Player Discussion Trent Frederic II

[NDiesel]

Freddy was 3rd and 5th for all forwards in +/- the last two years and not once did i see someone use that stat to say he is a good defensive player. Why all of a sudden is it now an important stat for Freddy

 

[LSCII]

You can't even tell who agrees with you

Glancing at something on your phone isn’t your friend…LOFL

But while we’re at it, he also gets potoi, does that mean he’s productive?

 

[Over the volcano]

Freddy was 3rd and 5th for all forwards in +/- the last two years and not once did i see someone use that stat to say he is a good defensive player. Why all of a sudden is it now an important stat for Freddy

Shhhhhh

 

[Healthy Wrap]

Imagine being so desperate to say something positive about a guy that you’re actually touting his playing second tier minutes on the 25th ranked PK in the league, and thinking that disproved the point that he’s terrible defensively? Even worse is them being 26th in net pk%. Yikes. This does not help your case….


See above. LOFL

Huh? How did you read my post and think I was in any way arguing that his sparse PK usage was a good thing? I was agreeing with you…

 

[NDiesel]

Huh? How did you read my post and think I was in any way arguing that his sparse PK usage was a good thing? I was agreeing with you…

He just sees red when he enters the Freddy thread

 

[Over the volcano]

Glancing at something on your phone isn’t your friend…LOFL

But while we’re at it, he also gets potoi, does that mean he’s productive?

He's third among their forwards on PP production per minute. But I was told it doesn't count because their power play isn't very good.

 

[GordonHowe]

Sure it's old news by now,

Traded: Elliotte Friedman Just Dropped A Big Report On A Trade Coming For the Bruins

The Boston Bruins will have to face multiple suitors for gritty forward Trent Frederic this trade deadline. NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman has reported for the second time this month that interest in Frederic is rising.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Freddy was 3rd and 5th for all forwards in +/- the last two years and not once did i see someone use that stat to say he is a good defensive player. Why all of a sudden is it now an important stat for Freddy

Because it's the worst on the team.

 

[NDiesel]

Because it's the worst on the team.

So it didn't matter when he wasn't the worst?

Does it matter that Pasta and Carlo were the top 2 last season? Does that say anything about their defensive games?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

So it didn't matter when he wasn't the worst?

Does it matter that Pasta and Carlo were the top 2 last season? Does that say anything about their defensive games?

You don’t know why being first worst is more noteworthy than being third or fifth best?

 

[NDiesel]

You don’t know why being first worst is more noteworthy than being third or fifth best?

Obviously. Doing it over two almost 82 game sample vs half a season is also a difference too.

I think plus/minus isn't really an individual stat in the first place. When the team was good Freddy and everyone was positive. When they aren't that good more than half of the team is negative.

I'm confused what any of that really has to do with Freddy's defensive play.

 

[Gee Wally]

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Fred’s obviously the better player, but to me, the argument (and the ensuing stances of the “sides”) feels similar to the Nick Ritchie conversations (in which, to my surprise, there were a good number of posters interested in retaining a player I wanted no part of). You’ve got a player that has the ability to post some points but who rarely seems to be operating at their full potential. A physical force in spurts, but fairly absent physically otherwise. Can fill in and not look out of place at times further up the lineup, but who doesn’t garner the trust as a performer (in my eyes, as a fan) to commit a spot on the team to him long-term.

Ritchie, fellow first rounder, peaked at 31 points in 2018-2019 at 23 years old and bowed out of the league at 27 years old. Seems odd given his ability on which he was drafted, and his ability to be all-around player that can produce. The problem? Huge swings in effort and frequent near total ineffectiveness.

I think a similar arc is a worst case scenario for Fred. He will probably earn a long-term contract at some decent coin (somewhere), but I see the chance of a letdown type player as he enters his prime. He’s just not worth the risk to me. I’d rather not spend the cash and take a risk on others.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Fred’s obviously the better player, but to me, the argument (and the ensuing stances of the “sides”) feels similar to the Nick Ritchie conversations (in which, to my surprise, there were a good number of posters interested in retaining a player I wanted no part of). You’ve got a player that has the ability to post some points but who rarely seems to be operating at their full potential. A physical force in spurts, but fairly absent physically otherwise. Can fill in and not look out of place at times further up the lineup, but who doesn’t garner the trust as a performer (in my eyes, as a fan) to commit a spot on the team to him long-term.

