Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

[leafsfan2point0]

Good player but I’m not a fan of that contract.

 

[stickty111]

Love McCabe but long term it's iffy

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Realistically the cap could be at 110 in 3 years. 4.5 next season to 92.5 as reported today. Then a couple of close to 10 million bumps to correct the hold back caused by Covid and escrow.

Based on revenue 110 is not far off then. Which would mean the average salary of a player on a 23 man roster is about 5 million.

Costwise McCabe at 5 is ok but 6 years term might be an issue when combined with the other 3 d we have long term who are also older. We need at least one if not 2 young D who are part of the long term program. I’d rather 5 x 5.5 then 6 x 5.

 

[IPS]

You either pay a defensemen like McCabe that kind of money in UFA or you re-sign the one you already have. Sometimes it just makes more sense to re-sign the one you already have.

If he signs that contract, he's the whipping boy by about Thanksgiving.

I don't think so at all. He plays more than a solid enough defensive game to avoid that reputation and always puts in good effort.

 

[CincoHolio]

Man some of y'all have unrealistic expectations of contracts. 5 mil will be nothing in a couple more seasons. McCabe is a cultural touchstone for this team. Guy is a warrior and exactly the kind of player you want in the playoffs.

 

[OVO16]

I love McCabe, so I'm fine with it

 

[Dreakmur]

You either pay a defensemen like McCabe that kind of money in UFA or you re-sign the one you already have. Sometimes it just makes more sense to re-sign the one you already have.


I don't think so at all. He plays more than a solid enough defensive game to avoid that reputation and always puts in good effort.

He does compete hard, but he also makes horrible decisions. As soon as he’s paid, the negatives will get noticed.

Man some of y'all have unrealistic expectations of contracts. 5 mil will be nothing in a couple more seasons. McCabe is a cultural touchstone for this team. Guy is a warrior and exactly the kind of player you want in the playoffs.

You want him as your #5 defenseman…

 

[Rude Dog]

McCabe 4 years at 5 would be great. 6 years is tough given oel and tanev terms. Leafs are going to need a bigger island

 

[LeafParade]

They need to start Holmberg at 4c this year. If he plays well, maybe in another year, he can be a pseudo 3c. It probably will not happen. But they have to create the opporunities. There is little forward planning at this club.

Minten missing training camp was a missed opportunity. I would have liked to see his level with the NHLers.

He should get some call ups this year.

 

[Sypher04]

If he signs that contract, he's the whipping boy by about Thanksgiving.

Only because we’re surrounded by idiots.
McCabe makes 4M now, even if we are only paying him 2M. 5-5.2M under a 92M+ cap is very reasonable

 

[ACC1224]

If he signs that contract, he's the whipping boy by about Thanksgiving.

Not a chance. Leaf fans have a history of loving these types of players regardless of salary.

 

[Dreakmur]

Only because we’re surrounded by idiots.

Which defenseman whipping boy left and became good? Larry Murphy was a long time ago.

Were the fans who disliked Justin Holl idiots? How about Jake Gardner?

McCabe makes 4M now, even if we are only paying him 2M. 5-5.2M under a 92M+ cap is very reasonable

McCabe counts for 2m on our cap.

He was good last year, but I would be very worried that was an aberration.

Not a chance. Leaf fans have a history of loving these types of players regardless of salary.

And those types of players have a history of declining rapidly after 30.

 

[ACC1224]

And those types of players have a history of declining rapidly after 30.

That could happen, no doubt but as long as he puts his face in front of the puck every night he'll be loved.

 

[Sypher04]

Which defenseman whipping boy left and became good? Larry Murphy was a long time ago.

Were the fans who disliked Justin Holl idiots? How about Jake Gardner?

Where did I imply any have? I’m sure there are examples but I don’t care to really think it through.

It also has nothing to do with what I said.

McCabe going from being loved to a whipping boy for making $1M more than he currently makes (against a substantially higher salary cap) is dumb unless he takes a notable step back which isn’t likely to happen in the immediate future.

