GDT: Training Camp 2023

[Schrute farms]

People are overreacting to 4 games, it's 2 games.

No, it's 4 games. 2 regular season games and 2 preseason games. But still 4 games -- only 2 of which are RS games.

 

[King'sPawn]

No, it's 4 games. 2 regular season games and 2 preseason games. But still 4 games -- only 2 of which are RS games.

Yep. I know preseason doesn't count towards the standings, but getting reps in, especially with trying to figure out his new linemates with Fiala and PLD, is pretty important.

 

[chris kontos]

No, it's 4 games. 2 regular season games and 2 preseason games. But still 4 games -- only 2 of which are RS games.

THE ONLY PLACE that 2+2=2 is this board.
Right herby?
Jeezus fing christ

People are overreacting to 4 games, it's 2 games.

2+2=2
OK HERBIE
JFC





Im out

 

[YP44]

If playoff games count as double for suspension length than preseason should be at least half. I view it as 2.2 games

 

[Herby]

THE ONLY PLACE that 2+2=2 is this board.
Right herby?
Jeezus fing christ


2+2=2
OK HERBIE
JFC





Im out

Geez you seem pretty angry over this, damn.

They wanted to suspend him 2 regular season games, and they did.

Ppl are comparing this to past 4 game suspensions hits, and that’s ludicrous, the league whether you agree or disagree basically views pre-season games as worthless (other than collecting regular season ticket prices from STH’s).

I would have preferred 1 game (or 3 games for you), but the hit was definitely not one you want to see happening.

 

[King'sPawn]

Geez you seem pretty angry over this, damn.

They wanted to suspend him 2 regular season games, and they did.

Ppl are comparing this to past 4 game suspensions hits, and that’s ludicrous, the league whether you agree or disagree basically views pre-season games as worthless (other than collecting regular season ticket prices from STH’s).

I would have preferred 1 game (or 3 games for you), but the hit was definitely not one you want to see happening.

Last year the NHL didn't have any issues suspending players for just 2 preseason games. They did it to Melanson and Doty. One was for an illegal check to the head.

In 2018, the NHL suspended Max Domi for the rest of preseason.

So apparently the NHL thinks preseason means more than you do.

It's 4 games.

 

[bland]

I can see a justifucation for the regular season games being included simply because its not uncommon for players to sit out preseason games anyway.

I would be interested to know if this affects the players compensation any differently. Do all players on the preseason roster get paid the same whether they play in the games or not?

Is it the NHL portion of their salaries during camp if they are on a two-way deal and haven't been sent down?

If the point is to punish Kaliyev, it makes so much more sense to include the regular season games.

 

[Herby]

Last year the NHL didn't have any issues suspending players for just 2 preseason games. They did it to Melanson and Doty. One was for an illegal check to the head.

In 2018, the NHL suspended Max Domi for the rest of preseason.

So apparently the NHL thinks preseason means more than you do.

It's 4 games.

So you think had this happened in Australia that he gets no regular season games?

You think if a player throws a cheap shot in the first pre-season game that would warrant a 5 game suspension in January that a 5-game suspension in pre-season is fair?

If Kaliyev had been injured on a cheap shot by a Ducks regular, that normally results in. 2 game regular season suspension is given 2 pre-season games, you think people here are ok with it? I’m guessing missed reps is replaced by “doesn’t miss any real games” , “slap on the wrist”.

Cheap shots in the pre-season should be penalized in the regular season. Can they push back a suspension, like say he’s suspended for the first 2 games of the season. Or do suspensions have to start right away? I’m not sure.

 

[All The Kings Men]

I can see a justifucation for the regular season games being included simply because its not uncommon for players to sit out preseason games anyway.

I would be interested to know if this affects the players compensation any differently. Do all players on the preseason roster get paid the same whether they play in the games or not?

Is it the NHL portion of their salaries during camp if they are on a two-way deal and haven't been sent down?

If the point is to punish Kaliyev, it makes so much more sense to include the regular season games.

To the best of my knowledge NHL paychecks apply to days that fall within the NHL regular season.

BUT I can't swear to that and I'll try and sniff out the actual answer

 

[King'sPawn]

So you think had this happened in Australia that he gets no regular season games?

Yes. If this happened in Australia, they might say, at worst, the rest of preseason. If this happened in Australia, you think he'd get 6 games (4 preseason + 2 regular)?

