News Article: Training camp ongoing. Camp discussion part 2

[bobbythebrain]

For sure, I feel like for the first time since the rebuild started in like 2010, the team has all the pieces. However, I don't think Bouchard is ready yet. But maybe he is.

I think he is ready for light duty. The OHL really doesn't have anything to offer him at this point. The biggest worry is we most likely don't have the players or coach's IQ to shelter him proper

Sergachev last year was a hot mess defensively for some time, but he was given small ice times and used in an offensive manner

I just hope we can stick to a plan w/ Bouchard in the same way

 

[Senor Catface]

I think he is ready for light duty. The OHL really doesn't have anything to offer him at this point. The biggest worry is we most likely don't have the players or coach's IQ to shelter him proper

Sergachev last year was a hot mess defensively for some time, but he was given small ice times and used in an offensive manner

I just hope we can stick to a plan w/ Bouchard in the same way

Isn't Yawney well known for working with young defensmen?

 

[guymez]

Isn't Yawney well known for working with young defensmen?

He is for sure.

Also dont understand these references to Mclellan being a stupid coach. He may be stubborn (like most NHL coaches...see Mike Babcock) but he is a very intelligent coach.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Isn't Yawney well known for working with young defensmen?

Yes, but I'll believe things when I see them..it is the Oilers afterall

Currently a new coaching staff and we have 5 LHS on the #1 pp and JP is still circling the middle on unit 2

Meanwhile Elias Petterson is clapping away opportunities from his sweetspot in Vancouver

 

[guymez]

Yes, but I'll believe things when I see them..it is the Oilers afterall

Currently a new coaching staff and we have 5 LHS on the #1 pp and JP is still circling the middle on unit 2

Meanwhile Elias Petterson is clapping away opportunities from his sweetspot in Vancouver

If this is a Puljujarvi reference they are not the same player (in their first season) in terms of NHL readiness.

Also...who the frick else do thay have in Van to drive the offence?

 

[bobbythebrain]

If this is a Puljujarvi reference they are not the same player (in their first season) in terms of NHL readiness.

Also...who the frick else do thay have in Van to drive the offence?

I think you're missing the point. How about you offer some up explanation why JP has not been used in his spot on either pp...for 3 years now

 

[guymez]

I think you're missing the point. How about you offer some up explanation why JP has not been used in his spot on either pp...for 3 years now

I have posted ad nauseam about this in the Jesse thread. You are welcome to read it if you are truly interested.
Not going to derail this thread which is easy to do because there are more than a few ultra sensitive Jesse fans out there.

If you think how Jesse has been handled is a sure sign of stupidity then have at it. Lets just say I disagree.

You also ignored my points on Pettersson which happen to be true. IMO Pettersson isnt a comparable any more than Laine in Winnipeg.

 

[Spawn]

Not Oilers related.

But the Canucks only scored 10 goals in 7 pre-season games. And 1/2 of them came on the PP.

Just pre-season of course, but damn that can't install confidence.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I have posted ad nauseam about this in the Jesse thread. You are welcome to read it if you are truly interested.
Not going to derail this thread which is easy to do because there are more than a few ultra sensitive Jesse fans out there.

If you think how Jesse has been handled is a sure sign of stupidity then have at it. Lets just say I disagree.

NP, but if you look, I myself have defended the coach in his usage of JP...and believe the player was more to blame for not being ready. I stand by that despite being called a JP hater on here by a few

But that still has nothing to do w/ the coaches decisions on common sense w/ the pp...or giving JP some hard looks in that spot

 

[guymez]

NP, but if you look, I myself have defended the coach in his usage of JP...and believe the player was more to blame for not being ready. I stand by that despite being called a JP hater on here by a few

But that still has nothing to do w/ the coaches decisions on common sense w/ the pp

No disrespect intended but just because you claim it is common sense doesnt mean it actually is common sense.
I respect and understand the reasons that TMac had for not playing Jesse on the PP previously.
It makes sense to me...am I (or anybody else that understands and respects the reasoning) an idiot too?

