Treliving likely to buy out Murray.

[ToneDog]

The price to move 6M cash is a 1st round pick (as seen with Marleau and others) but that's only IF you find a team with cap space and an owner that is willing to do it.

So in the end even if you're willing to give up a first round pick that's not easy.

I was told it was less than a 3rd and 7th because that is what Kyle accepted for two years of Murray.

 

[MagicalRazor]

What do you value more 2M next season or our 1st round pick in 2024 Which will probably be late 20s ( Hopefully 32 ) lol

 

[All Mod Cons]

What a monumetally stupid trade by the previous mamagement.

 

[Squiffy]

What do you value more 2M next season or our 1st round pick in 2024 Which will probably be late 20s ( Hopefully 32 ) lol

Ya, that might be the question.

 

[rojac]

Yeah its bad. $2M dead cap for this team when these players are expecting raises, can't have it.

It probably means that one of Domi, Klingberg, or Bertuzxi will need to be replaced by someone around the minimum.

 

[Divine]

I wouldn't mind carrying Murray, give him a chance. Did anyone predict for Bobrovsky to come back from the dead and single-handedly carry Florida to the finals before the season?

When Matt Murray is good (Dallas game) he's really good. He hasn't been consistently good and I wonder how much of that is he can't stay healthy and has a mental hurdle every time he plays that if he pushes too hard, he'll injure himself again.

Maybe a slight stretch of health is all he needs to re-find his game. Why not give him that opportunity? Besides, an injured Matt Murray counts nothing against the cap - so why pay off assets or cap space to trade him/buy him out?

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

I wouldn't mind carrying Murray, give him a chance. Did anyone predict for Bobrovsky to come back from the dead and single-handedly carry Florida to the finals before the season?

When Matt Murray is good (Dallas game) he's really good. He hasn't been consistently good and I wonder how much of that is he can't stay healthy and has a mental hurdle every time he plays that if he pushes too hard, he'll injure himself again.

Maybe a slight stretch of health is all he needs to re-find his game. Why not give him that opportunity? Besides, an injured Matt Murray counts nothing against the cap - so why pay off assets or cap space to trade him/buy him out?

Ok so who are you moving out to fit him under the cap? And who's going to backup Woll when Murray inevitably gets hurt since it'll be impossible to keep Samsonov in this scenario?

 

[MJ65]

Buy him out - just dump him

 

[Leaf Fans]

I was told it was less than a 3rd and 7th because that is what Kyle accepted for two years of Murray.

they might send a prospect with him, if the Leafs decide to trade him.

 

[Shooter2x]

Dubas will be a good behind the scenes guy as he's business savvy and good at all the business class stuff such as organization and employee structure, but damn he sucks at evaluating hockey. If he's hiring the GM you are most likely fine, but if he's the GM himself....run.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

gClearly, Dubas wanted Murray more than Ottawa wanted to get rid of him. And do we know for sure, there were not other teams trying to get him?

As for the Robidas Island nonsense, if Murray is not injured enough to be on LTIR and wants to play, why would he agree. He might prefer the $5.3M buyout and the chance to sign somewhere for less money. Is that $2M cap hit in 2024-25 really worth cheating to avoid?

Given Murray's recent track record over the past 3 seasons, I don't know if another team would take on the head aches of Murray.
"Ooops, can't play tonight, have a hangnail."

Maybe offer him to Doobass, with a 5th. He has a chubby all the time for former Soo players

 

[sittler rules!!!]

I wouldn't mind carrying Murray, give him a chance. Did anyone predict for Bobrovsky to come back from the dead and single-handedly carry Florida to the finals before the season?

When Matt Murray is good (Dallas game) he's really good. He hasn't been consistently good and I wonder how much of that is he can't stay healthy and has a mental hurdle every time he plays that if he pushes too hard, he'll injure himself again.

Maybe a slight stretch of health is all he needs to re-find his game. Why not give him that opportunity? Besides, an injured Matt Murray counts nothing against the cap - so why pay off assets or cap space to trade him/buy him out?

 

[sittler rules!!!]

What about keeping Murray as the back up and letting Sammy walk. Would that work cap wise?
Woll, I believe is ready to take on the workload. Murray, might be the ideal veteran to mentor Woll.

Murray "when healthy" is pretty unflappable, calm and steady. Woll plays the bulk of games, Murray spot starts only.

Also, run some of your other goalies in the system with starts, to lessen the load more on Murray.

Just a thought. I really believe Woll is the future goalie and the future is now.

