hookslide]

If Bruins dont plan on extending Freddy i would trade him for Kakko. He still has lots of untapped potential. Only 23yo and RFA.

Nope

 

[Hookslide]

Chara speaks 6 languages- 5 more then Seeeney and played for 5 teams

Chara would be a phenomenal GM based on his intellect and hockey ability

Bergy could be President and look handsome and bring class back to Organization

I’m ready for it

Plus like Yzerman in Detroit no one would dare criticize these two and we would all be on same side

Let’s go Jacobs - do it

They criticize Neely.

 

[NDiesel]

Crazy how far opinions can sway year by year on Frederic. I’ve gone from telling everyone to cool their jets and overestimating his value to now defending his value in a matter of 3-4 months lol

I hear ya dude, I don't even know what side I'm on anymore

 

[DominicT]

July 2023 vs now

 

[Dr Hook]

Crazy how far opinions can sway year by year on Frederic. I’ve gone from telling everyone to cool their jets and overestimating his value to now defending his value in a matter of 3-4 months lol

Right there with you but going the other direction. I have been a fan of his the past few seasons, and thought he was on his way to being a really good player for the team. Now, not so much. There is still time for our minds to change again, though

 

[CellyHard]

I think the Bruins are going to regret trading Frederic, if they chose to do so. I think he is an important part of the identity of the team. He has improved every year up to this season and then all of a sudden his play (with the rest of the team) dropped significantly under Montgomery. I think he's played much better under Sacco.

I feel like a lot of people (myself included) were hoping he was going to take another step and cement himself as a top six power-forward but I think we found out quickly, he is simply a 3rd liner. I understand there is an argument to be made about his inconsistencies but that is exactly why he is a 3rd liner and why many players end up in those types of roles...they don't have that high end skill level to rely on when the going gets tough. Guys like Frederic have to grind it out time and time again.

At the end of the day, I hope they resign him and I actually think it's the perfect time to get him on a better contract versus overpaying during his best season (likely last year). If he is looking for 4 million plus then I will join the rest of you but I think a 3.5 on a longish type of contract (say 5 years) is a very fair contract for someone who is likely going to get 30ish points, can play any position, stick up for teammates, etc.

Dakota Joshua got 3.25 x 4 and Trenin got 3.5 x 4 (who have both underperformed since signing) are also staring every other GM in the league who wish to go big on Freddy. I think if you can get him at a similar number with an extra year or two, I'm in. Goodrow 3.6 x 6 is the absolute ceiling IMO.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think the Bruins are going to regret trading Frederic, if they chose to do so. I think he is an important part of the identity of the team. He has improved every year up to this season and then all of a sudden his play (with the rest of the team) dropped significantly under Montgomery. I think he's played much better under Sacco.

I feel like a lot of people (myself included) were hoping he was going to take another step and cement himself as a top six power-forward but I think we found out quickly, he is simply a 3rd liner. I understand there is an argument to be made about his inconsistencies but that is exactly why he is a 3rd liner and why many players end up in those types of roles...they don't have that high end skill level to rely on when the going gets tough. Guys like Frederic have to grind it out time and time again.

At the end of the day, I hope they resign him and I actually think it's the perfect time to get him on a better contract versus overpaying during his best season (likely last year). If he is looking for 4 million plus then I will join the rest of you but I think a 3.5 on a longish type of contract (say 5 years) is a very fair contract for someone who is likely going to get 30ish points, can play any position, stick up for teammates, etc.

Dakota Joshua got 3.25 x 4 and Trenin got 3.5 x 4 (who have both underperformed since signing) are also staring every other GM in the league who wish to go big on Freddy. I think if you can get him at a similar number with an extra year or two, I'm in. Goodrow 3.6 x 6 is the absolute ceiling IMO.

Nick Paul is another example - just got over 40 points for the first time at age 28. 7 years, $3.15. Give on the term, get a bit on the number.

I’m not sure Frederic wants this kind of thing though.

 

[BruinsJoe]

July 2023 vs now

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3x3.5mil

 

[PlayMakers]

I think he's looking for $4-5m. I think he'll point to Lawson Crouse and Mason Marchment as comps.

I punt.

 

[JAD]

I consolidate all the Canadian teams into 3 teams

Montreal
Toronto
Vancouver

No way Calgary, Ottawa, Edmonton, and I think that’s there is another (7 right? They can’t be any good if I can’t remember who they are) should have teams in small markets

We need to keep at 32 so if we see adding Houston, Phoenix, Hamilton, Atlanta in US we need to take away 4

But, ... Bettman's not happy with only 32, or 34, or 36. There is not enough parity in the league yet. Need to keep watering down the talent league wide so that every team still has a chance to qualify for the playoffs in April.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think he's looking for $4-5m. I think he'll point to Lawson Crouse and Mason Marchment as comps.

