Player Discussion Travis Hamonic (D)

[Burrowsaurus]

He’s doing everything in his power. Which is great. But need a better guy to play with Sanderson.

 

[PlayOn]

I know we’re winning so Green isn’t tinkering but I wish they’d just throw JBD with Sanderson. He is not cut out for that role either but at least he can sort of pass the puck.

It also feels like a good time to try out Matinpalo on the third pairing for a game or two and see what you have there.

I don’t really get the obsession with living and dying by Hamonic on that first pairing.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Amadio is different to me. His details are really good. He is a smart player. Not putting up a lot of points but I like him on that 3rd line.

Ya I'd agree with that. Even when not producing, he doesn't cost the team quite like Hamonic does at times.

 

[Tuna99]

He's getting cratered almost every time he's on the ice. Advanced stats support that he's essentially been the worst defenseman in the league this year. Multiple times he handcuffs the team by throwing grenades up the boards which often result in sustained pressure by the other team. He is a number 7 D that is dragging down our top pairing, regardless of the recent team results.

Advanced stats supported Patrick bring our #1 Defenceman - it’s a team game

 

[bicboi64]

He's doing an adequate job but we really need a healthy Zub back and Hamonic to be pushed into less than 16 minutes a game for us to have sustained success. He's holding his own, but is still our worst defender on the ice and don't want to break him.

The league's stat trackers are full of shit, he definitely had a few hits and blocked shots against the Canes

 

[darude]

Advanced stats supported Patrick bring our #1 Defenceman - it’s a team game

Is it a team game or is 7-2-1 all because of Hamonic?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Advanced stats supported Patrick bring our #1 Defenceman - it’s a team game

No they didn’t. Just because advanced stats say some one is good does NOT mean they’re saying that that player is “the best”.

It’s like when advanced stats alledgedly said Condra was a super star first line winger. Which they never did.

 

[Ice-Tray]

He’s doing what we need him to do. Anytime you lose a top 4 guy, one of the bottom guys has to fill in as best they can until the top 4 guy is back. That’s all that’s happening here.

The other two pairings are doing well and don’t need to be mixed up.

 

[Micklebot]

Zub has now been out 3 and a half weeks with a fractured foot. Usually, that's a 4-6 week injury, so earliest we should expect him back is the 21st, but more likely we'd see him after the break.

When he does come back, what happens with Hamonic, he's the whipping boy around here, so I'm sure everyone would like to see him out, but Green likes him enough to play him on the top pair over JBD, so that suggests JBD will be the odd man out,

However, JBD and Kleven have been playing really well together, but in pretty sheltered mins. I suspect Hammer will take the last spot, but who knows...

 

[BondraTime]

Zub has now been out 3 and a half weeks with a fractured foot. Usually, that's a 4-6 week injury, so earliest we should expect him back is the 21st, but more likely we'd see him after the break.

When he does come back, what happens with Hamonic, he's the whipping boy around here, so I'm sure everyone would like to see him out, but Green likes him enough to play him on the top pair over JBD, so that suggests JBD will be the odd man out,

However, JBD and Kleven have been playing really well together, but in pretty sheltered mins. I suspect Hammer will take the last spot, but who knows...

Hammer will undoubtedly take the 3rd pair role, and the 3rd pair will get markedly worse.

 

[TheNewEra]

Zub has now been out 3 and a half weeks with a fractured foot. Usually, that's a 4-6 week injury, so earliest we should expect him back is the 21st, but more likely we'd see him after the break.

When he does come back, what happens with Hamonic, he's the whipping boy around here, so I'm sure everyone would like to see him out, but Green likes him enough to play him on the top pair over JBD, so that suggests JBD will be the odd man out,

However, JBD and Kleven have been playing really well together, but in pretty sheltered mins. I suspect Hammer will take the last spot, but who knows...

im fully expecting JBD to sit and i would disagree with the move

that being said since we are actually winning i will give green some wiggle room. A lot easier to deal with decisions when the team is winning

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Other than experience, there's nothing to justify Hamonic taking JBD's spot when Zub comes back in. Kleven-JBD are one of the best 3rd pairings in the league right now.

 

[Micklebot]

Other than experience, there's nothing to justify Hamonic taking JBD's spot when Zub comes back in. Kleven-JBD are one of the best 3rd pairings in the league right now.

They are also one of the most sheltered.

Don't get me wrong, they are doing great in the mins they're given, but Green is making sure they aren't given more than they can chew.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Zub has now been out 3 and a half weeks with a fractured foot. Usually, that's a 4-6 week injury, so earliest we should expect him back is the 21st, but more likely we'd see him after the break.

When he does come back, what happens with Hamonic, he's the whipping boy around here, so I'm sure everyone would like to see him out, but Green likes him enough to play him on the top pair over JBD, so that suggests JBD will be the odd man out,

However, JBD and Kleven have been playing really well together, but in pretty sheltered mins. I suspect Hammer will take the last spot, but who knows...

