Rumor: Travis Konecny looking for ~10M/Y on a long term deal

[blackjackmulligan]

Is somebody that scores 41 goals in 82 games a better goal scorer than somebody that scores 40 goals in 40 games? Or are they a worse, but healthier player?

Do you want to answer the question?

 

[BayStBullies]

I'm also looking for $10m per year longterm

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Is somebody that scores 41 goals in 82 games a better goal scorer than somebody that scores 40 goals in 40 games? Or are they a worse, but healthier player?

Showing up matters too.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Showing up matters too.

Definitely, but hockey is a fast and physical game with a hard rubber item flying around at 90+ mph. Injuries are going to happen.

Konecny doesn't need to value himself like he's going to miss 20 games a year just because it happened once.

 

[Boxscore]

Unfortunately, the Flyers are going to overpay Konecny in both term and salary. This is also the reason they will not pick top-5 again or be able to overpay for true elite talent when/if it becomes available.

 

[biturbo19]

He's not Guentzel...but i don't know that he's far enough off to think it's that laughable as an opening ask. Not with the cap expected to continue rising into the stratosphere. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if there were teams out there (and competitive ones included) that'd give him the Guentzel deal in a heartbeat.


I think it's probably a mistake. But then, probably so was the Guentzel deal, other than trying to load up for a few more runs with the gang in Tampa and who cares what happens after. But with Konecny, i'd just be particularly worried about how he's going to hold up long-term physically. The rambunctious way he plays, you love it...but he's still never been a big guy and that kind of game really takes a toll on players, particularly when they're smaller. The way Gallagher just clomps around these days as a battered and broken, feisty and very small stature, but extensive collection of injuries incarnate...would be hard to shake from my mind.

 

[Boxscore]

He's not Guentzel...but i don't know that he's far enough off to think it's that laughable as an opening ask. Not with the cap expected to continue rising into the stratosphere. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if there were teams out there (and competitive ones included) that'd give him the Guentzel deal in a heartbeat.


I think it's probably a mistake. But then, probably so was the Guentzel deal, other than trying to load up for a few more runs with the gang in Tampa and who cares what happens after. But with Konecny, i'd just be particularly worried about how he's going to hold up long-term physically. The rambunctious way he plays, you love it...but he's still never been a big guy and that kind of game really takes a toll on players, particularly when they're smaller. The way Gallagher just clomps around these days as a battered and broken, feisty and very small stature, but extensive collection of injuries incarnate...would be hard to shake from my mind.

Exactly. Konecny is a very nice player. But the Flyers trajectory and asset-building initiative need to be timed perfectly, and this is where a potential Konency deal becomes problematic.

Firstly, outside of Michkov (and perhaps Tippett if I'm being generous) the Flyers don't have any world-class, franchise-changing pieces. At the very least they need one more elite piece. But if they want to be a legit contender long-term they need at least two.

Tampa has/had Kucherov, Hedman, Stamkos, Point and Vasilevskiy.

Florida has Barkov, Tkachuk, Reinhart and Bobrovsky.

Pittsburgh has/had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Kessel, Staal, and Fleury.

Chicago had Kane, Toews, and Keith (plus insane depth).

Colorado had/has MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen and Landeskog.

The Kings had Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick.

The Capitals had Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, and Holtby (plus good depth).

The Flyers biggest problem since the cap era began is their penchant for overpaying for very good players in both cap hit and term. And their decision-making when it comes to timing is borderline grotesque.

Committing long-term to Couturier knowing he gets dinged up and his contract will be a detriment for the final 4-5 years was foolish. Overpaying for Kevin Hayes on the open market was foolish. Committing 8-years to Travis Konency (who is going to be 28 this coming season) is foolish... unless that deal comes with a significant hometown discount (like 8 x 7.5). Even then, signing him at all could be foolish.

