Trades & Free Agency Thread: Off-season Edition

[LeafSteel]

Is there any smoke around this or just clickbait

Intriguing proposal would see the Maple Leafs land a $7.1M player

The Toronto Maple Leafs are the centre of the hockey universe, as is proven by a recent trade proposal that would land the Leafs a $57M player in a blockbuster deal.

www.mapleleafsdaily.com

There is indeed smoke to this, but unfortunately it’s all of the 420 variety that the writer had ingested in order to come up with it.

Any idiot can post anything they want online, with no factual merit, and get clicks off it.

Perfect example of the ongoing dumbing down and misinformation that’s a click away.

I’m going go now and read an article that talks about how Mother Teresa used to enjoy drowning kittens on weekends.

 

[shaner8989]

Why do I see everyone penciling in this Quillan guy on our roster.

1 point in 10 AHL games, 22 years old.

Never even heard of the dude before this offseason tbh.

He had 2 monster years in college and a real gamer with extremely high hockey IQ. Lots of potential. Might need a year in the A first.

 

[conFABulator]

He had 2 monster years in college and a real gamer with extremely high hockey IQ. Lots of potential. Might need a year in the A first.

...very strong defensively too, at the NCAA level. He was Defensive Player of the Year, I believe.

 

[ULF_55]

Is there any smoke around this or just clickbait

Intriguing proposal would see the Maple Leafs land a $7.1M player

The Toronto Maple Leafs are the centre of the hockey universe, as is proven by a recent trade proposal that would land the Leafs a $57M player in a blockbuster deal.

www.mapleleafsdaily.com

I can guarantee it is just smoke.

This is where the fires are:

ArcGIS Dashboards

ArcGIS Dashboards

www.arcgis.com

 

[Shooter2x]

Agreed, advanced stats agree too. Seems both Matthews and Tavares play better with north south, physical players. Bunting per advanced stats was very productive with Matthews. Matthews was on an entire different level of production with Domi and Bertuzzi vs anyone else.

Both Nylander and Marner are perimeter offense guys who are more off the rush offense but have no cycle, forechecking ability.

Nylanders speed/shot combo makes him more dangerous off the rush than the others.

This season, Marner produced alot of goals by getting behind the D on broken plays that Leafs recovered and scoring on the subsequent odd man rush/breakaway.

Ive always said that I think Matthews and Tavares in 2019-2020, (the early Tavares years) couldve been as productive as Draisaitl/Mcdavid...probably even more. Especially if Hyman was on their wing.

Nylander was one of the best cycling forwards in the league last season wtf are you smoking

 

[thewave]

Nylander was one of the best cycling forwards in the league last season wtf are you smoking

He was a beauty last year. Got overpaid for it but was a beauty none the less

 

[TMLAM34]

If Montreal was willing to retain 50% of Dvorak’s deal, I would have some interest if he comes cheap. Something around Robertson for Dvorak.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Cowan - Dvorak - Nylander
Holmberg - Kampf - Jarnkrok

 

[Antropovsky]

Nylander was one of the best cycling forwards in the league last season wtf are you smoking

Im listening.... Do you have evidence to support this?

Leafs something sround 4th in the league in scoring odd the rush... so its difficult to believe. ive watched all Matthews, Marners and Nylander goals on YT. Nylander and Marner are essentially all of the rush or pp. Matthews was more of the rush initially, but you see a shift once hes with Bert and Domi. Bert and Domi were great at puck recover and cycling and always had someone in front od the net. Matthews, domi and bert seemed to be all around the goal crease when they were together. Knies is pretty good at cycling too.

 

[TMLAM34]

Im listening.... Do you have evidence to support this?

Leafs something sround 4th in the league in scoring odd the rush... so its difficult to believe. ive watched all Matthews, Marners and Nylander goals on YT. Nylander and Marner are essentially all of the rush or pp. Matthews was more of the rush initially, but you see a shift once hes with Bert and Domi. Bert and Domi were great at puck recover and cycling and always had someone in front od the net. Matthews, domi and bert seemed to be all around the goal crease when they were together. Knies is pretty good at cycling too.

I’m hoping Knies can continue his development and be that Bertuzzi replacement internally. That Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi line was very good when together. Knies - Matthews - Domi is the closest we can to replicate it.

 

[ULF_55]

Im listening.... Do you have evidence to support this?

