Management Travis Green [Head Coach]

[inthewings]

I’m extremely surprised this seems to be catching so many off guard, we’ve heard this since they took over in late September, they were literally throwing water on fan expectations from the get go.

Yes. We're seeing the misaligned expectations again in this thread. The reality is that the team Dorion built is not a good one, and unless the stars align perfectly this offseason we could very well be looking at a rebuild the rebuild situation.

 

[Flamingo]

We've all been through this before.

1. Post-draft and summer interviews on Team 1200, a personal profile by Bruce Garrioch and Ian Mendes, some platitudes about "doing things differently."

2. At training camp, focusing on "different types of drills" and "bringing urgency and a real work ethic to camp". Interviews with players talking about "holding the guys accountable and demanding more from the team".

3. During exhibition season, if we win, we will be "cautiously optimistic that he's instilling the right culture with the key players on the team" and if we lose, "exhibition games don't really matter anyway and it's more about the coach getting to know his players in the organization".

4. Once the season starts, if we win early, "We should have hired Green two years ago and we would have made the playoffs" and if we lose, "Well, it takes awhile for a coach to really put his stamp on the team and get the guys to understand and buy into a new system."

5. By Christmas, it will be "He's turned this team around already, Dorion + DJ = bad" or "Some things are just out of Green's control at this point."

That's about as far as my prognostication abilities take me at this stage.

So.... you're the Architect. Nice to meet you. I'm Neo. And I'm not going to sacrifice Chabot to save our team.

 

[NyQuil]

So.... you're the Architect. Nice to meet you. I'm Neo. And I'm not going to sacrifice Chabot to save our team.

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[Hale The Villain]

Ray Ferraro: "I know the previous group said the rebuild is over and we're ready to compete, but I think this is an acknowledgement that that's not the case."

Not sure why Staios and Andlauer are trying to baby this team and it's players so much.

We've missed the playoffs for 7 seasons now. The team has several holes on paper but has a lot of talent, more than a number of teams that made the playoffs this year.

Playoffs should absolutely be the goal for this group and continually lowering expectations comes off as a loser mentality.

 

[flyingfingers]

Well no we established what the most expensive coach in the league is going to make and you said if Andlauder cant pay the most he shouldnt have bought the team. The bolded is just a wild concept to expect. Id imagine you haven't looked into this organizations financials anytime recently. I'll give you a hint its nothing like Vegas's and operating a business in Ottawa Canada is nothing like operating one in Las Vegas. Id also guess you probably have never had to make any sort of hi leverage important financial investment/decision in your life either. The most wealthy people in the world dont even speak like this.

My god you're just filled with excuses eh. Nothing Andlauer can do! $6M (if that's even what the ask was) is impossible!

It doesn't matter if $6M is "the most expensive" coach. It's not a lot of money in the context of an NHL team owned by a god damn billionaire who claims to be best in class. $6M shouldn't be an obstacle if he's serious about winning.

And yes, if he's sweating money right now he should've stepped aside and let Reynolds and Remington buy the team.

If you want to win, you have to spend. That's pro sports in 2024. It is what it is. It's not the OHL where people will pat you on the back for renting the players an upgraded coach bus.

Maybe Friedman is wrong. Hopefully he is. "We think Green is a better fit for this team than Berube", is fine, even if I disagree. "We wanted Berube but considering his asking price settled for Green, but he'll be good too!" is lame and I have no problem calling Andlauer out for something like that.

 

[bert]

I'm not sure I would have been on the fire DJ bandwagon if I knew his replacement would be Travis-effin'-Green. Sure it may work out but all evidence points to this being a terrible hire.

Is too late to tell Smith we were working about getting fired?

Stylistically they are nothing alike, so I assume you wanted the players coach? Do you think thats the right fit for this current team?

 

[bert]

My god you're just filled with excuses eh. Nothing Andlauer can do! $6M (if that's even what the ask was) is impossible!

It doesn't matter if $6M is "the most expensive" coach. It's not a lot of money in the context of an NHL team owned by a god damn billionaire who claims to be best in class. $6M shouldn't be an obstacle if he's serious about winning.

And yes, if he's sweating money right now he should've stepped aside and let Reynolds and Remington buy the team.

If you want to win, you have to spend. That's pro sports in 2024. It is what it is.

It's not the OHL.

Not excuses I just deal with large investments and wealthy people in my line of work. They dont get there by blowing money if they dont see the risk reward. Clearly they didnt see it. The true fallacy here is that you think that because they werent willing to spend the most of any team in the NHL on a coach means they cant afford the team or shouldnt have bought it. You sound like a spoiled child tbh. This is a hands on passionate owner that cares about the product you seem to expect that anyone that bought the team would just come in with unlimited funds and spent. All the other groups arent fans the bottom line will be even more important to them. We as fans are lucky there is someone that wants to invest in the organization and community. That is fair and well respected. Big corporations only look at dividends and growth. There would be way less stability in that scenario.

 

[Flamingo]

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Hope.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Not sure why Staios and Andlauer are trying to baby this team and it's players so much.

