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GDT: Traverse City 2019 Tournament Thread

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Thirty One said:
MSG broadcast Traverse City once and then never again, right? What I know about businesses says that they didn't find to be a profitable venture then. Didn't they win that year too?
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I don't ever remember MSG televising them. What year was that?

Also, what's this noise about the games not being streamed this year? I see people saying Rangers will be streamed. Are other teams not streaming their games?
 
Stream it on a social media platform like the NBA did with G League. Lowers the cost, and there's not TV ratings at stake. Maybe MSG will even be surprised by the number of hits on the stream.
 
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Filthy Dangles said:
I don't ever remember MSG televising them. What year was that?

Also, what's this noise about the games not being streamed this year? I see people saying Rangers will be streamed. Are other teams not streaming their games?
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It's a pretty distant memory for me, but I want to say the year Dubinsky went off in it (before his eventual rookie season) they broadcast it. I could be completely wrong, though.
 
Filthy Dangles said:
... what's this noise about the games not being streamed this year? I see people saying Rangers will be streamed. Are other teams not streaming their games?
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last year all games were on FoxSportsGO, i believe,
but only DRW games had announcers, and they are usually in other bracket from NYR.
Maybe NYR, DRW finish in same 'place' within their brackets, then they'd meet Tuesday ...
 
Filthy Dangles said:
I don't ever remember MSG televising them. What year was that?

Also, what's this noise about the games not being streamed this year? I see people saying Rangers will be streamed. Are other teams not streaming their games?
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I remember it being aired as well. Maybe around the lockout?
 
nyr2k2 said:
I don't think that the vast, overwhelming majority of Rangers fans would care about anyone other than Kakko. I would wager that if you went into MSG at the end of last season, maybe 5% of people would know who Rykov was, or (pretend he was our property) Adam Fox, or even Kravtsov. They would probably be like, "Oh he's that Russian guy that's gonna be good, right?" Probably 25% would know Shesterkin, because he's been around for years now. And then of all those people that knew anything about any of those guys, a tiny amount would actually spend any time trying to watch these guys play through a potato controlled by a monkey at Traverse.

HF posters are a different breed. Fanatical. ESPECIALLY about prospects. But, even most fanatics outside of here and a couple blogs aren't going to watch to see Jake Elmer, Nico Gross, Adam Huska, Shwan McBride, etc. They may check it out for a minute to see Kakko, but as soon as they realize the viewing experience sucks, they'll be over it.

I just don't think there's much interest.
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Agree with your post, but I honestly think you actually overrate the average fans awareness of our prospects who have not had a cup of coffee yet, furthering your point.
 
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Inferno said:
Ive got a few ranger fan friends on my beer league team.. they watch most if not all games... None of them had heard of kakko till the draft itself.

I'd say the number of ranger fans that would watch it are in the hundreds... Maybe.
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If they advertised it on MSG and on their social media they would get a ton of people to tune in who are interested to see the future of the Ranger's play. Lets not be silly and assume only a couple hundred would watch.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
If they advertised it on MSG and on their social media they would get a ton of people to tune in who are interested to see the future of the Ranger's play. Lets not be silly and assume only a couple hundred would watch.
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I don't think a lot of ppl would watch it... It's a prospects tournament... Do people actually watch the development camp stuff? Even that has the lead in from the draft so there's some carry over... This is just some random tournament in the summer...

I dunno.
 
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Inferno said:
I don't think a lot of ppl would watch it... It's a prospects tournament... Do people actually watch the development camp stuff? Even that has the lead in from the draft so there's some carry over... This is just some random tournament in the summer...

I dunno.
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The prospect camp that was not advertised at all and in the middle of the workweek in CT got about 100 people a day to show up. I think you are really underestimating how many people would watch if it was advertised and aired at a 7pm slot. Especially for the first taste of Ranger's hockey since early April.
 
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Edge said:
I think it is may be important to note the difference between viable and attractive.

Based on my experience, and in dealing with similar proposals over the years, I think the endeavor is probably viable. In other words, I don't think it would lose money.

How attractive is it from a financial standpoint? That's something I'm less sure of.

You very well could have a situation where the expenses are covered and any kind of monetary profit is minimal. In and of itself, that might not be something MSG wants to spend a lot of effort pursuing.

However, when you start to factor in training and experience for younger crew members, access to b-roll and footage for projects down the road, content creation, etc., I think there's something to be gained.

But it's not my money, not my time, and not my decision.
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Yes, my focus was more on the financial/man-hours impact being something they'd consider being worth it.