There are only three ways the Flyers can acquire elite pieces to help Michkov carry the team:

1. Draft them
2. Trade for them
3. Sign them

Committing to Konecny now -- or negotiating with him during the season before possibly trading him at the deadline -- is a huge detriment to option 1 (drafting them). A healthy Konecny will certainly contribute to the Flyers likely winning 4-7 additional games this coming season, which can be an 8-14 point swing in the standings and the difference between picking 2nd overall and 7th overall (or out of the Top-10 like in 2024).

The Flyers already "wasted" their opportunity last season to pick Top-5 in a rebuild by winning meaningless games and crashing at the end. Ironically, a Top-5 talent (and potential #1D in Buium) fell into their lap regardless and they still managed to screw it up by going off the board and reaching for a nice, solid player in Luchanko who projects to be a very nice complimentary player as opposed to a star-level contributor. They simply cannot make the same mistake again and play themselves out of a Top 3-5 pick in a high-quality draft year.

It could be argued that the implications of keeping Konecny on the roster today (along with Laughton, Ristolainen, and Farabee) are amplified due to its timing. Let alone an overpayment to Konency which could set the franchise back 5-10 years.

Moving to option 2, the likelihood of any team (let alone the Flyers who already traded their best chip in Gauthier) trading for an elite superstar is almost nonexistent. So there goes that.

The third way for the Flyers to surround Michkov with elite star power is to secure it on the open market. This option generally comes with an overpayment -- a concession that could be justified if a team is on the cusp of 4 year Cup run and needs one key piece. For this to happen, the Flyers need tons of money in their arsenal. And this will likely be in 2-3 years. But only if the Flyers have at least one more key piece in the system to make a splash.

The Flyers are already committing decent money long-term to Tippett and Sanheim. Drysdale will be up for a raise soon as well as other "good players." In three seasons the Flyers will need to pay Michkov a fortune and with the Hart situation (and Kolosov possibly gone) they still need to acquire and pay a top-tiered goalie if they wish to truly contend.

Unfortunately, they are most likely straddled with Couturier's contract. He is signed long-term, and even if semi-healthy, will likely be on the downswing when the Flyers most need him to play up to his contract. This contract could be a potential roadblock when it comes to overpaying a big fish. Adding another 8.5+ contract in Konecny will make matters even worse and could very well be the difference between the Flyers targeting the best of the best and settling to overpay a "very good piece" when they hit the market.

And ^ this is the pattern the Flyers continually (and willingly) put themselves in. When other teams are paying players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, Doughty, and Kopitar, etc. huge money to win Cups, the Flyers are allocating top dollars to players who are a level below them (Richards, Carter, Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Konecny, etc.)

When will they learn that in a hard-cap league, you can only pay your best money to elite, franchise-changing superstars (not very good ones) and the best way to get them in the first place is by drafting them in the Top-5 of the draft?

By not trading Konency today for assets, Briere is publicly tipping his hand that the Flyers are content with being good-to-very-good during the Michkov era but they are not willing to do what it takes to reach for the stars. So basically, status quo with the way this franchise has operated for decades.

 

[1865]

What do you think matters more, pace or actual points?

I see what you're saying, but it depends. If a player misses 40 games a season habitually then points definitely matter more than pace. When a player has only missed 30 games in 3 years though, i think it's fine to look at pace as a genuine indicator.

In any case, you have to admit it's a little disingenuous to call someone who got 61 points in 60 games a "60 point player".

 

[TheKingPin]

Exactly. Konecny is a very nice player. But the Flyers trajectory and asset-building initiative need to be timed perfectly, and this is where a potential Konency deal becomes problematic.

Firstly, outside of Michkov (and perhaps Tippett if I'm being generous) the Flyers don't have any world-class, franchise-changing pieces. At the very least they need one more elite piece. But if they want to be a legit contender long-term they need at least two.

Tampa has/had Kucherov, Hedman, Stamkos, Point and Vasilevskiy.

