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GDT: Training Camp 2022
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Yup. Holland has been beating a dead horse about young players being ready and if they aren't then send them down. He said there's no point in having them playing 5 minutes a game at the bottom of the roster and basically forcing them onto the team. Broberg is not ready. Plain and simple. And that's pretty much a fact at this point. Before some of you get all huffy about it no, I'm not saying he's a bad player. He will be the future but as of this present time it's not his time yet.
Niemelainen is more ready than Broberg. Whether he can nab a spot remains to be seen but I have him over Broberg and quite frankly it's not even close.
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I'll never get bored watching McDavid just skate and stickhandle. It's like he operates without friction.
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That’s the way I see it as well. I have been impressed with Benson I must say. He has gained a step or 2 in his speed. I thought he was trade bait but I think we have something there now. He gets in your face
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Agree with everything typed here. I'd also like to add that often coaching/management has an idea of who to look at just via the practice drills/scrimmage games etc and the players who do better in those will tend to get longer looks for in game action.
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Which is why it was totally the wrong move to let broberg stay in sweden for two more years, where he got low minutes and did not play in all situations. Broberg was drafted by Hamilton in the ohl and would have been far better off playing gobs of minutes in all situations on a junior team.
Broberg will go down but will be back up quick if one of our dmen gets hurt. He'll be an NHL Dmn but I do not see a really good long term dman in him.
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They could have at least made them glowy Lego bricks instead
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It would be a great day to announce Virtanen released from PTO and Demers is on waivers after signing a 1yr 2-way deal to go to Bakersfield.
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Just watched some of the highlights. Appears that Samorukov started the rush on 2 of the goals last night and wasn't on the ice for any against. Can't ask for much more then that from a young stay at home dman.
Does anyone know how many players are actually still at camp?
From the fishing pic it looked like 29 but i'm sure there are some injuries and such.
From the fishing pic it looked like 29 but i'm sure there are some injuries and such.
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Pretty sure he has already been sent down, I thought I saw his name on a list of players that had been cut.
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Jimmi McJenkins
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Would still be a great day to do this. Also hilarious the way Virtanen was cropped out of Kane's fishing photos
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Samourkov has been good in his last two games. Few gaffs and solid if unspectacular. He has been mostly invisible in the way that is good for defensemen.
Right at this moment for me Niem > Murray > Samourukov > Demers > Broberg
For the record tho, besides Niem, there just hasn't been a standout defenseman for those last couple spots. The difference between even Niem and Broberg really isn't "that" much. We have used Broberg at the Nhl level and he wasn't an extreme liability and he has shown the worst of the bunch rather obviously IMO so far overall.
Niem played well in the NHL last year IMO and has been the best defenseman in preseason to date. He would be who I would start the season out with to give the team the best chance to win. But whether its Niem or Murray or Broberg... etc... It is our #6/7 spots we are talking about. If you need to take a risk on a spot for a player that is the place to do it.
Sounds like they may "have" to have Broberg on the roster to start the season. Maybe it just makes sense that you play him a game and see how he does in an actual game after all the practice of preseason. Maybe he takes the ball and run with it. If that is the case I fully expect he will be on a short leash. Maybe one and done for the year if he does not perform well.
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Any lineup notes tonight? Mainly AHL guys in Abbotsford? Oilers always seem slow releasing the lineup.
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I agree that Niemelainan has had the best camp of the rookie defensemen. And that he likely slots best as a bottom pair d on a largely finesse based NHL d-corp. Love the player! I'd parse out Murray and Demers in the competition. Murray's a sure thing 7th defender and insurance package. Demers maybe farms out as a quality pro's pro who can support and mentor the Bakersfield kids (if he is offered a two way deal and wants to stay in the organization).
We know Broberg will be on the NHL roster to maximize Oilers cap flexibility. The coach has a long read on Broberg so projecting that he might only get a "one and done" scenario defies reality of how the coach and management view this player.
A summary of Broberg's first NHL recall, early in his North American pro time, and as age 20 defender, shows a pretty solid debut notable is four games in a huge away game at rival Vegas. @Fourier debunked some of the +/- criticism showing highlights of his December 7th -2 game against the Wild have no bearing on the goals against.
Broberg is 3 years younger than Niemelainan, 2 years younger than Samaroukov, even 1 year younger than Kesselring. I anticipate Niemelainan and Broberg to play a lot of NHL games this year with waiver protection and the different elements and differing ceilings they offer this organization. Unfortunately I fear Samaroukov may get snagged in waivers.
Onboarding as an NHL defenseman is damn hard. Trying to do it on a team priming for its winning window makes it even harder. Broberg needs to continue to get physically stronger, sharpen his decision making speed (which comes through experience - Bouchard is a good example of that growth).
This team finally has quality young defensemen ready to contribute.
| Home/Away | Date | Game | Points | Ice Time | +/- | Goalie | Team | O-zone starts |
| H | Nov 20 | Oilers 5 Hawks 2 | 1 A | 14:24 | +1 | Skinner | Nurse out | 44.4% OZ |
| R | Nov 23 | Dallas 4 Oilers 1 | 0 | 18:59 | -2 | Skinner | Nurse out, Keith 10 min | 15.4% OZ |
| R | Nov 24 | Oilers 5 Arizona 3 | 0 | 18:59 | -2 | Skinner | Nurse, Keith out | 40% OZ |
| R | Nov 27 | Oilers 3 Vegas 2 | 0 | 23:34 | -1 | Koskinen | Nurse, Keith out | 42.9% OZ |
| H | Dec 1 | Oilers 5 Pens 2 | 0 | 13:07 | -1 | Koskinen | Nurse, Keith out | 60% OZ |
| R | Dec 3 | Kraken 4 Oilers 3 | 0 | 12:20 | -1 | Skinner | Nurse, Keith out | 100% OZ |
| H | Dec 5 | Kings 5 Oilers 1 | 0 | 10:25 | -1 | Koskinen | Nurse back, Keith out | 14.3% OZ |
| H | Dec 7 | Wild 4 Oilers 1 | 9 | 10:18 | -2 | Koskinen | Nurse, Keith return | 75% OZ |
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Your ranking made me curious so I decided to run the scoring chance numbers for each defenceman this pre-season. Hard to fully judge with the variance in rosters but...
Broberg 3 games 10-9
Demers 3 games 10-25
Murray 3 games 13-16
Niemelainen 4 games 12-32
Samorukov 4 games 17-13
Demers, Niemelainen, Murray and Samo were in that Calgary game where they were dominated.
My opinion is Demers is not even close to NHL quality anymore and Niems probably isn't ready either but quality of roster maybe played into both. Samo surprisingly looks quality from this surviving that Calgary game quite well. Broberg hard to say with the easier teams but solid enough. Murray we know is probably a solid bottom pair or #7.
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