Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

[rumman]

What if he was to replace another problem pouting child?

I doubt any of the Leaf problem players are as big a problem or as useless a player. He’s worn out his welcome wherever he’s played, and isn’t half the player he once was. If the Leafs want to win they should rid themselves of problem children not obtain more……..

 

[Dreakmur]

I'd bet they'd match quite easily, 2.3M is only about 400-700k over what he'd sign on a "fair" deal. Anything under 3M is 100% a match, anything over 3M gets dicey the higher you go.

Also, Robertson signing an offer sheet only to be matched and be "stuck" with the Leafs when he wants to be traded doesn't make much sense. It would need to be an overpayment like Broberg received. Robertson's camp likely would tell the offer sheet team to make a trade instead of offer sheeting.

2.3 is a second round pick right? I’d take that for Robertson easily.

 

[ACC1224]

What if he was to replace another problem pouting child?

Could be the Team could benefit from a problem child or two?
Fire things up a bit, make things less comfortable.

 

[SprDaVE]

2.3 is a second round pick right? I’d take that for Robertson easily.

Knowing Treliving likes to do the bare minimum for his team, I would say he'd probably take it too. No need to trade anyone, no need to make changes, just take the 2nd round pick for the 23 year old to spend at the deadline for a rental 4th line center.

 

[Fogelhund]

2.3 is a second round pick right? I’d take that for Robertson easily.

AAV	Draft picks required
$1.51MM or less	No compensation
$1.51MM to $2.29MM	Third-round pick
$2.29MM to $4.58MM	Second-round pick
$4.58MM to $6.87MM	First and third-round picks

 

[ACC1224]

AAV	Draft picks required
$1.51MM or less	No compensation
$1.51MM to $2.29MM	Third-round pick
$2.29MM to $4.58MM	Second-round pick
$4.58MM to $6.87MM	First and third-round picks

Has there ever been a situation where a player signed the 1.51 or less and the Team didn't match and lost the player with no compensation?

 

[Torontonian]

If he wants to leave Toronto he's not going to sign a sheet that will keep him here.

And teams aren't going to sign him to a sheet that forces them to pay a higher end draft pick like a 2nd rounder, and have him make good money as well. It's a lose/lose situation for Robertson.

Knies is a good young addition.

While I do like McMann in the bottom 6, he’s 28 years old, so not really an infusion of youth.

Roberson may not sign. If he does sign, he may not even make the team. If he does make the team, he may not stick.

I always forget Bobby is 28 lol, It's a weird situation when a player doesn't develop into a NHL player until his "prime" age. Regardless he's a nice addition to the 3rd line with his big frame and if he can maintain his goal scoring ability

Robertson should be on the team, he has an ability to score goals which has been something Toronto has lacked in the middle 6. Toronto needs to find a way to develop him into a efficient 3rd line player. (he's close, he just need to work on his game in d-zone and be able to handle pressure down the wall better).

 

[ULF_55]

AAV	Draft picks required
$1.51MM or less	No compensation
$1.51MM to $2.29MM	Third-round pick
$2.29MM to $4.58MM	Second-round pick
$4.58MM to $6.87MM	First and third-round picks

Some team would offer x * 2.29.

How many hoops would you go through to sign Robertson?

 

[uncleben]

Has there ever been a situation where a player signed the 1.51 or less and the Team didn't match and lost the player with no compensation?

Since the modern Offer Sheet structure, no, but it has happened twice
Funny enough, to two goalies in July 1996

July 10, 1996, Ottawa Senators signed Ron Tugnutt from the Washington Capitals. No compensation due to contract value (<$400k).
July 22, 1996, Dallas Stars signed Arturs Irbe from the San Jose Sharks. No compensation due to contract value ($400k + bonuses)

 

[VanW27]

I always forget Bobby is 28 lol, It's a weird situation when a player doesn't develop into a NHL player until his "prime" age. Regardless he's a nice addition to the 3rd line with his big frame and if he can maintain his goal scoring ability

When we signed Bunting as a hopful top 6 guy he was a notably late bloomer coming off a partial season where he impressed with his goal scoring. That was 4 seasons ago, McMann is currently in the same situation basically.

Both Bunting and McMann are currently 28 years old (Bunting does turn 29 in a month).

