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GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread

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will1066 said:
Which makes Fox that much more of a revelation last year. Dude came out like blue lightning and was flawless for a good 60 games.
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And Fox is a good example of someone who surpassed a lot of expectations around the league, including the Rangers. So those things do happen, and they are good things. VERY good things.
 
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Edge said:
And Fox is a good example of someone who surpassed a lot of expectations around the league, including the Rangers. So those things do happen, and they are good things. VERY good things.
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Agreed. Yet, so good that you are expecting a sophomore jinx inevitably. Which I hope not.
 
The thing with Miller and his newness to the position is, it's always mentioned yet so many people seem to then gloss over it like it's just a cool factoid or something. The reality is he's 20 and about to jump straight from the NCAA to the NHL, which is impressive in its own right; but when he was a sophomore in high school--something we're literally only separated from by four seasons of hockey--he was still playing forward.

Defenseman tend to peak a couple years later than forwards due to the learning curve of the position. Consider that a kid who started playing defense in Mites or Peewee, by age 20, has been playing the position for 8-12 years or more. That means most top defenseman at this point have 2-3 times the experience that Miller does. That's an enormous gap between Miller and his peers, and yet he's still a standout at the position. It really speaks volumes about his aptitude and natural ability that he is able to play at such a high level despite what is actually extremely limited experience.
 
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Kords said:
Lafreniere getting props for that nice pass to Chytil, but Fil did well to bury that shot too. If they stick together, I see Chytil getting chances like that often. I think he'll have a great year.
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It was Chytil who clowned Reunanen too just earlier on that goal, no?
 
Kords said:
I've watched that clip like 50 times and have only barely made out the last few seconds...
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I know it was Reunanen who futilely tried a reach check on Laf as he dished cross ice back to Chytil for the one-timer.

Edit: yes, Chytil clowned Reunanen
 
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So for all intents and purposes it's looking like Laf, Miller, and Barron will be the three sticking around with the big club. That's cool.

The thing with Miller is while he may still be new to the position if he keeps it simple and relies on his pure athleticism and intelligence for year one, he should be fine. Just basically be the opposite of Skjei and don't try to turn into some Bobby Orr/Paul Coffey hybrid. Martin will also help him.

Bummer that neither Reuenanen or Gettinger or doing much but this is not a normal camp so nothing wrong with going to the AHL. Hajek seems like he might be taxi squad material.

Barron is very valuable and hopefully one of those guys who gets moved all over the place. It will be nice if him/Lemiuex/Howden can form a partnership and add in Rooney and all of those guys can PK. Having your bottom six be effective PKers and keep the top six fresh is valuable. I would still like to see Kreider get integrated as a PKer and Chytil seems like that will be in his future when he's a little older.
 
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I could see Barron having a good camp but still not "making it" because of the familiarity with Howden
Could see Barron on the taxi squad to start but in the lineup in a hurry if they feel they want a change

Very interesting how high they are on Miller..kinda worried this is gonna be a situation where we're all hyped then see him in game action and are underwhelmed because he isn't really ready yet, but the coaches are just excited at how close he is for a guy with his experience and skills
 
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EdJovanovski said:
So that leaves PP2 as

Lafreniere - Chytil - Kakko/Buchnevich
Trouba - Fox

I'd want to swap Strome with Kakko, Buch or Laf. Handedness isn't balanced enough between the two
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Agreed! I knew he was gonna go with Strome on the first pp unit.
Well sure bet is to take the under on Lafreniere and Kakko points this year because it seems like they will be getting about 10-15 seconds of leftover on the pp.
 
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bl02 said:
Yep just in time for game time in a week. Amazing he is gonna miss the entire camp.
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Wonder what the whole story behind this is. Kinkaid is in the same situation right? And another player?
 
Levitate said:
Wonder what the whole story behind this is. Kinkaid is in the same situation right? And another player?
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Yeah apparently during regular season players with covid will be identified but not during camp. So it's still all speculation but looks like Quarantining or he has covid/Quarantining.
Kinkaid and Justin Richards same situation seems like.
 
nyr2k2 said:
The thing with Miller and his newness to the position is, it's always mentioned yet so many people seem to then gloss over it like it's just a cool factoid or something. The reality is he's 20 and about to jump straight from the NCAA to the NHL, which is impressive in its own right; but when he was a sophomore in high school--something we're literally only separated from by four seasons of hockey--he was still playing forward.