McCabe counts for 2m on our cap.

He was good last year, but I would be very worried that was an aberration.

Yes, I said he makes $2M on our cap. That doesn’t change that he’s currently a $4M player though. Based on 92M cap the equivalent to that deal is over 4.5M. Something around 5M is totally fine. I’d prefer shorter term. He could become a whipping boy at the end when he’s no longer worth it

 

[Dreakmur]

Where did I imply any have? I’m sure there are examples but I don’t care to really think it through.

It also has nothing to do with what I said.

You implied that people would only dislike him because they’re idiots. From that, I inferred that you meant to reference the fans’ reaction to past defensemen.

McCabe going from being loved to a whipping boy for making $1M more than he currently makes (against a substantially higher salary cap) is dumb unless he takes a notable step back which isn’t likely to happen in the immediate future.

His cap his sounds like it will almost triple.

Yes, I said he makes $2M on our cap. That doesn’t change that he’s currently a $4M player though. Based on 92M cap the equivalent to that deal is over 4.5M. Something around 5M is totally fine. I’d prefer shorter term. He could become a whipping boy at the end when he’s no longer worth it

Nobody cares how much money a player makes - they only care how that player impacts the cap.

 

[Sypher04]

You implied that people would only dislike him because they’re idiots. From that, I inferred that you meant to reference the fans’ reaction to past defensemen.



His cap his sounds like it will almost triple.



Nobody cares how much money a player makes - they only care how that player impacts the cap.

Yes, I understand that, but if people are going to complain about the cap hit of a player, they should also understand that we paid extra in assets to artificially have him for well under his market value for years come the end of the season. He’s not a $2M dollar player.

And no, I implied that people who turn on him by Thanksgiving simply for being the same player but making his market value are idiots. That’s a very different sentiment

 

[al secord]

Which defenseman whipping boy left and became good? Larry Murphy was a long time ago.

Were the fans who disliked Justin Holl idiots? How about Jake Gardner?



McCabe counts for 2m on our cap.

He was good last year, but I would be very worried that was an aberration.



And those types of players have a history of declining rapidly after 30.

The way he plays, he'll most likely be an LTIR candidate in years 5 and 6.

 

[LeafChief]

The people that think Marner and Tavares will be gone next year are out to lunch.

Marner will re-sign and likely get around a million dollar increase on what he makes right now.

Tavares will be back around 4-5 million. Lower if they go longer term.

 

[Skullz]

McCabe is awesome and I want him back, but 6 years is a tad much for me at that cap hit. Would like it more at the Tanev number for that length.

We will have Rielly, Tanev, McCabe, and OEL locked up till their late 30's though.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Run it back!

 

[Martin Skoula]

I like McCabe but I have a bad feeling he’s going to end up like Muzzin where he’s constantly dealing with injuries and we have neither a D you can expect to play 70+ games nor the cap space to get a new one in FA.

You can have one of those guys but it gets tough with an aging Rielly, Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa all in the same boat and your only 2 prime aged guys are bottom pair options one of whom has his own injury problems. We’ll see how Berube uses them but with the lack of mobility on the back end these guys are probably going to be eating a lot of pucks to the body and taking attrition damage in the corners.

 

[ULF_55]

Run it back!

Pay more for the privilege.

 

[Roo]

McCabe 4 years at 5 would be great. 6 years is tough given oel and tanev terms. Leafs are going to need a bigger island

Lehner island has just been created by Vegas

 

[notdoneyet]

I do, he showed it when he single handedly took over game 3 against the B's. Can he sustain that over 3-4 rounds? I don't know, but he's not falling down constantly whining to the refs on every play like Mitch is when the playoffs start

For me one game in 7 years means matthews is just as much to blame as Mitch
Both can’t make a difference when it counts
Like game 7 for example

 

[Menzinger]

The term is irrelevant. If the Leafs haven't won within 4-6 years they'll likely have to retool/rebuild anyways.

5 or 6 years for 5 mil is fair value for him. Sign him up.