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Dreakmur said:
Two of the five guys are 3rd liners, yeah...
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Coleman, Haula, Kuraly.

With Saad being a step down from Hyman and Comtois (17% shooting) being a question mark.

TBH, if something like this happens then Dubas will have to be investigated because it's sabotage.
 
Dreakmur said:
I think he's a long-term option to be an elite 3c.

Just like most Marner trades, the biggest benefit is what you can do with the cap space. Let's say it's Gibson and Comtois + coming back.... you could keep Kerfoot and also sign Brandon Saad, Blake Coleman, Erik Haula, and Sean Kuraly.

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Yea, I think people opposed to a Marner trade are really downplaying how significant an asset the capspace is and how big a problem our cap structure is. Keep in mind we traded a 1st rounder, which turned into a 13th OA, to move one year of Marleau. Capspace has very significant value, plus there are frankly really good deals in free agency right now due to the flat cap.

Looking at our team, Kerfoot was our only forward after the top 4 that was making more than 2.25M last season, and that's a problem. I think you can build a better TEAM with three ~3.5-6M forwards than you can with one 10.9M foward and two ~1-1.5M forwards.

Even beyond the forwards, Hamilton is available in free agency this year, is from Toronto, is a better #1 D than we've had in decades, and is in his prime. If I'm drafting a team with no salary cap to try to contend for a Cup, I'm very likely taking Hamilton ahead of Marner, and Hamilton could be had for ~8-8.5M instead of 10.9M.

So while I wouldn't necessarily say I'd do the trade/signings you've suggested, I do think the general premise of moving Marner for a quality youngish top 6 forward + other pieces + capspace makes a ton of sense.
 
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ottomaddox said:
Many speculate that KD will make trades instead of diving into the UFA Market (the big names).

Do any of you agree?
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As others have stated Dubas doesn't have much to deal.

However I think he'll deal Kerfoot prior to the expansion draft and receive a decent return. Kerfoot just collected a signing bonus and in real dollars is owed 3.45M over the next two seasons. At that price point he provides a lot value to a budget conscious team.

Dealing Kerfoot also allows Dubas to go the route of protecting 8 players which means either Holl or Dermott are protected.
 
613Leafer said:
Yea, I think people opposed to a Marner trade are really downplaying how significant an asset the capspace is and how big a problem our cap structure is. Keep in mind we traded a 1st rounder, which turned into a 13th OA, to move one year of Marleau. Capspace has very significant value, plus there are frankly really good deals in free agency right now due to the flat cap.

Looking at our team, Kerfoot was our only forward after the top 4 that was making more than 2.25M last season, and that's a problem. I think you can build a better TEAM with three ~3.5-6M forwards than you can with one 10.9M foward and two ~1-1.5M forwards.

Even beyond the forwards, Hamilton is available in free agency this year, is from Toronto, is a better #1 D than we've had in decades, and is in his prime. If I'm drafting a team with no salary cap to try to contend for a Cup, I'm very likely taking Hamilton ahead of Marner, and Hamilton could be had for ~8-8.5M instead of 10.9M.

So while I wouldn't necessarily say I'd do the trade/signings you've suggested, I do think the general premise of moving Marner for a quality youngish top 6 forward + other pieces + capspace makes a ton of sense.
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Exactly.

Good teams have a lot of good players who all contribute something different. They have good players who score, good players who pass, good players who check, etc.
 
613Leafer said:
Yea, I think people opposed to a Marner trade are really downplaying how significant an asset the capspace is and how big a problem our cap structure is. Keep in mind we traded a 1st rounder, which turned into a 13th OA, to move one year of Marleau. Capspace has very significant value, plus there are frankly really good deals in free agency right now due to the flat cap.

Looking at our team, Kerfoot was our only forward after the top 4 that was making more than 2.25M last season, and that's a problem. I think you can build a better TEAM with three ~3.5-6M forwards than you can with one 10.9M foward and two ~1-1.5M forwards.

Even beyond the forwards, Hamilton is available in free agency this year, is from Toronto, is a better #1 D than we've had in decades, and is in his prime. If I'm drafting a team with no salary cap to try to contend for a Cup, I'm very likely taking Hamilton ahead of Marner, and Hamilton could be had for ~8-8.5M instead of 10.9M.

So while I wouldn't necessarily say I'd do the trade/signings you've suggested, I do think the general premise of moving Marner for a quality youngish top 6 forward + other pieces + capspace makes a ton of sense.
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Keep hearing of trading marner and I’m good either way but who is taking that contract?

would you?
 
Brobust said:
He's on Tampa's 3rd line.

If the idea is to take their 3rd line guy and stick him on the leafs top 6, then might as well blow the damn thing up and start over.
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He’s on Tampa’s second line. The Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line plays the second most.

Regardless, that’s what makes Tampa so good. They have 1st liners on their 2nd line, 2nd liners on their 3rd line, and 3rd liners on their 4th line.
 
Dreakmur said:
Exactly.

Good teams have a lot of good players who all contribute something different. They have good players who score, good players who pass, good players who check, etc.
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Matthews - scoring
Marner - playmaking
Engvall - defence

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Dragao6 said:
Keep hearing of trading marner and I’m good either way but who is taking that contract?

would you?
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After his signing bonus is paid, his average salary going forward is 6.2M. I'm pretty sure quite a few teams would be lining up for that. And if I'm an owner whose hockey operations have bled $$ during COVID, I'd be pushing my GM to add the potentially available 24 year old ~90+ point player for 6.2M in real dollars for the next 4 years, which is exactly the type of player that can put butts in the seats.

Also, while his caphit is bad, I think a good team can fit his caphit. You jsut can't reasonably expect to fit three forwards making ~10.9-11.6M.
 
Unless he comes at a massive discount, it would be a massive mistake signing Hall. They need to spread out the remaining cap space that they have left throughout the lineup.
 
Dragao6 said:
Keep hearing of trading marner and I’m good either way but who is taking that contract?

would you?
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There are a lot of teams that would if they get a guy like Marner. He's still a franchise player who can be a major boost for teams both on and off the ice. Including us, which is why we need a move that boosts us at least as much, if not more, than what Marner brings.

And it definitely won't be a move for cap space. That is just a bonus for us.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
There are a lot of teams that would if they get a guy like Marner. He's still a franchise player who can be a major boost for teams both on and off the ice. Including us, which is why we need a move that boosts us at least as much, if not more, than what Marner brings.

And it definitely won't be a move for cap space. That is just a bonus for us.
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The players you move Marner for are players that other teams won't part with. McAvoy, Svechnikov, Aho, Point, Petterson, Jack Hughes etc.
 
Brobust said:
The players you move Marner for are players that other teams won't part with. McAvoy, Svechnikov, Aho, Point, Petterson, Jack Hughes etc.
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If you're looking for a big fish in return there's Eichel

If you want to go in a different direction you can look for a top forward and picks then fill in with additional depth. This is my preference. Get a guy like Tkachuk or Laine with a first or more as well. Spend the remaining cap on a top 6 winger.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Less than 12 minutes per game, no pp time, very limited pk time. He was not a 3rd line player.
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Took him a while to get to speed. Which skews his averages.

He's good. Only reason to move in another direction is to have a more offensive 3rd line.
 
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