Defenseman tend to peak a couple years later than forwards due to the learning curve of the position. Consider that a kid who started playing defense in Mites or Peewee, by age 20, has been playing the position for 8-12 years or more. That means most top defenseman at this point have 2-3 times the experience that Miller does. That's an enormous gap between Miller and his peers, and yet he's still a standout at the position. It really speaks volumes about his aptitude and natural ability that he is able to play at such a high level despite what is actually extremely limited experience.
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This is an excellent point and very true. There is a tremendous amount of growth left in his game. So if he is ready and shows well now, we may have a really special player in the future
 
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nyr2k2 said:
The thing with Miller and his newness to the position is, it's always mentioned yet so many people seem to then gloss over it like it's just a cool factoid or something. The reality is he's 20 and about to jump straight from the NCAA to the NHL, which is impressive in its own right; but when he was a sophomore in high school--something we're literally only separated from by four seasons of hockey--he was still playing forward.

Defenseman tend to peak a couple years later than forwards due to the learning curve of the position. Consider that a kid who started playing defense in Mites or Peewee, by age 20, has been playing the position for 8-12 years or more. That means most top defenseman at this point have 2-3 times the experience that Miller does. That's an enormous gap between Miller and his peers, and yet he's still a standout at the position. It really speaks volumes about his aptitude and natural ability that he is able to play at such a high level despite what is actually extremely limited experience.
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It's funny, for me those two reasons are exactly why I think there's going to be some growing pains that fans struggle with , and that his ultimate place will occupy a unique space that maybe doesn't quite match what some people may envision at this stage (both on offense or defense) and instead see him occupy a place in conversations that isn't altogether that different than the ones that have followed Kreider (for better or worse) for the better part of almost 12 years now.

I do think he is a freak athlete and that enables him to do things that most other players cannot. But that can also be a bit of a double-edged sword for a player as well that masks certain elements and leads to questions about what piece is missing that seperates very good from a higher tier. But I definitely see the potential for a damn good player who fills a unique niche that is hard to replicate.

With Miller my concern is less about what he becomes, so much as the time it takes him to become that player, people's patience along the way, and whether a somewhat unfair initial expectation follows him for long time. But he should be an important piece of this team for a long time.
 
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Anaheim wanted Miller that’s all I need to know :)
Was thinking next year would be his year to crack the lineup but if he has a very good camp then I guess wouldn’t be that upset if they give him a look.
 
nyr2k2 said:
The thing with Miller and his newness to the position is, it's always mentioned yet so many people seem to then gloss over it like it's just a cool factoid or something. The reality is he's 20 and about to jump straight from the NCAA to the NHL, which is impressive in its own right; but when he was a sophomore in high school--something we're literally only separated from by four seasons of hockey--he was still playing forward.

Defenseman tend to peak a couple years later than forwards due to the learning curve of the position. Consider that a kid who started playing defense in Mites or Peewee, by age 20, has been playing the position for 8-12 years or more. That means most top defenseman at this point have 2-3 times the experience that Miller does. That's an enormous gap between Miller and his peers, and yet he's still a standout at the position. It really speaks volumes about his aptitude and natural ability that he is able to play at such a high level despite what is actually extremely limited experience.
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I am not taking a stand for or against Miller. I would just like to point out that there is a huge difference in the amount of positional experience gained in one year of peewee hockey compared to one year of college/high school hockey.

He played some of the most important years as a defender. Those four years might even count more compared the years he was a forward.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Some of these motherf***ers here always want to talk about Miller not being elite, Miller having a bad year last year, Miller being a long way away, Miller makes terrible plays all over, Miller this, Miller that.

Miller is a fantastic f***ing prospect who is much closer than the stat surfers realize, and I have been saying this all year. Even during his "bad" year last season, you could tell the guy was already making NHL-caliber plays.
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This made my penis tingle in the most heterosexual way possibly. Especially since it came from you, 2K2. One of the classiest and most rational posters on our board.
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