You think if a player throws a cheap shot in the first pre-season game that would warrant a 5 game suspension in January that a 5-game suspension in pre-season is fair?

Yes. A player that throws a cheap shot in preseason should be punished just as much as the regular season just as much as they should be punished in postseason. This "games that matter more get less of a punishment" is bullshit, because the recipient of a headbutt, spear, knee, etc feels the effect during postseason play. What kind of f***ing joke punishes something for 1 game, because playoff games mean more?

If Kaliyev had been injured on a cheap shot by a Ducks regular, that normally results in. 2 game regular season suspension is given 2 pre-season games, you think people here are ok with it? I’m guessing missed reps is replaced by “doesn’t miss any real games” , “slap on the wrist”.

There was literally a video of Doughty getting a knee and having there be no suspension. If the roles were reversed and someone was punished for just preseason, sure I'd be pissed. But I wouldn't think it was unfair. I would want the league to start punishing this behavior more consistently. I don't think they are going to suspend future knees four games the same way they did to Kaliyev though. Not because of an inherent league bias, but because of explicit incompetency by the Department of Player Safety.

If all knees of this caliber get a 4-game suspension, no complaint from me. But they won't. And THAT'S the biggest problem. I still think, kneeing penalties considered, this one is tame and not worthy of a suspension based on the history of suspensions levied.

Pre-, regular, and postseason all serve different functionalities, but they should all be treated the same as far as value. I bet you'd see some dirty shit drop pretty quick if players started getting 4 game suspensions in the playoffs.

 

[Herby]

Yes. If this happened in Australia, they might say, at worst, the rest of preseason. If this happened in Australia, you think he'd get 6 games (4 preseason + 2 regular)?



Yes. A player that throws a cheap shot in preseason should be punished just as much as the regular season just as much as they should be punished in postseason. This "games that matter more get less of a punishment" is bullshit, because the recipient of a headbutt, spear, knee, etc feels the effect during postseason play. What kind of f***ing joke punishes something for 1 game, because playoff games mean more?



There was literally a video of Doughty getting a knee and having there be no suspension. If the roles were reversed and someone was punished for just preseason, sure I'd be pissed. But I wouldn't think it was unfair. I would want the league to start punishing this behavior more consistently. I don't think they are going to suspend future knees four games the same way they did to Kaliyev though. Not because of an inherent league bias, but because of explicit incompetency by the Department of Player Safety.

If all knees of this caliber get a 4-game suspension, no complaint from me. But they won't. And THAT'S the biggest problem. I still think, kneeing penalties considered, this one is tame and not worthy of a suspension based on the history of suspensions levied.

Pre-, regular, and postseason all serve different functionalities, but they should all be treated the same as far as value. I bet you'd see some dirty shit drop pretty quick if players started getting 4 game suspensions in the playoffs.

I don’t know the rules on whether suspensions can be started in the regular season (NFL does this but not sure on NHL). If he threw a hit that warranted a 2 game regular season suspension in Australia I would expect him to serve a 2 game regular season suspension. If the CBA rules dictate all pre-season games have to be included to get to said regular season game, then yes, I would support that, although I think there should rules where you can’t start a suspension until the regular season.

I don’t believe post season hits should warrant less suspensions, I was loudly calling for Kadri to get suspended for as long as he would have in the regular season. I thought DD suspension in 2018 was warranted when the “but playoff games” thing was being used here not to suspend him. I just don’t see how preseason suspensions are any kind of deterrent, the players don’t miss a game check and they miss a game they probably don’t even want to play in. The level of hockey in the pre-season is noticeably less, and it’s not just because the talent level is bad. The players just aren’t giving 100%.

 

[tny760]

the receipts are all there for anyone who wants to see, scoutingtherefs keeps all suspensions and fines logged

even if you devalue the preseason games, any 2 game kneeing suspensions are WAY more malicious than this and there are countless 1-2 game suspensions for blatant driveby headshots. all sorts of precedent for kneeing minors getting little more than a fine. archibald sending his entire body at stanley's knee only got 1

it's utter nonsense to act like 2+2 is normal or okay for this, i'm sorry

 

[deaderhead28]

THE ONLY PLACE that 2+2=2 is this board.
Right herby?
Jeezus fing christ


2+2=2
OK HERBIE
JFC





Im out

Cause in reality it is 2 games. The other two games are pre season and meaningless. Kings will have to juggle a already short roster during his 2 regular game suspension.