In any event I see that changing this season as Jesse seems to have started to grow his game.

The best comment that I have heard so far about Jesse (I think it was Strudwick) was that he is becoming a player that his teammates can trust. Last season and before he was a player that his teammates couldn't trust because he was rarely in the spot he was supposed to be in. You cant give PP time to a player like that because the other players will think WTF...he is being rewarded for being unreliable?
Thankfully that looks like its starting to change and I am very hopeful that Jesse will continue to grow his game.

 

[bobbythebrain]

No disrespect intended but just because you claim it is common sense doesnt mean it actually is common sense.
I respect and understand the reasons that TMac had for not playing Jesse on the PP previously.
It makes sense to me...am I (or anybody else that understands and respects the reasoning) an idiot too?

In any event I see that changing this season as Jesse seems to have started to grow his game.

The best comment that I have heard so far about Jesse (I think it was Strudwick) was that he is becoming a player that his teammates can trust. Last season and before he was a player that his teammates couldn't trust because he was rarely in the spot he was supposed to be in. You cant give PP time to a player like that because the other players will think WTF...he is being rewarded for being unreliable?
Thankfully that looks like its starting to change and I am very hopeful that Jesse will continue to grow his game.

I missed it I guess..whart were Tmac's reasons for not using JP in that spot. Especially during 3 preseasons now?

 

[guymez]

I missed it I guess..whart were Tmac's reasons for not using JP in that spot. Especially during 3 preseasons now?

Sorry...late edit might help answer that for you. Those were Strudwicks comments...not mine.
I just happen to agree with it because it validated what I was seeing as well with Jesse.

Some players just take more time...Jesse is one of those players. I dont see the problem.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Sorry...late edit might help answer that for you. Those were Strudwicks comments...not mine.
I just happen to agree with it because it validated what I was seeing as well with Jesse.

Some players just take more time...Jesse is one of those players. I dont see the problem.

I call bs on that. Petterson is being knocked down every second in the NHL right now, and looking kinda useless in tight spots and board battles

Svechnikov has been demoted to a 4th line cuz of some bad play(but he is a rook)

Both players are still being utilized proper on the pp

When it comes to JP and his pp usage...there simply is no excuse of any kind that makes sense. If he hasn't earned anything...don't put him out there. Period

Putting him out there and using him in the middle is stupid

There is something afoot here w/ him and the coaches are being stooooopid!

Tons of narratives coming outta media that Bear was REWARDED OT for having a good game

JP comes out as a standout this pre-season and not only isn't rewarded w/ any type of PP usage, he is used as a pawn in OT w/ Tmac faking puting him out there lmao

 

[RegDunlop]

Can I agree with both of you?!!

I understand the reasoning behind not playing him on the PP but only for the first while.
What the hell could possibly be the reason for all of last season after they were officially eliminated from playoffs? Isn't that the time that he should have gotten to improve? To me, that's on Todd.

 

[RegDunlop]

I call bs on that. Petterson is being knocked down every second in the NHL right now, and looking kinda useless in tight spots and board battles

Svechnikov has been demoted to a 4th line cuz of some bad play(but he is a rook)

Both players are still being utilized proper on the pp

When it comes to JP and his pp usage...there simply is no excuse of any kind that makes sense. If he hasn't earned anything...don't put him out there. Period

Putting him out there and using him in the middle is stupid

There is something afoot here w/ him and the coaches are being stooooopid!

Tons of narratives coming outta media that Bear was REWARDED OT for having a good game

JP comes out as a standout this pre-season and not only isn't rewarded w/ any type of PP usage, he is used as a pawn in OT w/ Tmac faking puting him out there lmao

Excellent points! I agree.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Excellent points! I agree.