Florida has Barkov, Tkachuk, Reinhart and Bobrovsky.

Pittsburgh has/had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Kessel, Staal, and Fleury.

Chicago had Kane, Toews, and Keith (plus insane depth).

Colorado had/has MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen and Landeskog.

The Kings had Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick.

The Capitals had Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, and Holtby (plus good depth).

The Flyers biggest problem since the cap era began is their penchant for overpaying for very good players in both cap hit and term. And their decision-making when it comes to timing is borderline grotesque.

Committing long-term to Couturier knowing he gets dinged up and his contract will be a detriment for the final 4-5 years was foolish. Overpaying for Kevin Hayes on the open market was foolish. Committing 8-years to Travis Konency (who is going to be 28 this coming season) is foolish... unless that deal comes with a significant hometown discount (like 8 x 7.5). Even then, signing him at all could be foolish.

There are only three ways the Flyers can acquire elite pieces to help Michkov carry the team:

1. Draft them
2. Trade for them
3. Sign them

Committing to Konecny now -- or negotiating with him during the season before possibly trading him at the deadline -- is a huge detriment to option 1 (drafting them). A healthy Konecny will certainly contribute to the Flyers likely winning 4-7 additional games this coming season, which can be an 8-14 point swing in the standings and the difference between picking 2nd overall and 7th overall (or out of the Top-10 like in 2024).

The Flyers already "wasted" their opportunity last season to pick Top-5 in a rebuild by winning meaningless games and crashing at the end. Ironically, a Top-5 talent (and potential #1D in Buium) fell into their lap regardless and they still managed to screw it up by going off the board and reaching for a nice, solid player in Luchanko who projects to be a very nice complimentary player as opposed to a star-level contributor. They simply cannot make the same mistake again and play themselves out of a Top 3-5 pick in a high-quality draft year.

It could be argued that the implications of keeping Konecny on the roster today (along with Laughton, Ristolainen, and Farabee) are amplified due to its timing. Let alone an overpayment to Konency which could set the franchise back 5-10 years.

Moving to option 2, the likelihood of any team (let alone the Flyers who already traded their best chip in Gauthier) trading for an elite superstar is almost nonexistent. So there goes that.

The third way for the Flyers to surround Michkov with elite star power is to secure it on the open market. This option generally comes with an overpayment -- a concession that could be justified if a team is on the cusp of 4 year Cup run and needs one key piece. For this to happen, the Flyers need tons of money in their arsenal. And this will likely be in 2-3 years. But only if the Flyers have at least one more key piece in the system to make a splash.

The Flyers are already committing decent money long-term to Tippett and Sanheim. Drysdale will be up for a raise soon as well as other "good players." In three seasons the Flyers will need to pay Michkov a fortune and with the Hart situation (and Kolosov possibly gone) they still need to acquire and pay a top-tiered goalie if they wish to truly contend.

Unfortunately, they are most likely straddled with Couturier's contract. He is signed long-term, and even if semi-healthy, will likely be on the downswing when the Flyers most need him to play up to his contract. This contract could be a potential roadblock when it comes to overpaying a big fish. Adding another 8.5+ contract in Konecny will make matters even worse and could very well be the difference between the Flyers targeting the best of the best and settling to overpay a "very good piece" when they hit the market.

And ^ this is the pattern the Flyers continually (and willingly) put themselves in. When other teams are paying players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, Doughty, and Kopitar, etc. huge money to win Cups, the Flyers are allocating top dollars to players who are a level below them (Richards, Carter, Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Konecny, etc.)

When will they learn that in a hard-cap league, you can only pay your best money to elite, franchise-changing superstars (not very good ones) and the best way to get them in the first place is by drafting them in the Top-5 of the draft?

By not trading Konency today for assets, Briere is publicly tipping his hand that the Flyers are content with being good-to-very-good during the Michkov era but they are not willing to do what it takes to reach for the stars. So basically, status quo with the way this franchise has operated for decades.