 

[Fishhead]

Guessing the only reason it's so harsh is because it's the beginning of the year and it's a setting the tone or making an example thing.

Lame, but whatever. Just roll 12F/6D/2G for two games, it's not like it's difficult to call someone up. The only drawback is if someone is hurt in warmups or close to game time, you can't swap them out and it would be like an in-game injury.

On the plus side, good to see Arty adding some goon to his game.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think I said it in the Kaliyev thread not here but the reason I'm steamed about it is the complete lack of a glance at the knees on Doughty and Fiala last year by Haakanpaa and Cogliano. It's not because Kaliyev didn't make a reckless play, I'm not defending that, I'm simply saying in comparison to other incidents it's a very heavy handed suspension.

Like @Fishhead says I want to believe that it's because it's the beginning of the year and they want to send a message but they had no problem ignoring Trouba trying to glue Toffoli's face to the stanchion so it's hard to think this is a "this is how it's gonna be now" move.

From a training camp standpoint it's pretty wild the ripple effect that has on the roster and exposing the lack of cap maneuverability haha.

 

[Fishhead]

I think I said it in the Kaliyev thread not here but the reason I'm steamed about it is the complete lack of a glance at the knees on Doughty and Fiala last year by Haakanpaa and Cogliano. It's not because Kaliyev didn't make a reckless play, I'm not defending that, I'm simply saying in comparison to other incidents it's a very heavy handed suspension.

Like @Fishhead says I want to believe that it's because it's the beginning of the year and they want to send a message but they had no problem ignoring Trouba trying to glue Toffoli's face to the stanchion so it's hard to think this is a "this is how it's gonna be now" move.

From a training camp standpoint it's pretty wild the ripple effect that has on the roster and exposing the lack of cap maneuverability haha.

DOPS is about as consistent as a 4 year old.

Gotta poop? "nope". You sure? "yes". 5 minutes later when the kid craps their pants.... I just asked you if you had to go! "Well, that was 5 minutes ago. Things are different now"

They just make shit up as they go along.

 

[bland]

To the best of my knowledge NHL paychecks apply to days that fall within the NHL regular season.

BUT I can't swear to that and I'll try and sniff out the actual answer

Thank you!

 

[Schrute farms]

On the plus side, good to see Arty adding some goon to his game.

History that would have changed if the current regime of LA Kings were in charge:

We like you Leonardo da Vinci, but think you'd succeed better as a singer.​

You got some interesting ideas Thomas Edison, but instead let's have you work as an Accountant.​

Shakespeare, you write some good stuff but let's have you be an Engineer.​

George Washington, you're a decent leader of men, but imagine what you can do running a bakery.​

Einstein, kinda smart sure, but what we really need is a gardener for our big yard.​

 

[regulate]

To the best of my knowledge NHL paychecks apply to days that fall within the NHL regular season.

BUT I can't swear to that and I'll try and sniff out the actual answer

I'm almost positive that this is correct.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Delete

 

[King'sPawn]

To the best of my knowledge NHL paychecks apply to days that fall within the NHL regular season.

BUT I can't swear to that and I'll try and sniff out the actual answer

I'm almost positive that this is correct.

This is my understanding as well. Players don't get paid for preseason or playoff games. I just don't remember if players get paid bi-weekly whether or not it's the regular season (for example, I'm not sure if Kaliyev was still getting paychecks in August).

 

[FromChaos22]

Todd extended

 

[bland]

This is my understanding as well. Players don't get paid for preseason or playoff games. I just don't remember if players get paid bi-weekly whether or not it's the regular season (for example, I'm not sure if Kaliyev was still getting paychecks in August).

This being the case, there would be zero ramifications to preseason suspensions. A kid gets a couple of extra bigger looks, but no financial harm to the perpetrator.

 

[King'sPawn]

This being the case, there would be zero ramifications to preseason suspensions. A kid gets a couple of extra bigger looks, but no financial harm to the perpetrator.

A league should not factor financial impact when dishing out punishment. Because then stars who commit the same infraction may get less of a suspension due to the bigger financial impact.

 

[kingsfan28]

Who on the current roster are waiver exempt?