Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

[leafan11]

What do you think these other guys are going to sign for? 4 million is probably at the low end of what Domi should get.

Then why didn’t get it last year ?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Mikheyev is a bottom 6 player who was healthy-scratched in Vancouver. This is a chance for him to get more playing time in Chicago.

Marner has a lot more leverage.

Yup. Again nothing to do with the point some people are making that players NEVER waive their NTCs/NMCs and that they're somehow "iron clad".

 

[Phion Keneuf]

4 x 4 and you bring back Domi. No brainer.

 

[Dreakmur]

Then why didn’t get it last year ?

Flat cap probably had something to do with it. Also, he asked for more last year. Guys who don’t sign on day 1 often pay the price of over-valuing themselves.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

1) nobody has ever believed a team is a microcosm of society

2) we’ve had bottom 9 players at premium salaries for their role forever, they just sucked at their jobs. Kerfoot, Engvall, Kapanen, Johnsson, Marleau, Ritchie, Bert and Domi, Kampf, Reaves

1.) Read up on natural law, my friend.
2) That's a lot of players with a lot of turnover over many years. I'm talking about some middle class players with term.

 

[Sypher04]

There are some really garbage takes on Domi in this thread.

He had a slow and not very good start to the season but once he settled in he was very good.

Still produced nearly 50 points despite a notable reduction in both even strength and powerplay ice time from the previous season where he scored 20 and got 56 points.

Fit well with Matthews as well when called upon. 4X4M is reasonable but here is hoping we can get more like 3.5M

 

[1specter]

There are some really garbage takes on Domi in this thread.

He had a slow and not very good start to the season but once he settled in he was very good.

Still produced nearly 50 points despite a notable reduction in both even strength and powerplay ice time from the previous season where he scored 20 and got 56 points.

Fit well with Matthews as well when called upon. 4X4M is reasonable but here is hoping we can get more like 3.5M

Can also play C in a pinch and did so very well when Matthews was unavailable in the playoffs. Peter DeBoer also spoke very highly of him and said how he was really missed by Dallas and how he was a great addition to their group in 2023. He likes to play under pressure and seems to elevate in those moments too.

 

[Sypher04]

Money and closer to home?

I'm fine with letting calgary overpay him. Debrusk isn't the guy most Leaf fans think he is

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not really on the Debrusk train. I just don’t see why anyone would sign in Calgary right now. Money is great but he’ll have more than 1 team willing to pay him. Calgary is sitting at the beginning stage of a lengthy rebuild.

The close to home angle is possible but if he signs there I would bet he will never see the playoffs again during the contract.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Why is San Jose paying a premium to move up 3 spots in the middle of the 1st round before they even know who is going to be available? Weird move.

 

[ULF_55]

Maybe, but the thing with Grebyonkin that his role with a lot of preferential offensive treatment that he gets in Magnitogorsk isn't going to be there as a middle sixer on the Leafs and we don't know if he's really suited to it.

For me, he's best off being the "Nylander" of the Marlies next season

McGroarty seems at least stylistically more suited to be in that middle six role much the way Knies did.

Knies didn't exactly shine in a middle six role while being given prime opportunities, even with the 1st. line players. He looked better in the playoffs, after a full season.

When is the last time you saw Nylander drop the gloves and go at it to protect a teammate?

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Grebyonkin loves having the puck on his stick. He can be creative in 1-on-1 situations, doing his best to deke guys out and create a chance. I still think he’s better as a setup guy, especially when paired with a speedy, skilled shooter. I also personally love how Grebyonkin cycles the puck – he’s able to shrug off shoves from bigger players, keep the play alive around the boards and then rush to the net in an attempt to get something on net.

To me it seems both these guys (McGroarty, Grebyonkin) should be in the line-up, rather than some smurfs who can skate but are no offensive threat, or are a smurf with one asset.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

There are some really garbage takes on Domi in this thread.

He had a slow and not very good start to the season but once he settled in he was very good.

Still produced nearly 50 points despite a notable reduction in both even strength and powerplay ice time from the previous season where he scored 20 and got 56 points.

Fit well with Matthews as well when called upon. 4X4M is reasonable but here is hopting we can get more like 3.5M

Exactly. He stood out in a good way with Matthews. We've had a few other non-stars who could keep up with Matthews - but not that many. And the guys who did, like Bunting and Hyman, are getting paid more than 4 mil. Even Knies was so-so on that top line.

 

[ULF_55]

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not really on the Debrusk train. I just don’t see why anyone would sign in Calgary right now. Money is great, but that team is sitting at the beginning stage of a lengthy rebuild.

If he signs there he will never see the playoffs again during this contract.

Signing a long term contract in Calgary would make the most sense, as you'd be moving into a new state of the art arena in a couple seasons, and these Bearspaw Homes for Sale Calgary - Bearspaw Real Estate are 30 minutes away from the arena.

