GDT: Training Camp discussion - Abruzzese on waivers and other cuts

conFABulator

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Dewar still still get a game in. Kampf looked competent last night and played his typical game (ignoring Cap implications). Jarnkrok looks like his typical self, shot a perfect crease front pass into the goalies glove.

Locks:
Matthews
Nylander
Marner
Tavares
Robertson
Lorentz
Holmberg

Should be lock's but not showing it:
Knies
McMann

Meh but will probably make the team:
Pacioretty
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Reeves

Odd man out: Dewar

Back to Junior: Cowan

They should probably waive Reeves to get the forwards down to 12 but trading Jarnkrok (or Kampf) works for me as well.

Rafai and Meyer had a very good game. First call ups if they pass waivers.

Liljegren looks unenthused, no urgency. Very disappointed. They will probably let him try to play his way to being better at his contract and cap hit.

Treliving has a few moves to make. Timmins should either make the team or get traded because he’ll be snapped up on waivers.

I think they are hiding Murray because another good game and he would be gone on waivers too. Probably will get claimed anyway.

We are going to lose one or two regular NhL players for nothing and people will moan. But Lorentz and Robertson have been excellent. They have to replace someone.

I have been saying for a while and I still don't even know if it is possible, but not signing Lorentz (or even Pacioretty) right away is a lever we have to manage the cap in the early season before injuries hit. I do wonder why neither PTO has signed yet.

I would also waive Reaves to gain cap and roster flexibility.
 

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I have been saying for a while and I still don't even know if it is possible, but not signing Lorentz (or even Pacioretty) right away is a lever we have to manage the cap in the early season before injuries hit. I do wonder why neither PTO has signed yet.

I would also waive Reaves to gain cap and roster flexibility.

Someone ..cough Lily... cough .... will pull a groin or a toenail or a hangnail and be out long term - 2 to 3 months on LTIR .... and poof all of a sudden we have LTIR cap relief...
 
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conFABulator

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Someone ..cough Lily... cough .... will pull a groin or a toenail or a hangnail and be out long term - 2 to 3 months on LTIR .... and poof all of a sudden we have LTIR cap relief...
Yeah. I don't see why Lily does that. He needs ice time here or somewhere else. I think the player that does this needs to be onboard with the decision.

I am not a Lilly hater at all, but we should just try to move him. I don't really see what the upside is. He is already making $3M a year and not a solid top four by any stretch. If over the next two years he develops into one it will line up with UFA and then we are paying him five or six million a year.

We should pull a Sandin and move him out for value and never miss him.
 
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ACC1224

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Is there a list of all the players left at the main camp? Just wondering how many more they need to trim.
 

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Dewar still still get a game in. Kampf looked competent last night and played his typical game (ignoring Cap implications). Jarnkrok looks like his typical self, shot a perfect crease front pass into the goalies glove.

Locks:
Matthews
Nylander
Marner
Tavares
Robertson
Lorentz
Holmberg

Should be lock's but not showing it:
Knies
McMann

Meh but will probably make the team:
Pacioretty
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Reeves

Odd man out: Dewar

Back to Junior: Cowan

They should probably waive Reeves to get the forwards down to 12 but trading Jarnkrok (or Kampf) works for me as well.

Rafai and Meyer had a very good game. First call ups if they pass waivers.

Liljegren looks unenthused, no urgency. Very disappointed. They will probably let him try to play his way to being better at his contract and cap hit.

Treliving has a few moves to make. Timmins should either make the team or get traded because he’ll be snapped up on waivers.

I think they are hiding Murray because another good game and he would be gone on waivers too. Probably will get claimed anyway.

We are going to lose one or two regular NhL players for nothing and people will moan. But Lorentz and Robertson have been excellent. They have to replace someone.

Dewar is better than Kampf, imo. Kampf is a must to get rid of before opening night. I'd take Lorentz also way before Kampf.
 

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I don't think Kampf is a bad player, but if trading him meant we can keep an extra body or two on the roster it makes us better. Us with Dewar + robertson + Patches are a better team than us with Kampf

I agree he is not a bad player, but I feel like he is so bland. I agree, us with Dewar + Robertson + Patches makes us a better team.
 

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I agree he is not a bad player, but I feel like he is so bland. I agree, us with Dewar + Robertson + Patches makes us a better team.

To be fair to Kampf, that's not exactly a proportional comparison.
Patches is expected to be around 1.1. Dewar is 1.18. Combined that is basically Kampf's 2.4
It's not all 3 players vs Kampf.
 
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Yeah. I don't see why Lily does that. He needs ice time here or somewhere else. I think the player that does this needs to be onboard with the decision.

I am not a Lilly hater at all, but we should just try to move him. I don't really see what the upside is. He is already making $3M a year and not a solid top four by any stretch. If over the next two years he develops into one it will line up with UFA and then we are paying him five or six million a year.

We should pull a Sandin and move him out for value and never miss him.

I think Lily is the obvious guy on D, to your point 3 mil for a 6-7 defender on a team that is so tight to the cap makes little sense. Guys like Reaves, Kampft and Jarnkrok could be targets too, Kampft at this point is a #4 center making over league min on the 4th line. Jarnkrok being able to play up and down in the lineup and being able to play all 3 fwd positions is somewhat more valuable. Reaves is over paid for 4th line duties but was signed by Tree, unlikely Tree signs a guy and a year later waives him, I think him being over 35 the contract still impacts the cap if he is waived, maybe Reaves trips on a pebble and is out 6 months with a stubbed toe? Why would Lily do it? Bubble guys rarely have any leverage, they do what the team says or they are put in hockey purgatory... maybe Lily is promised an amateur scouting job for life back in Sweden - when the hockey days are over a lot of these athletes have no after hockey plan to make money.
 
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I would like to see up front
Knies AM MM
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Patches Domi Holmberg
McMann Lorentz Jarnkrok
Reaves
IR - Dewar
Junior - Cowan
Trade - Kampf

During year trade Jarnkrok+ for a better 3C and slide Holmberg to 4th line and Domi to the wing. A few of those guys on 2nd and 3rd line can slide around. They could also keep Kampf and buy time if Jarnkrok can also go on LTIR.
 

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