GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - Off-Season Early Edition

[OVO16]

Is it possible to sign both Oleksiak and Bogosian? That would really solidify the defence.

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Bogosian
Oleksiak Dermott

Would be great tbh.

 

[Nylander88]

Warren Foegle is looking for a change of scenery, where he can land top 6 minutes. I think it's best if we move on from Hyman and replace him with Foegle. Would be half the cost and their games are very similar. Foegle got more of that Grit/Hustle factor I think the leafs need imo. I think he can break out if he played with some of our top guys. Only 25 yrs old too.

Foligno - Mathews - Marner
Foegle - Tavares - Nylander
Free Agent - Haula - Mikheyev
Kuraly - Spezza - Simmonds

For the most part I love this lineup. I move Mikheyev in the deal for Foegle. I sign Cizikas if I can instead of Haula. I sign Goodrow. And I give Robertson a full time job.
Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Foegle-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Cizikas-Goodrow
Kuraly-Spezza-Simmonds

Sorry in advance for messing with your third line lol

 

[barilko05]

Only way I see Taylor sign is if we match what Boston is paying. I can see Hall's interest as he does live in Toronto(apparently he lives in Etobicoke)
I can see him wanting to be close to his family and friends

I would welcome Hall. He can still skate and players like him can always bring something even at checking level. At 6million I'll take him over Hyman and Kerfoot

Zero interest in him. He hasn't been the same player since he won the Hart. And he's sure as hell not worth 6 mil anymore. 3 or 4 on a show me two year deal maybe. But he's not going to take that so why bother?

 

[Stephen]

Not specifically Spezza but we aren't even into unrestricted free agency and we already re-signed two guys at the end of their careers. Hard to bring in killer instinct when we keep filling out the roster with players at the end of their careers and 4 of the top 6 are locked in long term.Will keep an eye on guys like Barabanov and Verhaeghe who were passed on last year in favor of the old vets. Last season Brooks brought alot of energy to the team but he couldn't get the minutes. Sandin couldn't get minutes because of cap and roster spots.

Spezza is an absolute must keep, and at league minimum, it doesn't matter if we do it now or in September because it's the right fit, right dollar amount.

Simmonds isn't great but it's Toronto's $1.8 million to waste and it has no impact on the cap. So it's a low reward, low risk move.

I do think we need more prime aged players, so while Foligno at a steep discount would be nice as a piece of unfinished business, can we trust his body will be in good health when he's needed?

Guys like Verhaeghe and Barabanov are 100% the kind of projects we should be looking at again.

I am warming to the idea of Hall and think we should get that talent upgrade if we can. If not, I think we need to spend more money on the defense. It was good enough last year but hardly a rock solid blueline that could weather injuries and go on a deep run.

 

[OVO16]

For the most part I love this lineup. I move Mikheyev in the deal or Foegle. I sign Cizikas if I can instead of Haula. I sign Goodrow. And I give Robertson a full time job.
Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Foegle-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Cizikas-Goodrow
Kuraly-Spezza-Simmonds

Sorry in advance for messing with your third line lol

I like your thinking but I just think Cizikas is going to be completely overpriced and he seems like an NYI lifer. Getting both Cizikas AND Goodrow is gonna cost a lot.

Also, canes fans were adamant that Mikheyev isn't what the Canes would look for in Foegle. Defense and or picks is what they were talking about.

Makes me think if Dermott/Holl for Foegle would be possible.

 

[Nylander88]

I like your thinking but I just think Cizikas is going to be completely overpriced and he seems like an NYI lifer. Getting both Cizikas AND Goodrow is gonna cost a lot.

Also, canes fans were adamant that Mikheyev isn't what the Canes would look for in Foegle. Defense and or picks is what they were talking about.

Makes me think if Dermott/Holl for Foegle would be possible.