Ritchie, fellow first rounder, peaked at 31 points in 2018-2019 at 23 years old and bowed out of the league at 27 years old. Seems odd given his ability on which he was drafted, and his ability to be all-around player that can produce. The problem? Huge swings in effort and frequent near total ineffectiveness.

I think a similar arc is a worst case scenario for Fred. He will probably earn a long-term contract at some decent coin (somewhere), but I see the chance of a letdown type player as he enters his prime. He’s just not worth the risk to me. I’d rather not spend the cash and take a risk on others.

Easy call. Especially when considering part of the appeal of Frederic was the promise of physicality, which realistically is lacking/ nonexistent. Is Koepke in Frederic’s spot even a downgrade?

 

[NDiesel]

Fred’s obviously the better player, but to me, the argument (and the ensuing stances of the “sides”) feels similar to the Nick Ritchie conversations (in which, to my surprise, there were a good number of posters interested in retaining a player I wanted no part of). You’ve got a player that has the ability to post some points but who rarely seems to be operating at their full potential. A physical force in spurts, but fairly absent physically otherwise. Can fill in and not look out of place at times further up the lineup, but who doesn’t garner the trust as a performer (in my eyes, as a fan) to commit a spot on the team to him long-term.

Ritchie, fellow first rounder, peaked at 31 points in 2018-2019 at 23 years old and bowed out of the league at 27 years old. Seems odd given his ability on which he was drafted, and his ability to be all-around player that can produce. The problem? Huge swings in effort and frequent near total ineffectiveness.

I think a similar arc is a worst case scenario for Fred. He will probably earn a long-term contract at some decent coin (somewhere), but I see the chance of a letdown type player as he enters his prime. He’s just not worth the risk to me. I’d rather not spend the cash and take a risk on others.

I think he's a bit better all around than Ritchie but I get your point. Was always a a stretch where you would think Ritchie could be a really good power forward and then he'd go back to floating around doing nothing. Seemed more out of shape than lack of effort to me though.

 

[Blowfish]

I think he's a bit better all around than Ritchie but I get your point. Was always a a stretch where you would think Ritchie could be a really good power forward and then he'd go back to floating around doing nothing. Seemed more out of shape than lack of effort to me though.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I think he's a bit better all around than Ritchie but I get your point. Was always a a stretch where you would think Ritchie could be a really good power forward and then he'd go back to floating around doing nothing. Seemed more out of shape than lack of effort to me though.

Being out of shape and a lack of effort are almost identical phenomena to me relative to those who play sports professionally.

 

[Blowfish]

Being out of shape and a lack of effort are almost identical phenomena to me relative to those who play sports professionally.

Unless your Kessel. We could use him?

 

[Over the volcano]

Unless your Kessel. We could use him?

He'll play for hot dogs and you know JJs an expert in turning a profit off of hot dogs

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

So it didn't matter when he wasn't the worst?

Does it matter that Pasta and Carlo were the top 2 last season? Does that say anything about their defensive games?

It's not a measure of defensive play. It's a measure of overall play. Pasta had a great year last season. But it was because he put up 110 points that he had a high plus/minus. Carlo's more because of his defensive play.

Having the worst plus/minus on this team simply says Freddy is having a bad season. When it wasn't the worst, it was because he was playing better. Pretty easy to figure, no?

 

[EverettMike]

"I've had enough of the Trent Frederic experience."

---me on 10/24/24

Still true.

 

[Over the volcano]

"I've had enough of the Trent Frederic experience."

---me on 10/24/24

Still true.

Apparently you haven't.

 

[Sheppy]

Apparently you haven't.

Honest question.

Are you related to him? You seem to swoop in to defend him on a constant basis.

 

[Over the volcano]

Honest question.

Are you related to him? You seem to swoop in to defend him on a constant basis.

Honest answer, nope.

Honest question. What was their best line this afternoon?

 

[Sheppy]

Honest answer, nope.

Honest question. What was their best line this afternoon?

Judging by the box score, probably theirs?

Odd flex. It's amazing what he can do with two terrible wingers who have actually produced points in the last 11 games.

Hell, get Frederic to center Pastrnak, he might score 70.