Arvidsson is day to day in Kings speak so he probably won't be back until mid November.
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Alright so they might play a forward short a game or two. What's the big deal? Is it that much different than playing an enforcer 4 minutes a night which was common some years back? Things could have been better for sure but it's not the end of the world.
A new season is about to start, the Kings have a pretty good roster all things considered and many posters here seem absolutely miserable about it.
A new season is about to start, the Kings have a pretty good roster all things considered and many posters here seem absolutely miserable about it.
tigermask48
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Not gonna lie, I love seeing this immediately blow up in Blake's face.
When the PLD trade happened and the speculation of the Kings carrying less players began, my first thought was "they don't actually think THIS team that seems to always have players banged up missing games is going to stay healthy all year."
RJ just going scorched earth today. Lol.
When the PLD trade happened and the speculation of the Kings carrying less players began, my first thought was "they don't actually think THIS team that seems to always have players banged up missing games is going to stay healthy all year."
RJ just going scorched earth today. Lol.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Oh thank goodness, I am reassured
we are now being compared to the never-playoffs Senators and the perpetually mismanaged Oilers
This is not the flex you think it was
Chazz Reinhold
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Not sure what that changes about the effects of a stagnant cap playing out on numerous teams (including but not limited to the Kings). I guess it is a great way of avoiding acknowledging that the cap is affecting how many teams open this season (e.g., at least 14 other teams carrying a roster short of 23 players to start the season, multiple teams at risk of playing shorthanded, etc.) If anything, your sarcastic response impliedly makes the case for the Dubois trade you don’t like considering the Kings got worked down the middle running Kopitar/Danault/Lizotte as the top 3 centers.
bland
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You mean the team that has actually won some series, has two of the best players in the world in their prime is taking risks to win a Cup?
Compare that to a team overstuffed with B-level players that hasn't won a series in 9 years, with only 6 playoff games won in that span, with a #1c and #1d older than the Genesis who were completely gassed by Game 2 in the opening round?
The "effect" here is the most LA thing imaginable: maxing out the credit cards to slap a pair of giant implants on a 55 year old trophy wife.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I mean if you can't see the difference between starting the season with 22/23 and starting with 17 skaters while leaving your two best OFD off the roster because you were too chickenshit to waive your 28 year old AHL journeyman and you're trying to sneak one of your only two goalies with a save % nominally over .900 into the minors there's not much to be said
kingskring
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so much bickering lol..
everyone take a puff and relax lol
everyone take a puff and relax lol
tigermask48
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If you cut a couple inches off your own dick, would you say "What's the big deal, still not bad all things considered." or MAYBE might you think "Man I f***ed up"?
Chazz Reinhold
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It’s not a “flex”; it’s a fact that plenty of teams are running into issues due to several years of no cap growth. I know you don’t want to acknowledge that because you’re on a mission to be mad about how the Kings are starting the year but it’s true.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I mean I think I've earned some equity here as a guy over the years who was a persistent optimist and pretty forgiving of issues
The reason I'm relentlessly negative now is that Blake just KEEPS making the same mistakes and same lack of vision without learning a god damn thing and without addressing weaknesses we've seen for years but everyone defending him keeps acting like it's one oopsie in a vacuum rather than a systematic pattern of the same god damn errors. Like it doesn't take a rocket scientist, several of us have detailed the hell out of these issues and seen them coming 2-3 years ahead of time each time, this cap thing is more of a NO SHIT SHERLOCK WEVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE LAST OFFSEASON so that's why it's so unacceptable.
I'm sorry to be combative but you're not changing my mind, he is out of rope for me.
There's a wide gap between starting a season with no roster holes and one sub short and...this mess the Kings are surfing thru. You refuse to acknowledge that because you want to paint half the league with one brush, 'look everyone is up against the cap' without any attention to actual individual impacts.
The reason I'm relentlessly negative now is that Blake just KEEPS making the same mistakes and same lack of vision without learning a god damn thing and without addressing weaknesses we've seen for years but everyone defending him keeps acting like it's one oopsie in a vacuum rather than a systematic pattern of the same god damn errors. Like it doesn't take a rocket scientist, several of us have detailed the hell out of these issues and seen them coming 2-3 years ahead of time each time, this cap thing is more of a NO SHIT SHERLOCK WEVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE LAST OFFSEASON so that's why it's so unacceptable.
I'm sorry to be combative but you're not changing my mind, he is out of rope for me.
There's a wide gap between starting a season with no roster holes and one sub short and...this mess the Kings are surfing thru. You refuse to acknowledge that because you want to paint half the league with one brush, 'look everyone is up against the cap' without any attention to actual individual impacts.
I mean this is closer to shaving your pubes than cutting off inches from the tip. Playing a forward short and potentially having Spence in Ontario for one or two games is likely to be inconsequential.
It's ridiculous what's going on here. I get not being happy with what Blake is doing. I don't think he's knocking it out of the park either but I think the anger should at least be somewhat proportional to the complaint.
