GDT: Training Camp

[cptjeff]

But that's my point. The poster was asking why Corrente was still here even though he took multiple penalties in a pre-season game. Obviously, the coaches saw something that had them keep him around.

Anyhow, he's a long shot no matter what and will likely be in the last set of cuts. Unless there are injuries, I think Dalpe also will (unless he plays lights out in the final two pre-season games or the Canes don't want to expose him to waivers). From everything I can tell, he's been outplayed by Gerbe, Terry and Bowman so far.

Corrente was in multiple preseason games, and to my eye, stunk, even ignoring that he took lots of stupid penalties. Obviously the coaches see something in him, I just can't possibly conceive of what it is. Maybe it's just that he's new to the organization and they want to see what he's got.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I know they had a story on him in yesterday's paper.

Apparently, near the end of one of the practices, he took a puck off the bridge of his nose. He went to get fixed up, and rather than call it a day (being near the end anyway), he told the doctors to simply cover the cut for now and fix it after practice. Then he went back out, apparently to the delight of the rest of the team.

Muller said that kind of work ethic is something he wants to see out of his players.

 

[cptjeff]

I know they had a story on him in yesterday's paper.

Apparently, near the end of one of the practices, he took a puck off the bridge of his nose. He went to get fixed up, and rather than call it a day (being near the end anyway), he told the doctors to simply cover the cut for now and fix it after practice. Then he went back out, apparently to the delight of the rest of the team.

Muller said that kind of work ethic is something he wants to see out of his players.

Hopefully he's there as an example during training camp before he gets sent down then. Hard work is great, but as bad as he's looked in preseason, I don't want to think about what it would look like having him take shifts in a real NHL game.

 

[bluedevil58*]

Final forward line pairings IMO:

Semin-Staal-Tlusty

Ruutu-Staal-Gerbe

Skinner-Nash-Dvorak

Bowman-Lindholm-Dwyer

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hopefully he's there as an example during training camp before he gets sent down then. Hard work is great, but as bad as he's looked in preseason, I don't want to think about what it would look like having him take shifts in a real NHL game.

Again, he hasn't made the team yet so not sure why this is even an issue. None of the guys sent down have been overly impressive either. He is likely to get cut before the season starts, and if by chance he doesn't, he is likely going to be a 13th forward/7th D type guy.

I'm guessing that (barring injuries), that Corrente, Welsh, Sutter, Bellemore, and Terry all get sent down.

 

[What the Faulk]

Semin, Ruutu, Gleason and Lindholm are all day to day.

Chip Alexander ‏@ice_chip
Muller not ruling them out of Oct 4 opener but can't say they'll play either

 

[Oenatzu]

Final forward line pairings IMO:

Semin-Staal-Tlusty

Ruutu-Staal-Gerbe

Skinner-Nash-Dvorak

Bowman-Lindholm-Dwyer

I'd rather send Lindholm back to Sweden than play him on the 4th line.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Final forward line pairings IMO:

Semin-Staal-Tlusty

Ruutu-Staal-Gerbe

Skinner-Nash-Dvorak

Bowman-Lindholm-Dwyer

Yeah go ahead and switch those 3rd and 4th line centers, and I think you're on to something.

I've got one guarantee this year, Lindholm will not play on the 4th line.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Skinner/Lindholm/Dvorak would be a very good 3rd line. Play them in favorable matchups and let 'em just focus on offense.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Skinner/Lindholm/Dvorak would be a very good 3rd line. Play them in favorable matchups and let 'em just focus on offense.

Even then they've got a fairly responsible defensive winger in Dvorak. With the maturity that Lindholm is supposedly showing in his own end, they might actually make up for Skinner (to an extent) and be able not only to PLAY against favorable matchups but to DOMINATE them.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Semin, Ruutu, Gleason and Lindholm are all day to day.

Chip Alexander ‏@ice_chip
Muller not ruling them out of Oct 4 opener but can't say they'll play either

Oct 4 is over a week away... they must be somewhat significant injuries to keep questionable for that long. Or Muller is just being cautious not to set them off on the wrong foot for the rest of the season.

Even then they've got a fairly responsible defensive winger in Dvorak. With the maturity that Lindholm is supposedly showing in his own end, they might actually make up for Skinner (to an extent) and be able not only to PLAY against favorable matchups but to DOMINATE them.

I haven't seen Lindholm do anything noteworthy with the puck so far, but he seems not to mind going to the dirty areas. Sounds like an ideal center for Skinner.

 

[cptjeff]

Again, he hasn't made the team yet so not sure why this is even an issue. None of the guys sent down have been overly impressive either. He is likely to get cut before the season starts, and if by chance he doesn't, he is likely going to be a 13th forward/7th D type guy.