To me, it seems like Giroux all over again with Michkov. And we had better players around Giroux at times. Another 10 years of making the playoffs and 1st and 2nd round exits seems like all Comcast wants to be profitable.

For the Flyers, the best option may be to hope they get very lucky with one of the many goalies. If one becomes a superstar it helps their chances a lot.

They 100% should trade Konecny. I see more reasons to keep Laughton over Konecny, but both should go. Laughton and Hathaway should both be traded, but at most keep one. All 3 should have been gone.

 

[1865]

To me, it seems like Giroux all over again with Michkov. And we had better players around Giroux at times. Another 10 years of making the playoffs and 1st and 2nd round exits seems like all Comcast wants to be profitable.

For the Flyers, the best option may be to hope they get very lucky with one of the many goalies. If one becomes a superstar it helps their chances a lot.

They 100% should trade Konecny. I see more reasons to keep Laughton over Konecny, but both should go. Laughton and Hathaway should both be traded, but at most keep one. All 3 should have been gone.

Anyone 27 or over coming into this season should be available, they simply won't be worth much to our rebuild.

 

[StreetHawk]

Konecny makes sense to move off given the contract ask.
Their picks in the first 2 rounds of the 2020's have been:
Foerster, Andrae
Tuomaala (1st for Risto)
Gauthier (Now Drysdale and a 2nd in 2025)
Michkov, Bonk, Bjarnason
Luchanko, Berglund, Gill

Not exactly an arsenal of young talent coming up. They have 2 extra picks in each of the first 2 rounds this upcoming draft, but those picks are going to be in the 22 - 45 range as they have Edm/Col first and CBJ/Ana 2nds. So, still looking at 2-3 years of additional development for those players.

 

[captainpaxil]

Eo he's worth it for someone like Edmonton but not for Philly. We're just too far off from being contenders wearing elite scorer makes a difference

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Philly should get what they can for him and move on; I’d rather them get a meh package back than sign him to a long term deal

 

[StreetHawk]

Philly should get what they can for him and move on; I’d rather them get a meh package back than sign him to a long term deal

Looking at the standard B prospect and 1st round pick at the TDL. Probably best to push that 1st to 2026 as they don't need another in the 22-45 range as they should have 5 picks in that range for 2025 anyways.

You shouldn't sign guys at 28 for 7/8 year term unless you plan competing during that first 5 years of that contract before the player begins to age. Flyers don't really seem to be in that position for the next 2-3 years at least. Kind of the logic why it never made sense to extend Couturier for max term when they did (a year early). Once you ink a guy to that kind of contract, pretty hard to move them. SJ moved Hertl, but retained on him for the final 6 years of his contract. Had to also retain on Karlsson for 4-5 years as well.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Exactly. Konecny is a very nice player. But the Flyers trajectory and asset-building initiative need to be timed perfectly, and this is where a potential Konency deal becomes problematic.

Firstly, outside of Michkov (and perhaps Tippett if I'm being generous) the Flyers don't have any world-class, franchise-changing pieces. At the very least they need one more elite piece. But if they want to be a legit contender long-term they need at least two.

Tampa has/had Kucherov, Hedman, Stamkos, Point and Vasilevskiy.

Florida has Barkov, Tkachuk, Reinhart and Bobrovsky.

Pittsburgh has/had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Kessel, Staal, and Fleury.

Chicago had Kane, Toews, and Keith (plus insane depth).

Colorado had/has MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen and Landeskog.

The Kings had Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick.

The Capitals had Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, and Holtby (plus good depth).

The Flyers biggest problem since the cap era began is their penchant for overpaying for very good players in both cap hit and term. And their decision-making when it comes to timing is borderline grotesque.

