Brobust
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They got swept once. They'd win 50+ and then just squeak into the 2nd round only to get stomped by LeBron.
It was way more down on those teams than I am with this one.
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They got swept once. They'd win 50+ and then just squeak into the 2nd round only to get stomped by LeBron.
It was way more down on those teams than I am with this one.
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The trade value is going to suck no matter what. But if that money goes towards someone like Danault or Hall or Schwartz then we've basically swapped Marner for Killorn (or whomever)+Danault/Hall/Schwartz & two prospects and the deal becomes tenable.
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I'd describe myself as a casual with Raptors, even less familiar with the NBA as a whole, definitely an NHL fan more.
Always felt like the Raptors had a "solid" team, greater than the sum of it's parts and lacked an upper echelon star...had a couple of the lower end ones in Lowry/DeRosen...Kawhi would be like maybe replacing Marner with prime Marchand or Stone (trying to think of an upper end 2-way player).
Never felt the Raptors lacked grit either, Ibaka let some hands go a couple times. They were pretty solid defensively. This most recent season was when they seemed the best defensively they have in a long time but 1 division and our PK was still kinda meh.
I don't think it's easy to directly correlate between 2 sports but I liked a lot more things about the Raptors than I do with the Leafs, with the Raptors it always felt like "how do we get a superstar here?" - once they did, it pushed them over the top. Also helped Golden State lost Durant.
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Raptors would probably be most similar to the Blues. Consistent contender that couldn't get it done in the playoffs, trades for O'Reilly, fires their coach and replaces him with his assistant coach, wins cup, fails to retain their star, Pietrangelo and will likely fade into rebuild mode.
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Pretty accurate too. I always felt like they got let down by Elliott/Allen...I liked the ROR add a lot but goaltending was a huge concern then Binnington came out of nowhere lol.
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Swapping a 24 year old with 29-30 year olds on multiyear deals doesn't sound like a great plan to me.
I thought we spent the last 5 years laughing at Oilers fans for saying the Hall trade was good because it gave them the cap space to add Lucic?
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Our PK was solid. It was a little bit less impressive in front of Campbell but Campbell was excellent (4th in save percentage out of goalies playing at least 50 PK minutes).
Meanwhile, our PK was excellent in front of Andersen (3rd in xGA/60 on the PK) but Andersen had the second worst PK save percentage in the league ahead of the disaster who is Carter Hart... And he is a full 15 basis points behind 3rd worst, which was David Rittich
4th worst was 27 points ahead of Andersen... So it wasn't like Andersen was even remotely fine. It was a problem two years ago too.We will need to change the PK by virtue of likely losing Hyman and Kerfoot this offseason, but if we can have the same PK quality as last year with better goaltending, we'd have a top 5 PK in the league.
PP is the greater concern. We need to split up Marner and Rielly and have them run the points. Get Liljegren in the lineup and on the same unit as Marner to cover his weak shot and to handle the break-ins, while Rielly should run a different unit with Nylander, Tavares, Spezza, and a new net-front guy.
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Our PK was solid. It was a little bit less impressive in front of Campbell but Campbell was excellent (4th in save percentage out of goalies playing at least 50 PK minutes).
Meanwhile, our PK was excellent in front of Andersen (3rd in xGA/60 on the PK) but Andersen had the second worst PK save percentage in the league ahead of the disaster who is Carter Hart... And he is a full 15 basis points behind 3rd worst, which was David Rittich
We will need to change the PK by virtue of likely losing Hyman and Kerfoot this offseason, but if we can have the same PK quality as last year with better goaltending, we'd have a top 5 PK in the league.
PP is the greater concern. We need to split up Marner and Rielly and have them run the points. Get Liljegren in the lineup and on the same unit as Marner to cover his weak shot and to handle the break-ins, while Rielly should run a different unit with Nylander, Tavares, Spezza, and a new net-front guy.
Crazy thought...maybe separate Marner/Matthews too. I feel like Marner just looks for Matthews too much on the PP. Marner was better on that unit with Bozak, Kadri, Gardiner and JVR.
Maybe something like
Net front
88-JT-Matthews
Defenseman
for unit 1
88 and Matthews get 1 time options but they should try to utilize JT in the bumper role way more. Point was a perfect example of how to use the bumper position.
Brayden Schenn on the Flyers PP a few years ago got similar looks.
This is what I keep saying. Leaf fans like to talk about "ignoring the past" and then they suggest the plan Cliff Fletcher used on the '93 team, which simply shortened the team's window and had them in rebuild mode within two years. They also did the same thing with the '02 team, though the lockout had a bit of an effect on that one.
You don't trade young guys for older guys unless you're close.
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Then make it Net front, Nylander, Matthews, Rielly, and Tavares... Let Marner mess up the 2PP on his own.
Not sure I would be obsessed with using the bumper though, and I highly doubt they leave Marner all on his own.
WTFMAN99
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If used correctly, it's good, if it's used as a decoy like we have been doing for the last couple of years, bumper is useless.
I think PP2 will depend on who we bring in, if we have Saad, a new 3C etc, it could still be good.
Thoughts on this crazy trade:
Marner
Reilly
Campbell
for
JT Miller
Schmidt
Demko
I think the $ are close too
Marner
Reilly
Campbell
for
JT Miller
Schmidt
Demko
I think the $ are close too
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This is just it. He's done a great job of building pieces around the core (Look at the top 6 D now vs 3 years ago. Look at team's ability to lock it down once they get a lead now vs. 3 years ago.) And guess who signed the core pieces to those moveable front-loaded contracts?
If the core fails (which I don't expect it to), it's on them, not Dubas, and I'm more than confident in his ability to rebuild a new core if the need arises.
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Ok
Marner Holl Campbell
Sorry I always try for good for both. Not just Dermott and a 2nd with every proposal.
Or just take out the D men.
Marner n soup for JT n Demko?
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No, we lose that deal. Every player we are giving up is better than the ones we are getting. So if money matches why would we downgrade?
SeaOfBlue
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I would not be against moving Holl right now for value, but I am not sure anyone would pay for him right now.
Look marner needs to go and I want him out badly. But what the f*** is this?
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Could be a pre-cursor to a Reilly trade. Left side of D has Muzzin, Sandin, Dermott, and possibly Brodie.
Trade Reilly now for picks and prospects, sign Hamilton. Protect Brodie, Dermott, Holl and Muzzin in expansion draft.
Dermott-Brodie
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Sandin-Holl
I believe Dermott is underrated and given a better partner and more playing time we may have a gem at the cost he just signed for.
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