GDT: Traverse City 2019 Tournament Thread
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I don't think that the vast, overwhelming majority of Rangers fans would care about anyone other than Kakko. I would wager that if you went into MSG at the end of last season, maybe 5% of people would know who Rykov was, or (pretend he was our property) Adam Fox, or even Kravtsov. They would probably be like, "Oh he's that Russian guy that's gonna be good, right?" Probably 25% would know Shesterkin, because he's been around for years now. And then of all those people that knew anything about any of those guys, a tiny amount would actually spend any time trying to watch these guys play through a potato controlled by a monkey at Traverse.
HF posters are a different breed. Fanatical. ESPECIALLY about prospects. But, even most fanatics outside of here and a couple blogs aren't going to watch to see Jake Elmer, Nico Gross, Adam Huska, Shwan McBride, etc. They may check it out for a minute to see Kakko, but as soon as they realize the viewing experience sucks, they'll be over it.
I just don't think there's much interest.
Amazing Kreiderman
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OK. What draws in more viewers (either life or on demand)?
- an hour following our prospects
- reruns of games 25-30 years ago they showed a thousand times already
I don't know StatBoy, go find the ratings for MSG programming and then the ratings for when we last broadcast this 10 years back or whatever. Otherwise, I can't answer you.
I repeat: I don't think there is much interest. This is a big deal for like 500 people. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that has always been my perception.
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MSG broadcast Traverse City once and then never again, right? What I know about businesses says that they didn't find to be a profitable venture then. Didn't they win that year too?
MSG Network is obviously part of MSG Networks, Inc., and is a business. They obviously exist to make money. If they thought that they were going to pull in enough viewers to offset whatever cost there is to broadcast TCT, then I would imagine they'd do it. If they think it's a better business move to show old Knicks playoff games, it probably is. Like Brooks said--penny wise. I disagree about pound foolish.
Exactly. They're not refusing to broadcast it out of spite.
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I think you're probably spot on about the vast majority not wanting to watch these games. Like you said, the infrastructure in the arena sucks for broadcasting, the games are at random times in the mid-afternoon, and there are only 3 of them. It just doesn't seem like a worthwhile financial cost for MSG.
They'll probably have behind-the-scenes stuff from TC on their instagram and twitter to offer engagement with the fans. It's cheaper and easier to do, plus, it'll have a wider range of influence since people check their phones all day.
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That may be the case, but it costs considerably less to air a rerun, especially when they already own that content. I doubt the viewership would be enough to offset the cost. Money aside, they could do it anyway, but then there's questions about the quality of the broadcast, who they are going to have announce it (if anyone) and their availability, logistics regarding the venues and potential conflicts with others already contracted to air/stream the games.
The games were streamed last year, on FoxSportsGo, IIRC. I assume they will be again. MSG throwing a bunch of money at it isn't going to significantly improve what we are getting. I'd rather they do something like a preview and/or post-tournament show where they talk about the prospects and the games.
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Mac n Gs
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Ok, then they don't
They've had clips from it before, so I'm sure they'll have some form of coverage of it on their social media accounts.
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Ok, then they don't
They've had clips from it before, so I'm sure they'll have some form of coverage of it on their social media accounts.
I hope so. But to be honest... Other teams have embraced rebuilds so much that this will most likely be a disappointment. It's like comparing the 2012 road to the Winter Classic series to the 2018 20-minute episodes.
Other teams set the standard with Svechnikov last year for instance, and I highly doubt MSG Networks coming close to that. Not because they don't want to, but because they don't have to. Rangers sell out anyway. Fans show up anyway. Laziness brought on by guaranteed streams of income.
I've seen this before... In the Netherlands in the mid 90s with Ajax.
Mac n Gs
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I agree with you that I'd like to see more, but you kinda nailed it when you said that MSG doesn't really have the incentive to do so. They're making money no matter what, and they'll probably move forward with whatever marketing campaign they've already created. Besides, although it's more amplified here, we're still only a small minority of Rangers fans on here who really want increased engagement surrounding our prospects. Just seeing these kids on the Rangers social media is new exposure to a more casual fan, and it still achieves the same end result for MSG as a whole.
If I had to guess, their biggest non-Rangers hockey campaign this season will revolve around Amanda Kessel and her work in girl's junior hockey.
Lastly, it's tough to compare us to a team like Carolina who has mastered the social media game because of the need to draw in fans and keep current fans engaged. The Rangers did something as simple as adopting a dog last year and it blew up on social media.
There's a lot of truth to this post. We are like the radical 5% that post over and over on Twitter. Not reflective of the country.
Would want MSG doing the coverage with some play by play even. Biggest point in organizational history especially when it comes to the prospect pool
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I live in Europe. I can't even watch MSG and this annoys me. I'm just fighting for my brothers in the tri-city area haha
If they wanted, for fun, they could film it now, have some hungry announce team watch it and comment after the fact, layer in some replays and narratives to really push certain players in the minds of fans and broadcast it a week or so later. Compared to paying off Shattenkirk, it would cost practically nothing for MSG to hire the camera crew, announcers and editors
That said, by not broadcasting this I honestly I doubt they lose even an ounce let alone a pound. There's not much profit to be had from this.
they don't play the old games either...that was just a 1 week thing when they celebrated the 25th anniversary
teams never care about the crazy diehards that would call out from work to watch a prospect tournament with no commentators...they already have your $$, they only care about attracting new fans so they can make them crazy diehards to stop carrying about them 
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oh cmon guys quitcha bitchin,
this is all sounding very entitled and know-it-all
its not a fan event, its barely a public event,
just because the internet has enabled the obsessives to follow any and all team activity,
(and we always want more),
doesn't mean the teams or the league has to indulge that, or is wrong not to
if you really want to watch, you will,
we will find the URLs or app-access, (FoxSportsGO maybe?)
and watch the crappy distant single-camera, no-commentary action, hardly ever able to identify the guys
but just cuz you're not getting what you want, doesn't mean someone else actually deserves blame ..
this is all sounding very entitled and know-it-all
its not a fan event, its barely a public event,
just because the internet has enabled the obsessives to follow any and all team activity,
(and we always want more),
doesn't mean the teams or the league has to indulge that, or is wrong not to
if you really want to watch, you will,
we will find the URLs or app-access, (FoxSportsGO maybe?)
and watch the crappy distant single-camera, no-commentary action, hardly ever able to identify the guys
but just cuz you're not getting what you want, doesn't mean someone else actually deserves blame ..
Edge
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Put me down as someone who is somewhat surprised they don't stream the games.
A tournament like this also seems like a golden opportunity for some on-the-job training for their younger production and broadcast talent, without necessarily expecting said talent to be completely ready for prime time.
A tournament like this also seems like a golden opportunity for some on-the-job training for their younger production and broadcast talent, without necessarily expecting said talent to be completely ready for prime time.
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