This is why I'm a little leary of expecting much from McMann. I like him, dont get me wrong, but from a traditional development curve standpoint for his player type and role he'd be a vet looking to see if he can hang on to his NHL career for another year or two. But of course he hasn't taken a typical path. The usual problem for this player type at this age is if the body can hold up. But McMann hasn't gone through the grinder the way most NHLers have by 28. He has had some injury issues though.

 

[Fogelhund]

When we signed Bunting as a hopful top 6 guy he was a notably late bloomer coming off a partial season where he impressed with his goal scoring. That was 4 seasons ago, McMann is currently in the same situation basically.

Both Bunting and McMann are currently 28 years old (Bunting does turn 29 in a month).

This is why I'm a little leary of expecting much from McMann. I like him, dont get me wrong, but from a traditional development curve standpoint for his player type and role he'd be a vet looking to see if he can hang on to his NHL career for another year or two. But of course he hasn't taken a typical path. The usual problem for this player type at this age is if the body can hold up. But McMann hasn't gone through the grinder the way most NHLers have by 28. He has had some injury issues though.

As long as we can get two decent years out of him, that's great.

As it stands now... without trades, we have Nylander, Marner, Domi, Knies, Cowan and Grebyonkin in the top nine. Maybe Robertson sticks... or not. That's seven guys, for six top 9 winger spots.

Maybe he solidifies a 4th line position when Knies, Cowan and Grebyonkin are fully developed... but it's not like we are dependent on further growth from McMann.... and I like the guy too.

 

[SprDaVE]

Dubas doing some work

https://x.com/i/web/status/1826651306356080895

 

[stickty111]

Dubas doing some work

https://x.com/i/web/status/1826651306356080895

Could be wrong, but weren't we connected to him during his draft year so I guess Dubas trading for him isn't surprising.

 

[Fogelhund]

Dubas doing some work

https://x.com/i/web/status/1826651306356080895

That's a lot of forwards they'll have. Someone has to be going the other way.

Pittsburgh Penguins | Salary cap and contracts

 

[Torontonian]

Dubas doing some work

https://x.com/i/web/status/1826651306356080895

Curious to see what the return will be, wonder if it'll be a high end prospect swap. Hard to see any Winnipeg trading for NHL roster players from Pittsburgh.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[ULF_55]

Curious to see what the return will be, wonder if it'll be a high end prospect swap. Hard to see any Winnipeg trading for NHL roster players from Pittsburgh.

Yeah, not sure what Penguins can offer that the Jets need?

Maybe they're just looking at it as something for a future nothing?

 

[SprDaVE]

That's a lot of forwards they'll have. Someone has to be going the other way.

Pittsburgh Penguins | Salary cap and contracts

Probably. I wouldn't be surprised if Pickering is involved since he was from a previous regiment and hasn't really taken off.

 

[Dreakmur]

And teams aren't going to sign him to a sheet that forces them to pay a higher end draft pick like a 2nd rounder, and have him make good money as well. It's a lose/lose situation for Robertson.

I’d even take a 3rd for him at this point. Asking for a trade tells me he’s entitled, and I’d rather have a player who is willing to earn their spot.

I always forget Bobby is 28 lol, It's a weird situation when a player doesn't develop into a NHL player until his "prime" age. Regardless he's a nice addition to the 3rd line with his big frame and if he can maintain his goal scoring ability

Yeah, he’s fine on a 3rd line. He’s probably ideally placed on a 4th line, but we lack the depth for that.

Robertson should be on the team, he has an ability to score goals which has been something Toronto has lacked in the middle 6.

It doesn’t matter if you can score if you’re so bad defensively that your net contributions are still a negative.

Toronto needs to find a way to develop him into a efficient 3rd line player. (he's close, he just need to work on his game in d-zone and be able to handle pressure down the wall better).

Robertson needs to develop himself into an efficient 3rd line player. Playing better defensive hockey is a matter of effort and concentration. The only players who are bad defensively are the ones who don’t care about that side of the game.

 

[SprDaVE]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1826657768583168193

 

[Fogelhund]

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[ULF_55]

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[Torontonian]

Curious to see what the return will be, wonder if it'll be a high end prospect swap. Hard to see any Winnipeg trading for NHL roster players from Pittsburgh.

Figured Yager would be going back to the Jets, apart from him, there's nothing that Pittsburgh has.

 

[ULF_55]

Figured Yager would be going back to the Jets, apart from him, there's nothing that Pittsburgh has.

6'
170lb.
Not a big man/boy.

 

[BertCorbeau]

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That's a nice deal for both sides. Well done from Chevy.