Axl Rhoadz
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When exactly was this, 2012?
Yeah, you'd think we could at least start the season first and get a couple of losses in before the start of doomsday-HF Boards 23-24 begins.
Imagine how strange it will be if the Kings start off well but the only things that are posted are how horrible the team and management is..
johnjm22
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Yeah I don't really see what the big deal is either.
Kings put themselves in a tight cap spot to make the PLD trade work. They're not the first, nor the last. In the playoffs there's no salary cap to worry about.
I think the current roster is a lot of fun and I look forward to watching it.
tigermask48
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You realize "plenty of teams are doing it" doesn't really excuse the Kings at all from people's complaints. It just means many teams are handling the cap poorly. It doesn't make it suddenly OK when 1/3 of the league has cap issues. It means 1/3 of the league is running things poorly, which seems about right.
I think the Kings should be held to a higher standard than "everyone else does it".
Schrute farms
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There you go with the same agenda and theme. Nevermind the fact that the team has no chance to bring up a rookie because AK34 is suspended and Arvi is hurt. But you do you....blinders and all.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
But again, this isn't just an 'oh no we're starting a forward short' because we've been a contending team and shuffling parts around before the season starts.
This is we've had several years plus this offseason to figure out goaltending as well as roster spots for kids and wellllll...we've tried nothing and we're all out of options. The other teams that are being referenced as 'cap trouble' aren't just figuring things out on the fly. They aren't hanging on to an AHL journeyman when they have a kid sitting right there. They aren't trying to sneak a .901 goalie to the AHL because they're petrified that their other two goalies are a shade below and above .900. They aren't losing NHL ready forwards on waivers before seeing what they've got in them. They aren't casting off AN ENTIRE DECADE of 1st and 2nd round picks.
Two problems here is that people are 1. acting like it's the WHOLE issue rather than a symptom of our overall complaints and 2. minimizing it like 'lol all teams have that issue,' that's like defending Randy Jones' defensive play with 'so what, even nik lidstrom gets walked'.
These guys have had 5 years, unlimited resources, and an inherited championship pedigree. I'm not going to apologize for wanting more than "well 33% of the other teams suck at this too (even though the vast majority are handling it better)."
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The difference is those other teams like the Oilers are at least legit contenders which is why they have to play the cap game all season. What have the Kings gotten for all their trouble and sacrifices to scratch out a bit of cap space by the dollar? A roster that is generally considered a noncontending member of the mushy middle that could mayyyybe be a dark-horse surprise contender if our young stud on D breaks out, who is now 3rd in line for a call-up from the AHL. This makes sense considering Blake explicitly said Nashville was the model that management was aspiring to be. We're the new Preds.
Axl Rhoadz
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
They will outscore a lot of their self-inflicted issues all year.
Sol
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Ok no offense that’s a pretty disingenuous portrayal of the team. Inarguably the best part of the Kings team is the offense. The defense is average to a little below average, and the goaltending is one of the worst in the league. Rather than make over simplistic comments which displays blatant ignorance, try to put forth an honest engagement in the conversation.
kingskring
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Honestly, the frustration is valid and the argument that the sky isn't necessarily falling (yet) is also valid.
It's messy and it's bad management for sure. However, they'll also probably be fine especially given it's likely just for a game or two. Both sides have valid points.
But at this point, being critical of management is totally reasonable. The Kings didn't HAVE to go out and bet the farm on Dubois. Their forward group was pretty damn good to begin with and acquiring Dubois didn't really address any of the team's obvious needs. Plus doing so has objectively led to a much worse cap situation (and goaltending situation) than they needed to be in.
I'm still pumped to watch this team, and think we have a pretty sick squad... But at the same time there are some very serious concerns here and questionable (at best) management decisions.
Ultimately, we'll probably have to say 'goodbye' to one of Arvidsson/Roy, some good young prospects, and some picks to try to fix the goaltending situation that management themselves created. That sucks. And was super avoidable. Things like that and this whole 11F, 6D situation are why people are rightfully frustrated/upset/disappointed.
It's messy and it's bad management for sure. However, they'll also probably be fine especially given it's likely just for a game or two. Both sides have valid points.
But at this point, being critical of management is totally reasonable. The Kings didn't HAVE to go out and bet the farm on Dubois. Their forward group was pretty damn good to begin with and acquiring Dubois didn't really address any of the team's obvious needs. Plus doing so has objectively led to a much worse cap situation (and goaltending situation) than they needed to be in.
I'm still pumped to watch this team, and think we have a pretty sick squad... But at the same time there are some very serious concerns here and questionable (at best) management decisions.
Ultimately, we'll probably have to say 'goodbye' to one of Arvidsson/Roy, some good young prospects, and some picks to try to fix the goaltending situation that management themselves created. That sucks. And was super avoidable. Things like that and this whole 11F, 6D situation are why people are rightfully frustrated/upset/disappointed.
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