I'll add 1 more. Mitch Marner was demoted for a almost a month last year to the 4th line in the regular season for poor compete in puck battles. At no point was he taken off his spot on the pp..or shuffled into a secondary role

 

[RegDunlop]

With what money? Signing Nurse was the priority.

So what?
My point is that I agree that the search to possibly replace Sekeras minutes should have started long before he reinjured himself. To expect a hard minute defenceman at his age to step back into the best league in the world after the initial injury was ludicrous. As I said I don't dislike Chiarelli, but he needs to be accountable as much as anyone else.

If he and his staff cannot figure out how to fit in a young up and upcoming D in Nurse, that wouldve been on him as well.

I STILL think he should be looking for a Sekera replacement. This D does not instill confidence for me despite B and B's showing in preseason.

 

[guymez]

I call bs on that. Petterson is being knocked down every second in the NHL right now, and looking kinda useless in tight spots and board battles

Svechnikov has been demoted to a 4th line cuz of some bad play(but he is a rook)

Both players are still being utilized proper on the pp

When it comes to JP and his pp usage...there simply is no excuse of any kind that makes sense. If he hasn't earned anything...don't put him out there. Period

Putting him out there and using him in the middle is stupid

There is something afoot here w/ him and the coaches are being stooooopid!

Tons of narratives coming outta media that Bear was REWARDED OT for having a good game

JP comes out as a standout this pre-season and not only isn't rewarded w/ any type of PP usage, he is used as a pawn in OT w/ Tmac faking puting him out there lmao

Call BS all you want. Say its stupid all you want. Doesn't make you any more correct in your opinion.
Just makes you look a little too unusually emotional IMO...not sure why you are getting so worked up.

Go read the Jesse thread...if what you have to say hasnt already been said then post it there.
I am done derailing threads about Jesse...nothing else to add.

This is getting stale already.

Cheers.

 

[RegDunlop]

I'll add 1 more. Mitch Marner was demoted for a almost a month last year to the 4th line in the regular season for poor compete in puck battles. At no point was he taken off his spot on the pp..or shuffled into a secondary role

Exactly

Along with everyone else it seems, I'm still trying to figure out this 5LH PP! I've never put as much stock into LH / RH shots, but there is or should be some thought to it at minimum. What bothers me more - and others have stated - is the personnel grouping is so wrong. AND most fans can see that with a couple of adjustments the PP looks more dangerous. Maybe this is all fantasy but why not even try? Those quoting PP stats (%), cannot realistically think that it will continue in regular season do they? To me just a visual us all tgats required to realize it won't IMO.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

PP units that I'd try:

_______Lucic______
RNH___Rattie______McDavid
_____Bouchard____

______Khaira______
____Yamamoto_____Draisaitl
Puljujarvi__________
______Klef/Bear____

Sorry but I see no need to have Strome on either unit. That gives us potentially 2 solid PP units and each have at least 2 RH shots on it.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

PP units that I'd try:

_______Lucic______
RNH___Rattie______McDavid
_____Bouchard____

______Khaira______
____Yamamoto_____Draisaitl
Puljujarvi__________
______Klef/Bear____

Sorry but I see no need to have Strome on either unit. That gives us potentially 2 solid PP units and each have at least 2 RH shots on it.

I'd change RNH and Draisaitl, but I agree with the rest.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I'd change RNH and Draisaitl, but I agree with the rest.

IMO Drai and Connor in the past have played "catch" too much on the PP, just passing it back and forth. If both are more willing to shoot then that would work.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

IMO Drai and Connor in the past have played "catch" too much on the PP, just passing it back and forth. If both are more willing to shoot then that would work.

I agree when they are both playing on the right side, but if McDavid tried to find Draisaitl cross ice instead it would be much more dangerous imo.

 

[oiler4ever]

our coaching staff is very stubborn about all Lefties in one unit and all righties on other. go figure

 

[OilerTyler]

our coaching staff is very stubborn about all Lefties in one unit and all righties on other. go figure

It really makes no sense considering the success they had with Letestu on the top unit two seasons ago.