Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[ToneDog]

Yep. Ferris is the sleaziest agent in the NHL. You just know eventually it will probably come out he was trading information in the media and paying for positive spins and spotlights for his players. Anyone see the Marner with a dog on the ice gimmick? Very dangerous for dogs but hey we got opinions to change and hearts to melt.

So freaking contrived.

Come on, it was bring your dog to work day. Anybody else bring their dog?

 

[Legion34]

Treliving seems really uncreative and unable to really pull off good short or long-term deals, maybe even both. We're 2 and a half years into his tenure and he hasn't made a significant trade since. Maybe that changes soon?

I'm fully prepared to be underwhelmed, or maybe just whelmed. Kunin would be in the whelmed category depending on the price to acquire.

I’m pretty sure he is one of the more creative gms in the league.

Hamilton blockbuster twice.
Matty T

Not saying he they all worked out but he is creative for sure.

 

[ToneDog]

In the grand scheme of things. Is 500,000k a lot more? Also we are hearing that Avs actually didn’t even go to 11.75. That’s what Rantanen’s camp was willing to go to. Avs wanted him even lower than 11.75

Kyper is full of shit on this. Friedman clearly has said on more than one occasion, the Avs offered $11.75m which would make him the highest paid winger. Interesting that he was pumping Marner at $13.8m a while back but now crickets. 11.5m is one hell of a discount because if Marner is worth 13.8, Ranta is worth 14.5.

Avs feel they can't win with 3 winners making $33+m going forward, even with the cap predicted to go to 100m in the next two years. Leafs trying to win with 4 losers making 50+% of their 87.5m cap and want to keep this gong show going.

 

[Legion34]

A 'rampage' hopefully no one was hurt.

Just mitches feelings that’s why he wrote that apology/thank you letter.

Mitch has played up to his contract. It wasn’t his fault the flat cap happened.
He wasn’t worth it based on what he did (rantanen comp) but he still made up for it.

He earned the negativity he got because of how his agent handled it.

Now he is preparing for round 2. If he leaves he will be Tavares 2.0. If he goes for every penny he will be hated.

I think he should take a deferall. Get the money down to like an 11.93 hit.

 

[SprDaVE]

I’m pretty sure he is one of the more creative gms in the league.

Hamilton blockbuster twice.
Matty T

Not saying he they all worked out but he is creative for sure.

Well since joining Toronto we haven't seen any of that. I'm not saying he's not capable of pulling of big deals or getting creative to bolster a roster. The Hamilton trade to Calgary was made 10 years ago. Then flipped him for Hanifin and Lindholm 3 years later.

 

[Legion34]

Well since joining Toronto we haven't seen any of that. I'm not saying he's not capable of pulling of big deals or getting creative to bolster a roster. The Hamilton trade to Calgary was made 10 years ago. Then flipped him for Hanifin and Lindholm 3 years later.

Tkachuk was the second biggest deal in memory. That was 2 years ago? JH turned into a pumpkin. But an rfa with 1 year left for
115 pt winger/top pair d/1st is great value.

I agree we haven’t seen it here

 

[WTFMAN99]

Well since joining Toronto we haven't seen any of that. I'm not saying he's not capable of pulling of big deals or getting creative to bolster a roster. The Hamilton trade to Calgary was made 10 years ago. Then flipped him for Hanifin and Lindholm 3 years later.

Tkachuk was the second biggest deal in memory. That was 2 years ago? JH turned into a pumpkin. But an rfa with 1 year left for
115 pt winger/top pair d/1st is great value.

I agree we haven’t seen it here

I was really hoping we were going to see that last summer...and we need to see it here otherwise they probably could have kept Dubas because it's relatively similar to what we've had anyway.

 

[hullsy47]

Darren Ferris went on a rampage about how Marner was pressured into taking a discount after Jeff O’Neill freaked out about Marner refusing 11x7 and he took a discount

Dreger went on the air talking about how Marner was offered more in CBJ

Different times .anybody can be traded

Yep. Ferris is the sleaziest agent in the NHL. You just know eventually it will probably come out he was trading information in the media and paying for positive spins and spotlights for his players. Anyone see the Marner with a dog on the ice gimmick? Very dangerous for dogs but hey we got opinions to change and hearts to melt.

So freaking contrived.

Dreger was on the ferris payroll for sure

 

[ULF_55]

Based on?

I think I found it.

 

[The Podium]

Just mitches feelings that’s why he wrote that apology/thank you letter.

Mitch has played up to his contract. It wasn’t his fault the flat cap happened.
He wasn’t worth it based on what he did (rantanen comp) but he still made up for it.

He earned the negativity he got because of how his agent handled it.

Now he is preparing for round 2. If he leaves he will be Tavares 2.0. If he goes for every penny he will be hated.

I think he should take a deferall. Get the money down to like an 11.93 hit.

Here’s something I don’t understand about these guys. When your career earnings are already close to 70 million and you’re about to sign another $80+ million contract, does 1.5-2mill per year matter in the grand scheme of things? Sure it’s $16 million over the course of a contract, but when your career earnings are projected to be $150 mill + investments + sponsorship and commercial deals it really isn’t a life changing sum anymore.

11.5x8 would be celebrated by the fan base and there would be less pressure. 13.5x8 and you’re public enemy number 1.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Anyone think the leafs should offer Marner 11.75m like Rantanen reportedly would have signed for?

