Just like when people here called Nylander a 115 point player when he signed to justify the contract.
Coincidentally neither will Nylander seeing as he’s under a point per game in the 95 games since he signed. At least Forsberg put up a paltry 48 goals/94 points last year. As you said - not as good as 40 goals/98 points (unless you value goals more than points).
The mistake you are owning defeats your entire argument which I’m waiting for you to acknowledge.
Exactly what he meant if marner takes 100k less than mathews he ll say the same thing
LOL no it didnt, they still signed 2 different contracts in 2 different markets under 2 completely different league conditions. Stamkos makes as much as Forsberg and signed at the same time as Willy, whos better? Who were Forsbergs comparisons at the time he signed?
Most people would take Rantanen, I believe. If Mitch had any sort of positive playoff track record it could be closer but really, it shouldnt be too close at this point.
This is the argument you made:
The cap was 82.5M when Forsberg signed and 83.5M when Nylander signed. Why is Nylander paid 35% more only 17 months years later?
Rantanen easily.
The 21 year old C who scored 30 goals at age 20 and 10 goals in 19 playoff games last spring? Do you expect him to plateau at 20 years old or do you think he can be a point per game player (11.5M value in Toronto)?
Plenty of people on this board justified paying Nylander his first contract based on worse production than Johnston. I'd bet you were one of them. I'm pointing out that it would be hypocritical to say 9.1M is a bad deal for Johnston if you defended the Nylander deal when it was signed. I apologize if you also called the first Nylander deal a bad contract when it was signed. Please correct me if my assumptions were wrong.
Wyatt Johnston is pacing 65 points this season.
I completely agree! The other issue is they aren't getting enough surplus value on their high end contracts. Unlike Marner/Nylander/Matthews, Johnston has his prime in front of him and can realistically outperform the proposed contract (similar to how Nylander outperformed the same % of the cap!).
No Makar
I brought up Nylander because he’s a lesser comparable for the proposed contract (as I previously mentioned). You called the proposed contract bad, yet you were fine with Nylander’s first deal, which seems hypocritical given it’s an almost identical % of the cap for a player with better numbers playing a premium position.
This assumes it happens on July 1st. You’re also assuming Marner is re-signed which isn’t a given. What UFA would be a better fit than Johnston for this team? I understand the opportunity cost argument but I’d defend a move like this if it cost them a Sam Bennett or any of the other UFA C’s. Worst case scenario they take those same assets and trade for a C.
Isn’t that already his ask according to what’s out there? Why does Knies compare himself to Johnston when they play different positions and one has a career high of 65 points, the other 35? Johnston put up 42 goals between the regular season and playoffs last year, Knies has 36 in his career.
Mikko Rantanen on Avalanche contract talks and shock of being traded: ‘Everything happened so quick’
Rantanen said he thought talks with the Avs had been productive before the shocking trade to the Canes: "I didn’t know we were in a rush."www.nytimes.com
Rantanen is a pending unrestricted free agent in line for a massive payday this summer. He’s on pace for his third consecutive 100-point season, was the leading scorer on a Stanley Cup-winning club and has twice finished in the top-10 of Hart Trophy voting. With contract uncertainty looming, the Avalanche decided to trade him.
“I was ready to take a significant discount from my market value,” Rantanen said of a potential extension in Colorado. “We had some chats a couple days before and then they traded me. That’s what happened. That’s why I didn’t expect it.”
Colorado has franchise center Nathan MacKinnon signed to a $12.6 million average annual value contract, and the front office also has to look ahead to Cale Makar’s next contract. The 2022 Conn Smythe winner is extension eligible after the 2025-26 season and will presumably net a record-setting contract for defensemen, if not all players.
MacFarland clearly had reservations about having too much of his salary cap space tied up in three players, as prolific as they might be. The Avalanche also did not want to risk Rantanen reaching free agency and leaving before the team could recoup anything in return.
Rantanen declined to comment on exactly how much the Avalanche offered, so it’s unclear what his side viewed as market value or what it would have deemed a “significant” discount. Leon Draisaitl, who shares an agent with Rantanen, signed an eight-year deal with a $14 million average annual value cap hit, and it’s reasonable to expect a team will pay Rantanen around that much if he reaches the open market.
The Athletic’s Dom Luszczyszyn’s model projects Rantanen’s value above $13 million with projected raises in the salary cap.
Asked if he felt there was progress in recent contract talks, Rantanen said, “I did. I talked with our management and we had a conversation.”
That all contributed to the surprise of the trade.
“I didn’t know we were in a rush,” he said. “That’s what I felt. That’s my honest opinion. …"
“It’s business, and I understand. They’re trying to think what’s best for them.”