I punt.

I don’t think $4 is crazy with the cap inflation coming - put that against his other comps. Doesn’t mean you have to pay it but $4M now is like $3M a couple years ago. Going to be a lot of worse players who get that number going forward.

 

[DiggityDog]

Frederic is an interesting case given his career trajectory. I don’t think a contract between 3.5-4.2 is completely unreasonable for what he gave you last year.

I would also like to say a good portion of us felt he was an important piece following his performance last year.

In the end it depends on what he wants, if his ask is beyond where they feel comfortable than they should look at a potential deal. I just think he shouldn’t be written off so quickly due to his this years start.

 

[DominicT]

I don’t think $4 is crazy with the cap inflation coming - put that against his other comps. Doesn’t mean you have to pay it but $4M now is like $3M a couple years ago. Going to be a lot of worse players who get that number going forward.

And for me, part of the reason there is a "delay".

Are we going to see the regular 5% increase to 92 million or will they negotiate a higher cap increase in the 95 to 97 million range that is being reported?

Can't blame players for waiting.

 

[DKH]

Frederic is an interesting case given his career trajectory. I don’t think a contract between 3.5-4.2 is completely unreasonable for what he gave you last year.

I would also like to say a good portion of us felt he was an important piece following his performance last year.

In the end it depends on what he wants, if his ask is beyond where they feel comfortable than they should look at a potential deal. I just think he shouldn’t be written off so quickly due to his this years start.

I’m here on entire post. You summarize exactly his I feel~ like him but he’s a 3rd liner at this point.

If I offered 4X4 and he passed I would be trying to find the Jeannot deal. This is a below average draft from what I been reading so it’s possible.

 

[LSCII]

July 2023 vs now

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Who are the people who want to give him a hefty raise? I don’t get that at all. Some kind of bump, sure. Multiple millions? GTFO…

 

[BruinDust]

Another phantom-like road game for old Trent. His first shift alone he touched the puck 3 times and immediately turned it over 3 times. A couple of late inconsequential hits in the 1st and then a whole lot of nothing. Hasn't been a very good trip for him. This season he's looking like a home game warrior who turns into a ghost on the road.

 

[LSCII]

I don’t think $4 is crazy with the cap inflation coming - put that against his other comps. Doesn’t mean you have to pay it but $4M now is like $3M a couple years ago. Going to be a lot of worse players who get that number going forward.

Ah yes, the old “he’s overpaid but there are worse players making more” excuse for a bad deal. Solid way to run your team. Or not. Yeah, not.

 

[Number8]

Gonna trade his rights for a 7th two days before free agency starts.

And that is just total bullshit if you ask me.

I miss the late 80's when you could flip a guy for a 12th rounder.

No chance in hell I move a first round pick to add Kreider to this roster. That’s throwing good money after bad.

Keep the pick and let a new GM make it.

If we move a first rounder I'm going to be pissed unless we get God himself playing Center.

By the way, I've seen him skate without his robes on. Blissful elegance - sneaky little wrist shot too.

 

[bme44]

Freddy is a cipher - people seem to project whatever they want on him. Some want him to fight Olivier and Xhekaj every game. Even when you show who he has fought prior to this year it’s not enough. Some want him to produce 50 points on the third line with little PP time. Some want him running around without being productive like Kastelic. It’s kind of bizarre.

I’ve defended him the last several years when every line he played on was more effective with him than without him. He played like ass to begin the season. He’s a complementary player who is going to go as the team goes. Hes been better the last couple of weeks, but not up to how he played the last couple of years. Why people are completely giving up on him, other than the couple with irrational hatred of him, is beyond me.

You can not forget the fact he is a UFA at season end. Is he a player you think the Bruins should invest in long term? We know this is a matter of at what cost. From what I see he is a player that should be moved this season , if there is an expectable return available

 

[Number8]

That trade (for Al Iafrete) was when I knew it was over.

The Bruins as I knew were dead

I love you @DKH but if you slag off The Planet again, you and I will have to meet in the parking lot and throw down.

Big Al -- for oh so many reasons -- is off of the table. Last warning.

 

[BruinDust]

1 assist in his past 15 road games. Yikes!

 

[Over the volcano]

1 assist in his past 15 road games. Yikes!

That's one more than Coyle has on the year. Why do you think his thread isn't as active with hair splitting stats?