If not ask him to waive and trade

They should, but he's not going to sign it though. Friedman has often said with Ferris and I may be slightly paraphrasing, "he takes his clients to free agency"

So, if he does resign here, my guess is going to at or near July 1st, and by then Mitch may have very well won the Selke and just a few days away from another team likely offering him between 12-14m per season.

 

[Torontonian]

Well since joining Toronto we haven't seen any of that. I'm not saying he's not capable of pulling of big deals or getting creative to bolster a roster. The Hamilton trade to Calgary was made 10 years ago. Then flipped him for Hanifin and Lindholm 3 years later.

That's because Shanahan is the one running the Toronto Maple Leafs, and not Treliving. Every thing runs through him. I think success for Shanahan is making the playoffs year in and year out & hopefully one Stanley Cup. Hence their logic and reasoning behind not trading top players and just filling around them.

Also, team isn't fond of trading long term potential players for short term players. Would Toronto trade 1sts/Cowan/Minten for players with term (4-7 year contracts). I think they would, but I don't think they are into trading 1sts and blue chip prospects for 30 games anymore.

 

[SprDaVE]

That's because Shanahan is the one running the Toronto Maple Leafs, and not Treliving. Every thing runs through him. I think success for Shanahan is making the playoffs year in and year out & hopefully one Stanley Cup. Hence their logic and reasoning behind not trading top players and just filling around them.

Also, team isn't fond of trading long term potential players for short term players. Would Toronto trade 1sts/Cowan/Minten for players with term (4-7 year contracts). I think they would, but I don't think they are into trading 1sts and blue chip prospects for 30 games anymore.

Shanahan is the President of hockey operations, so I sure hope he's involved. But to put the entire blame on him is weak. Treliving is the GM and thus makes the day to day moves of the team.

Who says they have to trade 1st rounders or blue chip prospects for rentals? For example, the Caps added Chychrun, Eller, Thompson, Mangiapane and Dubois without trading a top pick or top prospect in the last what... 6-8 months?

 

[Americanadian]

Who called Nylander a 115 point player?

Perhaps someone wrote he was on that pace, but calling him that? I didn't see it.

His point pace at the time he signed was the narrative in the media and here when he signed.

 

[TMLAM34]

I wonder if we can snag Crouse while his value is probably at its lowest.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Crouse - Tavares - Nylander

Having Knies, Crouse and McMann down the left side we’d be set for quite some time at that position.

 

[WTFMAN99]

 

[The Podium]

If anything let him clear and try to swing a deal at 50% retention. At this point of his career he’s not a 4.5 mill player for this season and next

 

[SprDaVE]

Going from scoring 26 goals last year to waivers this year... ouch. 7 20+ goal seasons out of like 12 seasons since joining the league.

I'd say he'd be well worth the full price gamble for a team with cap, like say the Ducks.

 

[TMLAM34]

Wonder if Chicago will claim him, their Hall replacement and he’s already familiar with the organization.

Surprised to see him on waivers, would definitely be interested in him if he clears and the Blues are willing to retain.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Going from scoring 26 goals last year to waivers this year... ouch. 7 20+ goal seasons out of like 12 seasons since joining the league.

I'd say he'd be well worth the full price gamble for a team with cap, like say the Ducks.

Advanced stats show he's been just awful on the PK.

 

[Fogelhund]

I wonder if we can snag Crouse while his value is probably at its lowest.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Crouse - Tavares - Nylander

Having Knies, Crouse and McMann down the left side we’d be set for quite some time at that position.

I've always been interested in Crouse, but he's having a really bad year. He's playing mostly with Cooley and Guenther and they have 42 and 34 points. Sure, some of that is on the PP, but Crouse has 11 points. But, they also love him there, and I doubt he's available, even if his value is down... plus, what is it we have, that they need? His form this year, is of no help to us... and playing with Tavares and Nylander isn't suddenly going to wake him up, if he can't put up points with Cooley and Guenther.

If we are swinging a deal with Utah, I'd be targeting McBain, whom can also play C, and would be more of a need. I doubt they move him either though.

 

[4thline]

If anything let him clear and try to swing a deal at 50% retention. At this point of his career he’s not a 4.5 mill player for this season and next

If we're dead set against playing Domi beside Matthews a 1 for 1 change of scenery would work for me too- though would be nice if they retained to cap neutral.

History with Berube and a better fit for the bottom 6- + more goal scoring

 

[Fogelhund]

Wonder if Chicago will claim him, their Hall replacement and he’s already familiar with the organization.

Surprised to see him on waivers, would definitely be interested in him if he clears and the Blues are willing to retain.

That would make some sense for them... hope that his game recovers a bit, and flip him retained next year for a future asset.

 

[Kiwi]

Well since joining Toronto we haven't seen any of that. I'm not saying he's not capable of pulling of big deals or getting creative to bolster a roster. The Hamilton trade to Calgary was made 10 years ago. Then flipped him for Hanifin and Lindholm 3 years later.

I'm willing to say he's lacked creativity

our asset base and cap situation demand a certain amount of creative, outside of the box thinking (like the McCabe trade)

He hasn't shown he has that ability and he's had some time now

 

[ToneDog]

I'm willing to say he's lacked creativity

our asset base and cap situation demand a certain amount of creative, outside of the box thinking (like the McCabe trade)

He hasn't shown he has that ability and he's had some time now

What can Tre trade for with what Shanny is willing to trade? You can't go shopping for a Mercedes if all you want to spend is enough money to buy a Lada. Hell Tre could not find a better trade option so he decided it was better to overpay a PPG winger.