I don't work in broadcasting directly, but my job does have me working with video broadcasting and streaming weekly, and it is a fair amount of work just to even do things local on a professional level. And the ROI ends up being...well...not all that attractive.

It's not an inexpensive venture, nor something that is quick to do. So it's understandable why MSG doesn't send a broadcast crew, even barebones, over to Traverse City.
 
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will1066 said:
Stream it on a social media platform like the NBA did with G League. Lowers the cost, and there's not TV ratings at stake. Maybe MSG will even be surprised by the number of hits on the stream.
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Pretty sure they've already tried that with other non-TCT things before and it's been nothing short of a disaster every time.
 
Well look at the end of the day, it will be live-streamed in some capacity. So those of us that really look forward to it can watch. That more casual fans will miss out doesn't really affect anything, in the end.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
But we haven't had a prospect pool like this in the age of social media.
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Might be worth another shot, but most fans are not aware of our dramatically improved prospect pool, and probably wouldn't care even if they were aware. They know we got Kakko who's a stud and that's about it.
 
Inferno said:
I don't think a lot of ppl would watch it... It's a prospects tournament... Do people actually watch the development camp stuff? Even that has the lead in from the draft so there's some carry over... This is just some random tournament in the summer...

I dunno.
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Based on the broader audience size of the Rangers, it would probably be more than we think. Not huge, but not minuscule either.

Having said that, it would be interesting to see what happens to the audience size if you promote the tournament and position it as a unique, must-see peak at the stars of tomorrow.

The question of audience size could very well owe more to awareness than it could interest level.
 
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Edge said:
Based on the broader audience size of the Rangers, it would probably be more than we think. Not huge, but not minuscule either.

Having said that, it would be interesting to see what happens to the audience size if you promote the tournament and position it as a unique, must-see peak at the stars of tomorrow.

The question of audience size could very well owe more to awareness than it could interest level.
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I think we also tend to think of these things from a very Rangers' centric POV. MSG broadcasts not 1 but 4 NHL teams. All 3 local teams and the Sabres. However they cover the Rangers likely impacts how they have to cover the other area teams. So, chances are, its not just about covering NYR prospect camps and tournaments they'd need to expand coverage for the other teams. And that may be cost prohibitive.

What I wish could happen is that FS Detroit could strike a deal with MSG whereby it shares the footage and then MSG could share it on the web, and add in play by play after the fact and some analysis. It doesn't need to be sophisticated. It doesn't need to be on the network. It doesn't need Sam or Joe. It could be an unknown announcer and possibly some brief analysis from Vally or Dave M. And it could literally be bonus web-only content. Heck, i'd even be happy with that new beat writer, Vince, providing the live stream next to a NYR centric live chat window where he can clarify what we're seeing. The footage from these tournies and camps tends to have terrible angles, so having anyone in the building to clarify whose on the ice and doing what is really helpful. But again, I don't need some pro set up with 8 cameras and a booth and the whole nine.

I mean -- if some rabid NYR fans create their own commentary audio track that I could play alongside the replay of the games, I'd be cool with that too...
 
It would be tough to promote the hell out of this as must-see TV and then have people tune in to a broadcast that's barely watchable. People will likely tune in and expect some WJC-level production values, which just won't happen at those two rinks.
 
nyr2k2 said:
It would be tough to promote the hell out of this as must-see TV and then have people tune in to a broadcast that's barely watchable. People will likely tune in and expect some WJC-level production values, which just won't happen at those two rinks.
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Yeah, if they broadcast this thing it’s not about ratings.

But there are certainly other values in it.
 
nyr2k2 said:
It would be tough to promote the hell out of this as must-see TV and then have people tune in to a broadcast that's barely watchable. People will likely tune in and expect some WJC-level production values, which just won't happen at those two rinks.
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Yep. People will tune in for 2 minutes and think they are watching cell phone video of some friends playing beer league hockey.

You can't a really do a quality broadcast of that tournament.
 
Irishguy42 said:
Yes, my focus was more on the financial/man-hours impact being something they'd consider being worth it.

I don't work in broadcasting directly, but my job does have me working with video broadcasting and streaming weekly, and it is a fair amount of work just to even do things local on a professional level. And the ROI ends up being...well...not all that attractive.

It's not an inexpensive venture, nor something that is quick to do. So it's understandable why MSG doesn't send a broadcast crew, even barebones, over to Traverse City.
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TV isn't just the red button on a remote control... crew, trucks, travel, hotels, per diem, insurance, equip cost a LOT of money.

Once you get past one camera and one talent, things get expensive very quickly.

For the number of viewers... prob not worth it.

That being said, I wish someone would cover it... and if they need a director I could be available
 
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