Zub should use Ovechkin’s doctors

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

They are also one of the most sheltered.

Don't get me wrong, they are doing great in the mins they're given, but Green is making sure they aren't given more than they can chew.

Just out of interest

Home and Away 5v5 min 100 minutes
Kleven Hamonic TOI 105 xGF% 46.41 HDCA/60 6.82 GF% 33.33
Kleven JBDocker TOI 215 xGF% 46.05 HDCA/60 7.25 GF% 64.29

Home > 50 minutes
Kleven Hamonic TOI 057 xGF% 46.25 HDCA/60 7.26 GF% 20
Kleven JBDocker TOI 124 xGF% 38.68 HDCA/60 7.75 GF% 55.56

Away > 40 minutes
Kleven Hamonic TOI 48 xGF% 46.63 HDCA/60 6.28 GF% 100
Kleven JBDocker TOI 91 xGF% 54.97 HDCA/60 6.57 GF% 80

Not sure how to rank 3rd pairs. By xGF% Hamonic Kleven Away is better than Josi and Carrier for example so not sure I go by that alone. Maybe Gil has a model he'd like to share with Green when he pulls JBD out when Zub comes back.

 

[bicboi64]

Maybe Hamonic will look better in sheltered minutes. I still see teams skating and moving the puck towards him, and him being serviceable isn't going to last for 82 games.

Was nice to see him actually get the puck on net last night, thought that was one of his better aspects last season

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Maybe Hamonic will look better in sheltered minutes. I still see teams skating and moving the puck towards him, and him being serviceable isn't going to last for 82 games.

Was nice to see him actually get the puck on net last night, thought that was one of his better aspects last season

Probably can graph how good he looks vs minutes played .. where would the pinnacle be .. the optimum looking good / toi

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Maybe Hamonic will look better in sheltered minutes. I still see teams skating and moving the puck towards him, and him being serviceable isn't going to last for 82 games.

Was nice to see him actually get the puck on net last night, thought that was one of his better aspects last season

He and kleven looked absolutely terrrible together in sheltered minutes

 

[Micklebot]

He and kleven looked absolutely terrrible together in sheltered minutes

Did they?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Did they?

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I don’t remember them starting very good. Kleven was scrambling. The numbers are what they are. I don’t remember watching that but if I’m wrong I’m wrong.

 

[Micklebot]

I don’t remember them starting very good. Kleven was scrambling. The numbers are what they are. I don’t remember watching that but if I’m wrong I’m wrong.

Well, goaltending wasn't great when they were together, so that might colour memories a bit.

Kleven actually started the year great, if I remember correctly, and started struggling a little later (probably in their second stint when Zub came back). I distinctly remember being pretty happy with Hamonic early on (expectations not being high).

It's also not a huge sample, 100 mins is likely less than 0 games of being paired together, I know it says 21 games, but a lot of that is probably games where they got shuffled and spend a few shifts together.

I'll be honest, I was surprised at how well they ranked as a tandem over on moneypuck,


Anyways, clearly Hamonic doesn't belong on the top pair with Sanderson, we can all agree on that. I personally would prefer JBD on the 3rd pair, but I don't think either option is a big deal. Hamonic has looked much better this year imo, even when thrown into a role that is completely unfair due to Zub's injury.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think Hamonic vs. JBD moves the needle much, if at all. Fine with either in that role but would like to see both kept fresh and rotated in. I think Hammer makes better decisions that sometimes don't work out from lack of ability, but JBD is more capable in some way with less savvy decision making, and it basically balances out in the end. Coaches seem to always prefer the former, so i'll bet on Hammer staying in the lineup, at least to start.

 

[PlayOn]

Kleven and Hamonic were bad to start the season from what I remember, but when Zub came back and they got paired together again they were totally fine.

I think we were all kind of expecting Kleven to regress again but he didn’t. That’s how I remember it anyway.

 

[Micklebot]

Kleven and Hamonic were bad to start the season from what I remember, but when Zub came back and they got paired together again they were totally fine.

I think we were all kind of expecting Kleven to regress again but he didn’t. That’s how I remember it anyway.

The start of the season before Zub got hurt was only two games +2 mins of a 3rd game, Fla and Mtl, so not much of a sample, They got clobbered in Florida, but had respectable numbers against Mtl despite the team not being great.

 

[bicboi64]

I don't think Hamonic vs. JBD moves the needle much, if at all. Fine with either in that role but would like to see both kept fresh and rotated in. I think Hammer makes better decisions that sometimes don't work out from lack of ability, but JBD is more capable in some way with less savvy decision making, and it basically balances out in the end. Coaches seem to always prefer the former, so i'll bet on Hammer staying in the lineup, at least to start.

Reason I'd like to see JBD play more is it'll improve his decision-making. Kleven has been given the benefit of the doubt despite some awful pinches, but hey that's a part of the development curve. Just wish JBD would get some more leash as he can get better but with Hammer, what we have is kinda all there is.