 

[Sypher04]

Signing a long term contract in Calgary would make the most sense, as you'd be moving into a new state of the art arena in a couple seasons, and these Bearspaw Homes for Sale Calgary - Bearspaw Real Estate are 30 minutes away from the arena.

Says a lot about his lack of desire to win if that’s how it goes down. In which case, everyone else dodged a bullet

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yup. Again nothing to do with the point some people are making that players NEVER waive their NTCs/NMCs and that they're somehow "iron clad".

A player waiving a NMC/NTC in order to personally benefit is very different from a player waiving a NMC/NTC to their own detriment because a few fans have hurt feelings.
Nobody has ever said that NMC/NTCs are never waived. There just has to be a good reason other than I wanna.

 

[ULF_55]

Yup. Again nothing to do with the point some people are making that players NEVER waive their NTCs/NMCs and that they're somehow "iron clad".

Okay, we can agree players waive the NTC's and some their NMC's.

The pertinent point is he could have been traded elsewhere without his consent, and knowing the Canucks wanted him gone, and his time had soured in Vancouver waiving for Chicago was his choice.
marner has a NMC, Tavares has a NMC, so unlike Kadri who refused to waive, but could only for 10 teams, they can refuse to waive indefinitely.

NTC <> NMC

 

[ULF_55]

Says a lot about his lack of desire to win if that’s how it goes down. In which case, everyone else dodged a bullet

One team wins the Cup, all the other teams are losers.

Leafs sign players every year, guess none of them want to win either?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Really odd timing on that pick trade

 

[Jozay]

What do you think these other guys are going to sign for? 4 million is probably at the low end of what Domi should get.

Then sign someone else lol

Its not hard. He's not that good.

 

[ULF_55]

Really odd timing on that pick trade

San Jose looking at someone?

 

[ACC1224]

Really odd timing on that pick trade

Really weird.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm very happy Joshua got his money with Vancouver. Removes a player Treliving can't make a mistake signing

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Okay, we can agree players waive the NTC's and some their NMC's.

The pertinent point is he could have been traded elsewhere without his consent, and knowing the Canucks wanted him gone, and his time had soured in Vancouver waiving for Chicago was his choice.
marner has a NMC, Tavares has a NMC, so unlike Kadri who refused to waive, but could only for 10 teams, they can refuse to waive indefinitely.

NTC <> NMC

They can refuse to waive for 1 year, not indefinitely. Now the next question is why would Marner want to play for a team that doesn't want him and there's a strong possibility the fans will be hostile?

I don't think the above applies to Tavares, as he knows he's other done here after this season or he'll have to sign for a whole lot less.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

There are some really garbage takes on Domi in this thread.

He had a slow and not very good start to the season but once he settled in he was very good.

Still produced nearly 50 points despite a notable reduction in both even strength and powerplay ice time from the previous season where he scored 20 and got 56 points.

Fit well with Matthews as well when called upon. 4X4M is reasonable but here is hoping we can get more like 3.5M

4x4 is very reasonable and would be my offer. Domi has legitimate 1st line passing ability and isn't afraid of contact and battling. He also seemed in great shape and was probably skating the best of any of the players on the team during the playoffs. He explodes with the puck on his stick very well.

His issues are obvious: Lacks attention to detail, defensively poor and he takes dumb penalties. He also had issues getting to the net last year, but was getting there late in the year.

His warts are easy to deal given his positives, as long as the AAV is down. I'd much rather have Domi at 3.5-4m than say Kerfoot, even if Kerfoot is a smarter player. But rumored ask is 6m per, that's insane for a guy who scored 6 goals in his final 46 games of the season. Which was his good stretch.

I'm still hoping they figure it out, Domi fits with Auston and is a great in small spurts at Center, which will help Tavares as he continues to decline.

 

[1specter]

I'm very happy Joshua got his money with Vancouver. Removes a player Treliving can't make a mistake signing

Now if Dallas can sign Tanev, that'd be great.

 

[Sypher04]

4x4 is very reasonable and would be my offer. Domi has legitimate 1st line passing ability and isn't afraid of contact and battling. He also seemed in great shape and was probably skating the best of any of the players on the team during the playoffs. He explodes with the puck on his stick very well.

His issues are obvious: Lacks attention to detail, defensively poor and he takes dumb penalties. He also had issues getting to the net last year, but was getting there late in the year.

His warts are easy to deal given his positives, as long as the AAV is down. I'd much rather have Domi at 3.5-4m than say Kerfoot, even if Kerfoot is a smarter player. But rumored ask is 6m per, that's insane for a guy who scored 6 goals in his final 46 games of the season. Which was his good stretch.

I'm still hoping they figure it out, Domi fits with Auston and is a great in small spurts at Center, which will help Tavares as he continues to decline.

Friedman says Domi’s ask is 4x4M
This would be a very different discussion at 6M per.