 

[Mentat]

Buy him out - just dump him

2M in dead cap in the 2024/25 season will hurt us.
As much as i don´t want to trade (more) picks, i´d rather do that while we are in our (theoretical) Cup run window instead of having a not insignificant amount of dead cap. Maybe another player can be traded alongside Murray to sweeten the deal and perhaps even recuperate some picks in the process.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Why though? Can't be be LTIR'd like Muzzin, etc ? If he's healthy, why not try the tandem again? I still have PTSD from watching Kessel's butout hit against the cap for what seemed like 10 years.

 

[Gaberd2608]

I think they will give him the Robisas treatment. He hasnt been healthy for more than a few game stretch in years. Just let him play lots during pre season and he should be able to find a way to get himself injured.

 

[NMacrules]

Oh boy, you must be fun at parties. Yes, Schenn is gone, it was an example of the player/tier we'll get.

Agree $3mill is a bit too much, but I was replying to a poster who said $4mill raise for Matthews and Nylander. which is a bit on the lower end.

Hence why we'll have 3 maybe 3.5 available for the Schenn type of acquisition.

Why would you start your note with a shot against the other poster who called you out? I don't believe for a second that you were thinking of that "tier" of another player similar to Schenn. I just think you missed the Schenn signing and are trying to cover it up.

And there is no way in telling what Marner will get. He still has 2 seasons to play first and the cap is reported to go up substantially.

 

[NMacrules]

The league is projecting the cap will increase by $4.5 million next year. Treliving may be approaching it that he is going to allot $2 million of that to a Murray buyout and have $2.5 million leftover to use elsewhere (which will be consumed by the increases to Matthews and Nylander).

Ideally though you try and get creative and find a taker. So long as a high pick isn't attached to it.

People keep saying that. Can you provide a link from the league saying it will go to 4.5 next year?

 

[pcruz]

No, they won't, there is Marner (3M) raise coming and you need some money for your 2 C- even assuming we'll have JT @ 5M we have 3M left for Schenn.

Umm


Tavares and Marner are already under contract next year, not just this coming season.

In no way can a Murray buy-out have any direct impact on their deals.

 

[Mess]

With our cap situation, 2 million in dead cap space is quite significant when trying to build a championship roster.

Agreed.

The 2024-25 Cup is expected to go up by $4 mil. .

BUT
Matthews and Nylander both seeking raises to cut into that amount.
Samsonov Leafs #1 goalie might get a 1 year award taking him to free agency at that time needing a new contract.
New players Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg all on 1 year deals waiting for cap increase to re-sign.
&
Leafs potentially have to eat a $2 mil buyout for the incompetence of the previous GM, when almost everyone knew before it happened that Murray was a bad idea.

 

[Arzak]

Why would you start your note with a shot against the other poster who called you out? I don't believe for a second that you were thinking of that "tier" of another player similar to Schenn. I just think you missed the Schenn signing and are trying to cover it up.

And there is no way in telling what Marner will get. He still has 2 seasons to play first and the cap is reported to go up substantially.

Ok thank you for sharing your feelings, but since I've discussed Schenns departure/signing in other threads what you believe in has no basis in reality.

All in your head

I have no problem admitting I've made a mistake. Which is probably a foreign concept for some.

I mean half of your post consists of unfounded beLief about what I said and was thinking at the time and the other is your reaction to what you just concocted

 

[Menzinger]

People keep saying that. Can you provide a link from the league saying it will go to 4.5 next year?

NHL salary cap increased to $83.5 million for 2023-24 season | NHL.com

Could rise by approximately $4 million for 2024-25

www.nhl.com

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

Trade him to Pittsburgh

 

[13pacheco31]

Yeah its bad. $2M dead cap for this team when these players are expecting raises, can't have it.

I'd rather retain 2mil to a team this year and be done with it next summer

 

[rojac]

Agreed.

The 2024-25 Cup is expected to go up by $4 mil. .

BUT
Matthews and Nylander both seeking raises to cut into that amount.
Samsonov Leafs #1 goalie might get a 1 year award taking him to free agency at that time needing a new contract.
New players Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg all on 1 year deals waiting for cap increase to re-sign.
&
Leafs potentially have to eat a $2 mil buyout for the incompetence of the previous GM, when almost everyone knew before it happened that Murray was a bad idea.

Yes. Murray was a gamble that didn’t pay off and they may have to take a $2M cap to get rid of him. Teams have to deal with things like this all the time.

To be honest, I assume Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg to be one year Leaf’s, just the current batch to support the core. They may be a little better quality than some years, but the Leafs had a little more cap room this year. If they have to take a $2M cap hit for Murray, then they’ll have less for the next batch which may or may not include any of those three. That is assuming the team doesn’t move on from the core, which I personally don’t think they’ll do, but I could be wrong.