Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[LeafChief]

We should get a separate thread set up for Dekes and Dreakmur.

 

[Evilhomer]

Treliving won't want to take anyone off the roster other than guys like Robertson or Holmberg, so I think the more likely outcome is that he trades for guys in the mold of B Schenn, Gourde, etc., where the price will be a lower end prospect and a draft pick.

 

[Dreakmur]

We should get a separate thread set up for Dekes and Dreakmur.

We’re in every thread!

 

[Dreakmur]

Treliving won't want to take anyone off the roster other than guys like Robertson or Holmberg, so I think the more likely outcome is that he trades for guys in the mold of B Schenn, Gourde, etc., where the price will be a lower end prospect and a draft pick.

If the price for Schenn is low, that’s an obvious target.

 

[Evilhomer]

If the price for Schenn is low, that’s an obvious target.

The complication for the Leafs is that I would imagine they would want St. Louis, or a third team, to retain on Schenn's salary, which will cost additional assets.

 

[ULF_55]

We’re in every thread!

For now ...

 

[LeafEgo]

Rielly is expendable and should be moved for a Knies replacement if you get Dobson. Alas might be asking too much of Tre to do before the TDL.

NMC aside, I'd have to know what that looks like but I'm hesitant to agree off the top. The Maple Leafs are not in a strong position to remove playoff players from the lineup, regardless of early season hiccups.

Given our history, we should keep the things that work, and delete the things that don't. That goes for Keefe (gone), Domi, Reavo (money immaterial), Woll, our D build, prioritizing Matty and Willy goals, etc.

We have to make sure we go forward without going backwards, through the brief 100% hockey we get.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Cowan, Niemela, Timmins/Robertson/Kampf/Holmberg/Steeves and a 1st can get anyone is the NHL. It's the new Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

Antropov and a first was once our unbeatable offer.

 

[ToneDog]

NMC aside, I'd have to know what that looks like but I'm hesitant to agree off the top. The Maple Leafs are not in a strong position to remove playoff players from the lineup, regardless of early season hiccups.

Given our history, we should keep the things that work, and delete the things that don't. That goes for Keefe (gone), Domi, Reavo (money immaterial), Woll, our D build, prioritizing Matty and Willy goals, etc.

We have to make sure we go forward without going backwards, through the brief 100% hockey we get.

Let's discuss further if we acquire Dobson.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Rielly is expendable and should be moved for a Knies replacement if you get Dobson. Alas might be asking too much of Tre to do before the TDL.

If Rielly would get you a Knies replacement if Knies gets you Dobson, then why not just trade Rielly for Dobson?

 

[notDatsyuk]

We’re in every thread!

I have no problem with your constantly correcting him, but his convolutions in trying to not acknowledge any of it can be annoying after the first few trips down his rabbit holes.

 

[Skullz]

Dobson should become our biggest target. But if we can’t give up Knies.

 

[Stephen]

Buffalo has a history of letting players go only to see them bloom elsewhere

Cozens is almost certainly guaranteed to have a Conn Smythe Trophy caliber run the way things go for Buffalo.

 

[Americanadian]

Cozens is almost certainly guaranteed to have a Conn Smythe Trophy caliber run the way things go for Buffalo.

Unless the Hathaway fight truly did change him (something I’ve seen Sabres fans suggest).

 

[Kiwi]

Unless the Hathaway fight truly did change him (something I’ve seen Sabres fans suggest).

I'd be willing to bet on a 6'3 center who has quality tools and has scored 70 points and 30 goals in his early 20's

Especially on a team full of gutless wimps who won't stand up and protect there mates, nothing crushes a guys spirit faster than that combined with losing

 

[Gabriel426]

Cozens and Dobson are available. Really can’t believe that.
Is Dobson playing really bad as I don’t watch the Islanders.

 

[LaPlante94]

Marner for Pastrnak lets get it done.

 

[nuck]

Agreed, Leafs are in a position where we need to add without subtracting and without Knies we only have three wingers.

If we could get Dobson for Knies and then get an adequate replacement on the wing then we should be able to get Dobson without trading Knies.

If not, than it sounds like it's a bridge too far, which is unfortunate.

No Dobson for what they can trade. Young offensively talented right shot D with size are worth more than wingers unless there is a huge talent difference. Knies won't get there and Willie and Mitch aren't on the market. Interesting player for sure but the Leafs have two tiers of players and one of them has NM.

 

[LeafEgo]

No Dobson for what they can trade. Young offensively talented right shot D with size are worth more than wingers unless there is a huge talent difference. Knies won't get there and Willie and Mitch aren't on the market. Interesting player for sure but the Leafs have two tiers of players and one of them has NM.

We shouldn't let go of Knies anyways. I dont know what the NYI are thinking but if they want to start from the beginning than Cowan and the some good futures should get you on the phone.

If they're deluded and trying to do what Buffalo is doing than move on, let them trade with each other.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Wingers bring less than other positions and they bring even less when you have more of them. They are as impactful as that position can be…. Which is still the least of all the positions. Letang has on 8 occasions been a top-10 defender according to Norris voters. Rielly has done that once. The whole point of this discussion is about building a winner under the cap. Their core of forwards took up how much cap space? As I said, they are the closest in terms of roster composition, but their cap was much better managed. I’ve said it many times before - any roster composition can theoretically win the cup, but the salary cap requires that money be spent wisely. The law of diminishing returns applies to all positions, and especially at the less important ones. Unless Marner is going to take a discount, it’s not smart. We’ll be forever at a disadvantage in terms of roster building.

I gave you the example you asked for. Rielly has shown an ability to put up a Letang caliber performance in the playoffs, and Letang wasn't even there for one of the wins. The defensive performance they received does not require a ton of cap, or us losing our core. Cup winners come in all different shapes and sizes. There is no formula. But if there is a common trend, it's that successful teams invest in their best players, regardless of position. Marner is one of the best players in the league, and really important to all aspects of our team.

Wingers can be massively impactful, especially when they are a high end, two way, all situations player. There is enough room for two elite wingers on a team, and superstars are better cap value than the mid tier UFAs we'd try and replace him with. With the cap about to skyrocket, this is a great time to lock in a superstar, and we'll have space to surround the core. Re-signing Marner is the smart move. We'll just have to agree to disagree, because I am never going to agree with your perspective on team building.

 

[All Mod Cons]

If we want Dobson, Knies will be the main piece leaving us.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Assuming Schenn has this season and one more in him at a top 6 level, the buyout drops to 1.3 million when the cap will be like 110.

It would be a 3.6m hit for 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 though. That's pretty significant dead cap during the years we're likely more focused on competing in.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Just had a look at the main boards trade rumors section. Seems like everyone has caught on to our Robertson and a plethora of shit being offered for any rumoured available player.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Lou doesn't like prospects or picks so I wouldn't be surprised if he asks for Knies or nothing for Dobson

 

[TMLAM34]

Just had a look at the main boards trade rumors section. Seems like everyone has caught on to our Robertson and a plethora of shit being offered for any rumoured available player.

I think most people have moved on from that. Most offers are now including one of Minten/Cowan and our 1st. I think we all realize Robertson isn’t returning much lol.