We've missed the playoffs for 7 seasons now. The team has several holes on paper but has a lot of talent, more than a number of teams that made the playoffs this year.

Playoffs should absolutely be the goal for this group and continually lowering expectations comes off as a loser mentality.

Maybe they don't think the players are good enough to make the playoffs.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Ray Ferraro: "I know the previous group said the rebuild is over and we're ready to compete, but I think this is an acknowledgement that that's not the case."

Truth

 

[Cosmix]

I have no problems giving Green a chance, but if his career path follows along the same way it has (losing, losing and losing!), someone needs to be held accountable. We’ve already wasted quite a few years of this current core, any more and players will start demanding trades and we’ll end up absolutely toxic again (more than we already are).

To see this was a financial decision is definitely disappointing. I understand if Berube is holding out for a ton of money, but there are definitely more attractive options than Travis Green given the state of the team right now. Sounds like he was the cheapest option available.

4 years is also killer for a team who’s keen on hiring the cheapest guy available. Probably won’t wanna pay Green to not coach us. Are we still paying DJ Smith, or did the Kings hiring him stop that?

I think DJ Smith's contract ended at the end of the 2023-24 season.

 

[flyingfingers]

Not excuses I just deal with large investments and wealthy people in my line of work. They dont get there by blowing money if they dont see the risk reward. Clearly they didnt see it. The true fallacy here is that you think that because they werent willing to spend the most of any team in the NHL on a coach means they cant afford the team or shouldnt have bought it. You sound like a spoiled child tbh. This is a hands on passionate owner that cares about the product you seem to expect that anyone that bought the team would just come in with unlimited funds and spent. All the other groups arent fans the bottom line will be even more important to them. We as fans are lucky there is someone that wants to invest in the organization and community. That is fair and well respected. Big corporations only look at dividends and growth. There would be way less stability in that scenario.

We had a hands on passionate owner who wanted to win but not if it cost too much before, too.

We'll agree to disagree. But right now, this front office looks like it belongs in the OHL. Maybe my opinion will change once free-agency starts or more hires are announced.

But as of now, Andlauer's first 9 months have been very underwhelming. And to boot, he's raising ticket prices and already him hawing about a downtown arena. But we'll see how it goes.

 

[RickyLafleur]

If this really was all Staois was going to do he may as well have kept PD and DJ because nothing has changed here. I'm looking forward to another lottery loss tonight and then I will stop thinking about this mediocre organization.

 

[bert]

Ray Ferraro: "I know the previous group said the rebuild is over and we're ready to compete, but I think this is an acknowledgement that that's not the case."

They are quite clearly still in the development stage with this group and team. They were never close, Dorion just doesnt know what he is doing and botched the rebuild by going for it way too early. Among many of his terrible blunders, mostly reactionary and emotionally driven. You seem to want that type of management, for new fans this tends to happen when you havent followed the team historically for very long. Very Ottawa twitter esque. The most success this team ever had came from Marshall Johnston's approach. Simliar to the way Cheveldaeoff runs Winnipege.

First of all you need to acknowledge and understand this is a small market team. You clearly dont grasp this concept. Considering you think they just have unlimited funds to hire a coach. But unfortunately its the case, Ottawa is not a destination. The only way for small market teams to compete in this league is by methodically building, making smart, prudent and educated decisions. Its a slow build to sustained success. Keeping the right pieces and moving on from the ones that dont fit. Thats what Staios has preached since he got here. I am happy because watching the way Dorion operated was torment.

 

[Cosmix]

Truth

How can the hiring of Greene be interpreted as a rebuild move?

 

[DueDiligence]

He's won a Stanley Cup and has otherwise put up a 268-186 record as a head coach.

I'd say that's pretty good, no?

And if there was a Scottie Bowman (maybe Jon Cooper?) coaching today, I'd gladly pay them more than Berube if they had been available.

Well Berube had a good first year in Philly, a so so 2nd year and got canned. Great 1st year in St Louis and progressively down hill after that and got canned. His 3 best years were when his goalies played lights out. And funny you mention Jon Cooper a coach who looks like a genius when he gets all world goaltending from Andrei Vasilevskiy but not so good when his goaltending is average
Most coaches look great when they get great goaltending. Claude Julien come on down! Very few coaches look great with average or worse goaltending and any coach Ottawa would get would be highly dependent on an upgrade in net

 

[Hale The Villain]

Maybe they don't think the players are good enough to make the playoffs.

Washington and NYI made the playoffs. Detroit, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were close.

We're better on paper than all those teams except maybe the Islanders.

Do we make the playoffs next year? Who knows, but I'm tired of the excuse making and downplaying of expectations.

 

[SpezDispenser]

People don't seem to understand what style Green is. Apparently VERY aggressive and we've all wanted that for a long time.

 

[Masterplan]

Stylistically they are nothing alike, so I assume you wanted the players coach? Do you think thats the right fit for this current team?

I was definitely on the side of firing DJ at the time. His defensive system wasn't insulating our less than perfect goalie tandem.