Didn't know Canes fans felt that way. I'm just done with Mikheyev personally. We can do better than a fast PKer that brings no offence and no grit. But ya I'd do either Holl or Dermott for Foegle, I like what he brings. Great Hyman replacement at 25yrs of age, like you said. And as far as Cizikas and Goodrow go, I think it's manageable with the above lineup. Kerfoot savings, Andersen savings, Hyman savings. Hyman becomes Goodrow money (2.25), Kerfoot easily becomes Cizikas (3.5, doubt he gets), Andersen money becomes 1B goalie and Foligno. Definitely possible but complete fantasy at this point lol

 

[Leaffan1991]

For the most part I love this lineup. I move Mikheyev in the deal or Foegle. I sign Cizikas if I can instead of Haula. I sign Goodrow. And I give Robertson a full time job.
Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Foegle-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Cizikas-Goodrow
Kuraly-Spezza-Simmonds

Sorry in advance for messing with your third line lol

I wish... this is exactly the type of lineup leafs need

 

[Nylander88]

I wish... this is exactly the type of lineup leafs need

Appreciate that. If only Dubas saw it this way lol

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I wish... this is exactly the type of lineup leafs need

It's basically the same as the lineup we had this year. 4 guys that can score and a lot of question marks.

They'd be a little more physical but the offense would be worse than this years bottom 6.

 

[Knies iT]

Appreciate that. If only Dubas saw it this way lol

He'll sign Granlund. Bet the farm.

I like your thinking but I just think Cizikas is going to be completely overpriced and he seems like an NYI lifer. Getting both Cizikas AND Goodrow is gonna cost a lot.

Also, canes fans were adamant that Mikheyev isn't what the Canes would look for in Foegle. Defense and or picks is what they were talking about.

Makes me think if Dermott/Holl for Foegle would be possible.

I've seen some Canes fans on the mains say they'd approve a deal based around Mikheyev as they fill similar roles. In a vacuum it is fair value given the cap savings for CAR and the lack of leverage given that Foegele asked out. Both are high-motor PKing wingers with similar point production and comparable age.

Ask yourself this - when the Leafs had a dumpster fire D core and were desperate for RHD, do you think a bottom six winger with a career average of 15-30pts pulls a #4/5 RHD like Holl? I would personally be fine with it due to need, but Foegele's value is minimal.

 

[Menzinger]

I wonder who Tampa moves out this offseason. It could potentially be 2 or 3 roster players

 

[HomelessPepper]

I wonder who Tampa moves out this offseason. It could potentially be 2 or 3 roster players

It makes a crapload of sense for them to work with Seattle to offload some cap for some futures, but I'd love a three-way with the following as a framework:

Seattle gets Marner
TB gets 2nd overall
Toronto gets Sergachev

Leafs could then offload Reilly for another top-6 guy.

Edit: this assumes that Seattle gets more than enough good defenders through the expansion draft and prioritizes an elite forward via trade.

 

[Torontonian]

On Taylor Hall rumor; depending on what he's asking for on the open market, if I remember correctly he said he wasn't going to try to get maximum money on the open market. Dubas will really be saying to hell with depth though. If he signs for 5m, the Leafs will have 7.85m in cap left (assuming we are losing Kerfoot to expansion) and the following roster:

Hall - Matthews - Marner
XXX - Tavares - Nylander
XXX - Engvall - Mikahev
Spezza - Brooks - Simmonds

Riley - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Sandin
Lilligren

Campbell
XXX

The 3rd leftwing spot is an interesting one because of Robertson, and whatever money is left over to upgrade certain positions like Engvall as 3c or Brooks as the 4c. But as it stands that's what the roster would like if they were to sign Hall or any one of the top UFA forwards for around 5 mill.​

 

[MarMarSab3]

I wonder who Tampa moves out this offseason. It could potentially be 2 or 3 roster players

Gourde and McDonough?

Seattle may help by taking one of Gourde, Palat, Johnson or Killorn

 

[Dreakmur]

Gourde and McDonough?

Seattle may help by taking one of Gourde, Palat, Johnson or Killorn

Johnson is gone. They’ll keep Gourde.

I think either Palat or Killorn move… though Stamkos is probably who I would try to move first. He’s on the third line, and likely returns good value.

 

[Menzinger]

Johnson is gone. They’ll keep Gourde.

I think either Palat or Killorn move… though Stamkos is probably who I would try to move first. He’s on the third line, and likely returns good value.

I can't see Stamkos leaving though. Has a full nmc, took a discount to stay long term with the team and seemingly loves playing in Florida.