Leafs something sround 4th in the league in scoring odd the rush... so its difficult to believe. ive watched all Matthews, Marners and Nylander goals on YT. Nylander and Marner are essentially all of the rush or pp. Matthews was more of the rush initially, but you see a shift once hes with Bert and Domi. Bert and Domi were great at puck recover and cycling and always had someone in front od the net. Matthews, domi and bert seemed to be all around the goal crease when they were together. Knies is pretty good at cycling too.

It seemed to me, and perhaps because memorable, Nylander's goals were more individual effort than setups.

 

[thusk]

Agreed, advanced stats agree too. Seems both Matthews and Tavares play better with north south, physical players. Bunting per advanced stats was very productive with Matthews. Matthews was on an entire different level of production with Domi and Bertuzzi vs anyone else.

Both Nylander and Marner are perimeter offense guys who are more off the rush offense but have no cycle, forechecking ability.

Nylanders speed/shot combo makes him more dangerous off the rush than the others.

This season, Marner produced alot of goals by getting behind the D on broken plays that Leafs recovered and scoring on the subsequent odd man rush/breakaway.

Ive always said that I think Matthews and Tavares in 2019-2020, (the early Tavares years) couldve been as productive as Draisaitl/Mcdavid...probably even more. Especially if Hyman was on their wing.

Keefe system was a kind of east west/ cycling system with minimum of forechecking.

babcock was more a north/south system with stretche pass.

I think Keefe kind of system really benefit to Nylander but honestly for me Marner was a better player under Babcock north/south system. Contrarily to the rest of core 4, Marner doesn't have a hard shot so to be dangerous, he need to find way to get open ice on dangerous area and from cycling for a player who not big/physical and doesn't have hard shot from distance. it's can becoming pretty hard to be dangerous for him... But in a north/south system, he will be better to create himself space with his ability to read the play, be in the passing lane and intercept the puck with an active stick. Forechecking is not only hit but more about put pressure and forcing your opponent to make mistake and it's already what he's doing in PK, so u don't know why he should not be able to do the same on forechecking at 5v5

4 player who will be fun to watch
Marner for he reason i said.
Tavares : We could see a brand new JT this season
Knies : for me he's the perfect type of player for this kind of system
Nylander : I fear a decline in his case...

 

[Doc300c]

That would cost draft pick currency, or a top prospect along with mediocre player dump.

And then "draft picks, draft picks, draft pick, blah, blah blah."

You know the story.

Agreed, and it would be worth it to take the gamble like other teams with actual depth.

I’m ok if we space it out, can’t loose a first in multiple years in a row. We have to start the trend. Make a pic in the first round (‘24) and then be ok trading next years for a younger guy who can step in and help.

We have young talent whom haven’t broken out yet ( cost savings - Minten, Robertson, Niemela )
We have future picks - ‘27 would be perfect ( 1st and 3rd )
We have depth guys to move money in our bottom 6 ( Jarnkrok, Kampf )

Not exactly an amazing return to start but

Robertson, niemela, Jarnkrok, 1st, 3rd

That’s arguably closer to the Muzzin trade than McCabe - Muzzin deal was more value being sent out. But point still stands.

Robertson wants out at the moment, Niemela is a smaller d man whom isn’t going to fit into our coaches system properly to succeed - moving him before watching him fail wouldn’t be a bad idea to keep some value. 1st and 3rd have real value and Jarnkrok is a vet bottom 6 guy who regularly you can see traded at every deadline for a 3rd plus ( when healthy )

Doesn’t sound like we are loosing much when you consider we trade our firsts away yearly for a playoff push anyway - 2 prospects we don’t consider long term pieces - and a bottom 6 player who can be replaced with a prospect needing to develop.

 

[Antropovsky]

Nylander was one of the best cycling forwards in the league last season wtf are you smoking

Shooter, im still waiting for your proof on this. Here is a stat showing Nylander likes to play off the rush.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Robertson, buddy you're not getting traded

 

[Martin Skoula]

Shooter, im still waiting for your proof on this. Here is a stat showing Nylander likes to play off the rush.

View attachment 897391

Yes his one goal on the rush that has him 6th in the league per game is damning evidence. 9 entire shots worth of data.

 

[ULF_55]

Keefe system was a kind of east west/ cycling system with minimum of forechecking.

babcock was more a north/south system with stretche pass.