Green is also a player's coach, that plays a fast pace game, but leaves too many opportunities against and thus relies too heavily on his goalie to bail out the team.

It didn't work with NJ's goalies, so I'm not expecting any different here, unless we go out and get a bonefide No. 1 tender.

So apples to apples, if DJ had had a proper goalie, I think he's probably still our coach.

 

[flyingfingers]

Well Berube had a good first year in Philly, a so so 2nd year and got canned. Great 1st year in St Louis and progressively down hill after that and got canned. His 3 best years were when his goalies played lights out. And funny you mention Jon Cooper a coach who looks like a genius when he gets all world goaltending from Andrei Vasilevskiy but not so good when his goaltending is average
Most coaches look great when they get great goaltending. Claude Julien come on down! Very few coaches look great with average or worse goaltending and any coach Ottawa would get would be highly dependent on an upgrade in net or not.

Andrei Vasilevskiy - Tampa Bay Lightning Goaltender - ESPN

Travis Green got great goaltending in Vancouver and his team, for the most part, sucked.

 

[bert]

We had a hands on passionate owner who wanted to win but not if it cost too much before, too.

We'll agree to disagree. But right now, this front office looks like it belongs in the OHL. Maybe my opinion will change once free-agency starts or more hires are announced.

But as of now, Andlauer's first 9 months have been very underwhelming. And to boot, he's raising ticket prices and already him hawing about a downtown arena. But we'll see how it goes.

These two people are polar opposites in just about every way. If you cant recognize this you are not doing research or paying attention.

In Melnyks case you are confusing passion with a man that was mentally ill that was emotional and reactionary. That operated on a bare bones budget. Who was removed from his board of governors and loathed by almost everyone that worked with him.

I have showed you multiple times that Andlauder has been spending to think its the same is both lazy and uneducated.

See you want more Melnyk based on this post. You want reaction and unlimited spending. Thats not how small market teams have success. Thats what Buffalo did when the PAgnottas took over. Look where that got them. 14 years no playoffs 3 rebuilds.

This group is approaching it methodically. Evaluating what they have before they make any rash decisions. You may not like it but its how they should be approaching it.

 

[flyingfingers]

They are quite clearly still in the development stage with this group and team. They were never close, Dorion just doesnt know what he is doing and botched the rebuild by going for it way too early. Among many of his terrible blunders, mostly reactionary and emotionally driven. You seem to want that type of management, for new fans this tends to happen when you havent followed the team historically for very long. Very Ottawa twitter esque. The most success this team ever had came from Marshall Johnston's approach. Simliar to the way Cheveldaeoff runs Winnipege.

First of all you need to acknowledge and understand this is a small market team. You clearly dont grasp this concept. Considering you think they just have unlimited funds to hire a coach. But unfortunately its the case, Ottawa is not a destination. The only way for small market teams to compete in this league is by methodically building, making smart, prudent and educated decisions. Its a slow build to sustained success. Keeping the right pieces and moving on from the ones that dont fit. Thats what Staios has preached since he got here. I am happy because watching the way Dorion operated was torment.

This is true, yes.

But this and hiring Travis Green doesn't square for me.

 

[Cosmix]

That’s a good read.

I mean, we have no other options but to give Green a chance. Hopefully he can bring our team success despite the goaltending issues.

I’m more upset about the alleged hiring criteria (cheaper the better), than the actual hiring itself.

Staios had other options to hire a coach. He chose Greene. That is wholly on him, unless you want to pass some of the blame to Andlauer for budget or whatever other reasons might exist.

 

[bert]

I was definitely on the side of firing DJ at the time. His defensive system wasn't insulating our less than perfect goalie tandem.

Green is also a player's coach, that plays a fast pace game, but leaves too many opportunities against and thus relies too heavily on his goalie to bail out the team.

It didn't work with NJ's goalies, so I'm not expecting any different here, unless we go out and get a bonefide No. 1 tender.

So apples to apples, if DJ had had a proper goalie, I think he's probably still our coach.

I dont think you have done any research at all.

 

[PlayOn]

Not sure why Staios and Andlauer are trying to baby this team and it's players so much.

We've missed the playoffs for 7 seasons now. The team has several holes on paper but has a lot of talent, more than a number of teams that made the playoffs this year.

Playoffs should absolutely be the goal for this group and continually lowering expectations comes off as a loser mentality.

I don’t think they’re babying them. Staios has said there are internal expectations. I just don’t think they need to blast it in the media, because really what does it accomplish?

What Staios has continuously said is that our timeline depends on various factors and he can’t predict them. And it’s true. If Sanderson and Stützle don’t take the next step, if Norris is in last year’s form or worse, if Chabot doesn’t improve defensively etc we are not going to be a good team. If all or most of those things go well (along with Staios rounding out the roster and goaltending obviously), then we could be a playoff team.

I don’t think there’s a need to really say we will or won’t make the playoffs. I think there’s a possibility for this to go in either direction, and really it’s just gonna come down to the internal growth which one it is. The point is that the core has been told this is what needs to happen and they all need to improve, playoffs are just the byproduct of that.