Johnson is another tricky one. Owed a lot of real money and a high caphit. They had no takers the last time they tried to flip him and even had him on waivers with everyone passing. They probably have to add a few sweetners to make it happen.

Killorn is probably moved.

 

[Menzinger]

I'd pay a lot to get Cirelli, but imagine he's probably close to being an untouchable

 

[New Liskeard]

On Taylor Hall rumor; depending on what he's asking for on the open market, if I remember correctly he said he wasn't going to try to get maximum money on the open market. Dubas will really be saying to hell with depth though. If he signs for 5m, the Leafs will have 7.85m in cap left (assuming we are losing Kerfoot to expansion) and the following roster:

Hall - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk- Tavares - Nylander
Foligno- Engvall - Mikahev
Spezza - Brooks - Simmonds

Riley - Brodie
Muzzin - Dermott
Oleksiak - Bogo
Sandin Lily




Campbell
Ullmark/Big save Dave

​

 

[Amadeus]

I'd pay a lot to get Cirelli, but imagine he's probably close to being an untouchable

Selke caliber player. No way they move him.

 

[Torontonian]

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Are you slotting in Chucky/Foligo/Oleksiak/Bogo/Ulmark as the rest of the 7.85m being used?

I think theyll end up slotting Robertson in on the 3rd line trying to save money to be able to upgrade the 4c/3c position by either sliding Engvall to the 4c, and then signing someone as the 3c, or just outright trading Engvall and using his 1.2m + the rest of the cap to upgrade.

Also not a fan of Chucky returning to the 2nd line, I think they can find someone better/heavier then him.

 

[OptimusReim]

Taylor Hall is the last player this team needs, but given this management's fascination with skilled forwards who for a lack of better word, are soft, I can absolutely see us signing him.

We need some top 6 grit, an upgrade on Hyman, not a player like Taylor Hall.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Taylor Hall is the last player this team needs, but given this management's fascination with skilled forwards who for a lack of better word, are soft, I can absolutely see us signing him.

We need some top 6 grit, an upgrade on Hyman, not a player like Taylor Hall.

They went overboard on grit this past year and lost a series against a team that made the finals, despite being 1 goal away in g5/g6, and getting 1 goal from their 3 10M+ forwards (obviously not Tavares' fault). If they had a bit more skill maybe they get an extra goal and break through.

The way this team lost was embarassing and bad - leaving a sour taste in everyone's mouth. No question - but the margins between winning and losing in this league are so thin. The sport has so much randomness it's incredible.

Also, Hall isn't soft. Hes one of the better forcheckers in the league actually. Hes not going to crush you with a hit, but his fearlessness to get into the corners has gotten him hurt a number of times in his career actually.

I think hes staying in Boston though.

 

[Avilaj07]

Instead of using majority of whatever cap we have on getting hall, I'd much rather move Mikheyev and Engvall and revamp our 3rd line completely. Hopefully Kerfoot is taken by Seattle giving us a little bit more cap room as well.

Sign Goodrow 3yrs x 2.5 mil
Sign Czikas 3yrs x 3 million
Sign Foligno 2 yrs x 2.5 million

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Instead of using majority of whatever cap we have on getting hall, I'd much rather move Mikheyev and Engvall and revamp our 3rd line completely. Hopefully Kerfoot is taken by Seattle giving us a little bit more cap room as well.

Sign Goodrow 3yrs x 2.5 mil
Sign Czikas 3yrs x 3 million
Sign Foligno 2 yrs x 2.5 million

I don't think it has to be Hall but they need more juice up front for if/when a big 4 forward gets injured. They didn't give up much all year or in the playoffs vs MTL - their offense just dried up.

Also won't be shocked if all three of those guys get more $$$/better offers elsewhere though getting one of them would be nice too.

 

[leafsrule123]

Taylor Hall is the last player this team needs, but given this management's fascination with skilled forwards who for a lack of better word, are soft, I can absolutely see us signing him.

We need some top 6 grit, an upgrade on Hyman, not a player like Taylor Hall.

Grit hasn’t scored any goals these past 2 playoffs, they need goal scorers on the 3rd and 4th lines.