Committing long-term to Couturier knowing he gets dinged up and his contract will be a detriment for the final 4-5 years was foolish. Overpaying for Kevin Hayes on the open market was foolish. Committing 8-years to Travis Konency (who is going to be 28 this coming season) is foolish... unless that deal comes with a significant hometown discount (like 8 x 7.5). Even then, signing him at all could be foolish.

There are only three ways the Flyers can acquire elite pieces to help Michkov carry the team:

1. Draft them
2. Trade for them
3. Sign them

Committing to Konecny now -- or negotiating with him during the season before possibly trading him at the deadline -- is a huge detriment to option 1 (drafting them). A healthy Konecny will certainly contribute to the Flyers likely winning 4-7 additional games this coming season, which can be an 8-14 point swing in the standings and the difference between picking 2nd overall and 7th overall (or out of the Top-10 like in 2024).

The Flyers already "wasted" their opportunity last season to pick Top-5 in a rebuild by winning meaningless games and crashing at the end. Ironically, a Top-5 talent (and potential #1D in Buium) fell into their lap regardless and they still managed to screw it up by going off the board and reaching for a nice, solid player in Luchanko who projects to be a very nice complimentary player as opposed to a star-level contributor. They simply cannot make the same mistake again and play themselves out of a Top 3-5 pick in a high-quality draft year.

It could be argued that the implications of keeping Konecny on the roster today (along with Laughton, Ristolainen, and Farabee) are amplified due to its timing. Let alone an overpayment to Konency which could set the franchise back 5-10 years.

Moving to option 2, the likelihood of any team (let alone the Flyers who already traded their best chip in Gauthier) trading for an elite superstar is almost nonexistent. So there goes that.

The third way for the Flyers to surround Michkov with elite star power is to secure it on the open market. This option generally comes with an overpayment -- a concession that could be justified if a team is on the cusp of 4 year Cup run and needs one key piece. For this to happen, the Flyers need tons of money in their arsenal. And this will likely be in 2-3 years. But only if the Flyers have at least one more key piece in the system to make a splash.

The Flyers are already committing decent money long-term to Tippett and Sanheim. Drysdale will be up for a raise soon as well as other "good players." In three seasons the Flyers will need to pay Michkov a fortune and with the Hart situation (and Kolosov possibly gone) they still need to acquire and pay a top-tiered goalie if they wish to truly contend.

Unfortunately, they are most likely straddled with Couturier's contract. He is signed long-term, and even if semi-healthy, will likely be on the downswing when the Flyers most need him to play up to his contract. This contract could be a potential roadblock when it comes to overpaying a big fish. Adding another 8.5+ contract in Konecny will make matters even worse and could very well be the difference between the Flyers targeting the best of the best and settling to overpay a "very good piece" when they hit the market.

And ^ this is the pattern the Flyers continually (and willingly) put themselves in. When other teams are paying players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, Doughty, and Kopitar, etc. huge money to win Cups, the Flyers are allocating top dollars to players who are a level below them (Richards, Carter, Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Konecny, etc.)

When will they learn that in a hard-cap league, you can only pay your best money to elite, franchise-changing superstars (not very good ones) and the best way to get them in the first place is by drafting them in the Top-5 of the draft?

By not trading Konency today for assets, Briere is publicly tipping his hand that the Flyers are content with being good-to-very-good during the Michkov era but they are not willing to do what it takes to reach for the stars. So basically, status quo with the way this franchise has operated for decades.

The problem for the Flyers is, and as you noted in your post about the draft, even if they pick high or get lucky, they're likely to screw up the pick anyway. They can't get out of their own way. They say they're rebuilding and then operate like they only want to retool.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Looking at the standard B prospect and 1st round pick at the TDL. Probably best to push that 1st to 2026 as they don't need another in the 22-45 range as they should have 5 picks in that range for 2025 anyways.