I'm guessing that (barring injuries), that Corrente, Welsh, Sutter, Bellemore, and Terry all get sent down.

The issue is that I think he was a lot worse than most of the guys already sent down, and am very nervous about the possibility of him being on the team on any capacity where he might wind up playing NHL minutes.

 

[What the Faulk]

And boom goes the hammer

‏@ice_chip
Canes' Muller on Lindholm today: "With the amount of time (he's) missed, we have to evaluate whether he can jump in at this level."

Riley Nash to 3rd line C. Yay.

 

[tarheelhockey]

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Read my enlightened thoughts if you wish: http://hfloungers.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/carolina-hurricanes-training-camp-10-thoughts/

 

[Vagrant]

It was also stated that with Nash having the inside track to the 3rd line center position that it was possible they'd play Lindholm on the wing which would change the dynamic a bit. It's possible they could try him with Jordan and Ruutu or Nash and Skinner if those are the lines.

 

[Vagrant]

Read my enlightened thoughts if you wish: http://hfloungers.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/carolina-hurricanes-training-camp-10-thoughts/

That was cool except for when you smashed my Dalpe love and now I hate you.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Why do I have a feeling we will rush Lindholm into a role he isn't ready for.

It's sad we are so dearth of any prospects that it has come to us forcing an 18 year old kid onto the roster. We struck gold with Skinner so now we are to believe all will end well? Not buying it. We need the Wings approach, not this one.

 

[Vagrant]

Why do I have a feeling we will rush Lindholm into a role he isn't ready for.

It's sad we are so dearth of any prospects that it has come to us forcing an 18 year old kid onto the roster. We struck gold with Skinner so now we are to believe all will end well? Not buying it. We need the Wings approach, not this one.

In fairness, it seems that everyone taken ahead of Lindholm will play in the NHL next season and even a few behind him. Playing the 5th overall pick immediately isn't an absurd notion especially in a draft that was as deep as this one. It seems as if only two or three players from the draft that were taken in the Top 10 will not play in the NHL next season. Horvat, Nurse and Ristolainen. All the other forwards will play and Max Domi likely will too. I don't think it's beyond the scope to say the NHL is probably where he SHOULD be this year, but the injury has really set the schedule. The last time we had a situation like that, it was Boychuk who was injured all the way through camp in his draft season and still made the team for a tryout and was promptly sent back when he wasn't ready for the jump. Not too many teams would be able to resist the temptation of playing him right away, but a few teams might be more concerned about his shoulder than we are. However, it must be kept in mind that sending him back to the SEL wouldn't exactly be sending him back to the CHL either. He's going to be playing against men regardless of where he plays, as there are no options for him. If Carolina wants to keep him close to monitor his situation with his shoulder, they certainly have more vested interest in his long term prospects than his Swedish club.

 

[AhoLottaLove]

I have not caught any of the preseason games. How does Nash look? Did he show up for camp in good shape?

 

[Roboturner913]

If Lindholm cannot handle third line C then why not put him on Jordan's wing? Is he really going to learn anything by going back to Sweden at this point?

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Yes.

Instead of burning a year of his ELC as an injured 18 year old, we can wait a year and start his ELC as a healthy 19 year old should he play the year in Sweden.

 

[Roboturner913]

Yes, that's good for team finances, not necessarily good for the player. Injury aside, he's physically ready for the NHL. He's only going to get mentally ready for the NHL by playing in NA.

 

[TheOllieC]

If Lindholm cannot handle third line C then why not put him on Jordan's wing? Is he really going to learn anything by going back to Sweden at this point?

I would like to see him on Jordan's wing. Ruutu/J/Lindholm all share similar play types. I have thought all summer that Lindholm is NHL ready with his physicality and such. That would make Gerbe and Dvorak both be bottom 6 options to even out scoring and play one with Skinner on 2B and one on 4. That only leaves a question of 4th line center which sadly would probably be Welsh unless someone is picked up off waivers.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Yes, that's good for team finances, not necessarily good for the player. Injury aside, he's physically ready for the NHL. He's only going to get mentally ready for the NHL by playing in NA.

The chances that Lindholm is any sort of impact player this season are very slim. Outside of the top 1-2 draft choices and the occasional diamond-in-the-rough (Skinner, O'Reilly), it's very rare for an 18 year old to come in and contribute at a meaningful level.

And I would rather have Lindholm under contract for the ages of 19-21, then 18-20.

So there is a big benefit for sending Lindholm back to Sweden... we get an ELC 21 year old season in 3 years, in exchange for an 18 year old season that, odds are, won't make much of a difference for this team.

For comparisons sake, the last 5th overall to make the NHL as an 18 year old was Luke Schenn in 2008. Before that, Phil Kessel for the Bruins in 2006. Kessel scored 29 points his rookie year.