I think Keefe kind of system really benefit to Nylander but honestly for me Marner was a better player under Babcock north/south system. Contrarily to the rest of core 4, Marner doesn't have a hard shot so to be dangerous, he need to find way to get open ice on dangerous area and from cycling for a player who not big/physical and doesn't have hard shot from distance. it's can becoming pretty hard to be dangerous for him... But in a north/south system, he will be better to create himself space with his ability to read the play, be in the passing lane and intercept the puck with an active stick. Forechecking is not only hit but more about put pressure and forcing your opponent to make mistake and it's already what he's doing in PK, so u don't know why he should not be able to do the same on forechecking at 5v5

4 player who will be fun to watch
Marner for he reason i said.
Tavares : We could see a brand new JT this season
Knies : for me he's the perfect type of player for this kind of system
Nylander : I fear a decline in his case...

Avoid traffic marner a Berube type player?

 

[Antropovsky]

Yes his one goal on the rush that has him 6th in the league per game is damning evidence. 9 entire shots worth of data.

"Shots off rush" not goals off rush. This is in addition to watching his YT goal highlights and watching him play since he entered the league. Is it better if I dont present evidence and say.... lol ur wrong - And leave? Like the poster im requesting stats from for two days...

 

[ULF_55]

Yes his one goal on the rush that has him 6th in the league per game is damning evidence. 9 entire shots worth of data.

Nylander has to stop with those highlight goals. Slow down and wait for traffic to clog the lanes.

 

[hamzarocks]

Kent Johnson signs for 3 years 1.8M

Robertson should come comfortably below 1.8M

He is a worse current, and future player than KJ from CBJ

2 years 1.25M is what he should come around

 

[thusk]

Avoid traffic marner a Berube type player?

Marner doesn't avoid traffic but he's not enough physical to be able to make an impact there between 3-4 guy, that's pretty diffrrent in my mind.

Matthews don't need space and he's probably got the quicker wirst shot in the NHL. Nylander with his speed and his shot is able to create himself more space and still dangerous.

Marner is a guy who need space and not enough fast or physical to get it done by with abilities alone and when he got it, He's even better than Matthews and Nylander. But how can he create space for himself? Agressive Forechecking, with his Hockey IQ... His ability to read well the play in front of him and been exactly where he should in the passing lane but you need to be agressive to caught people out of position and been able to use all the space in your advantage. That's why i don't have any doubt than Marner will be a better player under Berube.

 

[Sypher04]

Kent Johnson signs for 3 years 1.8M

Robertson should come comfortably below 1.8M

He is a worse current, and future player than KJ from CBJ

2 years 1.25M is what he should come around

Based on what exactly? They are similarly productive players at this stage. Neither one has really cemented themselves

Also I’d say there is zero chance we’re getting a 2 year deal from Nick.

I do agree he’ll get less but that’s just mostly because Johnson played more games 2 years ago than Nick did last

 

[Martin Skoula]

Nylander has to stop with those highlight goals. Slow down and wait for traffic to clog the lanes.

I’ve watched him cycle the zone on his own multiple times, obviously he’s good on the rush but calling him a perimeter rush player exclusively is insane.

 

[ULF_55]

I’ve watched him cycle the zone on his own multiple times, obviously he’s good on the rush but calling him a perimeter rush player exclusively is insane.

He frequently comes out of scrums with the puck. You don't need to bang when a good stick can do the job.

 

[hamzarocks]

Based on what exactly? They are similarly productive players at this stage. Neither one has really cemented themselves

Also I’d say there is zero chance we’re getting a 2 year deal from Nick.

I do agree he’ll get less but that’s just mostly because Johnson played more games 2 years ago than Nick did last

KJ is more established had a 40 pt year last year. Had a down season this year when he was expected to breakout which made comp closer than it should be

His size + skating + passing potenial make him a better offensive player than robertson whose really undersized and a average skater only

Getting 1 year 1.3 or deal from robertson would be a failure once more for the org.

He should get 2 or 3 year deal. 3 years 1.5M bridge at max

1 year shouldnt be more than 1M

 

[Gaberd2608]

Kent Johnson signs for 3 years 1.8M

Robertson should come comfortably below 1.8M

He is a worse current, and future player than KJ from CBJ

2 years 1.25M is what he should come around

Given that he has asked for a trade I think best we can hope for is a 1 year deal with a handshake agreement that Brad will try to trade him as soon as he can.

1 year x $1.5 million

Knies. Matthews. Nylander
Robertson. Tavares. Marner
Mcmann. Domi. Jarnkrok
Holmberg. Kampf. Dewar
Reaves

Try to move Robertson for a 3C and move Domi to 2nd LW