You shouldn't sign guys at 28 for 7/8 year term unless you plan competing during that first 5 years of that contract before the player begins to age. Flyers don't really seem to be in that position for the next 2-3 years at least. Kind of the logic why it never made sense to extend Couturier for max term when they did (a year early). Once you ink a guy to that kind of contract, pretty hard to move them. SJ moved Hertl, but retained on him for the final 6 years of his contract. Had to also retain on Karlsson for 4-5 years as well.

I think to get the most value out of TK in a trade they’ll have to gamble a bit, like look for a young center who has potential but is blocked by better players. If the Avs want to really go for it this year I’d like Calum Ritchie.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think to get the most value out of TK in a trade they’ll have to gamble a bit, like look for a young center who has potential but is blocked by better players. If the Avs want to really go for it this year I’d like Calum Ritchie.

Avs don't have their 1st, philly owns it, but again, for any club, they'd aim for the 2026 just because they have enough picks. But, teams typically don't trade their top prospect in trade for a rental.

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

This was a huge issue in Montreal for the Houle years - guys like Brian Savage and Martin Rucinsky got 1st line contracts because they played on the 1st line, despite being 2nd or 3d liners on most teams.

Brian has you on ignore. This is trolling a board member

 

[pth2]

You shouldn't sign guys at 28 for 7/8 year term unless you plan competing during that first 5 years of that contract before the player begins to age.

This. So much. This should be bolded and made into this site's banner or something. And branded into the forehead of a few GMs, as well.

 

[benedictTavares]

TEN MILLION

 

[Menzinger]

If the cap jumps another 3-5 million as it likely will folks are going to have to adjust their salary expectations for a lot of guys.

Too many still seem stuck mentally as if the cap was stuck in 2020

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

I've always been a big fan of Konecny (despite what I said in the thread about him and sandheim for marner) but hes not a 10 million player even if the cap is forcasted to hit 100 mil lol, Seems like the flyers should go full rebuild imo.

 

[SnS]

I've always been a big fan of Konecny (despite what I said in the thread about him and sandheim for marner) but hes not a 10 million player even if the cap is forcasted to hit 100 mil lol, Seems like the flyers should go full rebuild imo.

Flyers don’t rebuild. Especially with Torts there.

 

[TheKingPin]

Looking at the standard B prospect and 1st round pick at the TDL. Probably best to push that 1st to 2026 as they don't need another in the 22-45 range as they should have 5 picks in that range for 2025 anyways.

You shouldn't sign guys at 28 for 7/8 year term unless you plan competing during that first 5 years of that contract before the player begins to age. Flyers don't really seem to be in that position for the next 2-3 years at least. Kind of the logic why it never made sense to extend Couturier for max term when they did (a year early). Once you ink a guy to that kind of contract, pretty hard to move them. SJ moved Hertl, but retained on him for the final 6 years of his contract. Had to also retain on Karlsson for 4-5 years as well.

It’s pretty obvious. Unless they think they can contend in the next 5 years. But everything they are doing more so says they are going to be building for longer since they have kicked the can on multiple picks to future years and have no elite talent coming after Michkov. Maybe they are banking on top end guys making it to UFA soon but that’s not a great strategy.

Only way I see thag UFA plan having a shot is if they hit at least 2 home runs this year in the 1st round. One with a top end pick and the other with a later pick. Then you have Michkov, Luchanko, Home run 1, and home run 2. If those home runs are a 1C and 1D. Just too much has to go so right

 

[Boxscore]

Philly should get what they can for him and move on; I’d rather them get a meh package back than sign him to a long term deal

I agree. It's not just the "meh package"... it's the 8-9 mil cap space that will become available when they need it most. The thing is, I honestly don't think they'll have to settle for meh. Konecny is a very nice addition for the "right" team. Briere should have spent all summer working with TK on 5-8 teams he'd be willing to extend with if they agree to the numbers, then deal him to the club with the best offer. I'm sure an offer would include a 1st and B prospect. If the 1st is in 25, it gives Briere (3) 1sts and tons of flexibility to add a major piece via the draft or trade.