Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[SprDaVE]

Waddle looking to prove himself one of the top GMs in the league. That's quite the steal.

Bold move from the AVS too On one hand, historically they've also had a sharp management group, so they can be given the benefit of the doubt. But also fair to question if giving up that player while you're obviously trying to be competitive with MacKinnon on that deal is the best decision.....

Don Waddell is the CBJ GM now. Tulsky took over the GM role in Carolina. I wanted him bad over the years to take over the Leafs role when it was clear Dubas was on the way out. He flubbed the Guentzel add but made it work eventually I guess.

It's definitely a bold move that will give them cap flexibility moving forward but... they are definitely weaker. Necas is solid but he's nowhere near as good as Rantanen.

 

[1specter]

Well first of all, Sakic isn’t the GM. This is Chris McFarlands work.

Lol every time I say Sakic someone always has to get into semantics about this. McFarland plays a part I'm sure but this is Sakic's team and vision, he built the championship roster. If anything it is similar to a Masai Ujiri-Bobby Webster situation - you don't think Masai is still running the show there?

 

[francis246]

Lol every time I say Sakic someone always has to get into semantics about this. McFarland plays a part I'm sure but this is Sakic's team and vision, he built the championship roster. If anything it is similar to a Masai Ujiri-Bobby Webster situation - you don't think Masai is still running the show there?

I actually don’t. I think Sakic is probably as hands on as Shanny is. Sakic won his cup and did a fantastic job building the team. McFarland was promoted from AGM. I think there’s probably a lot of trust there.

 

[Menzinger]

Don Waddell is the CBJ GM now. Tulsky took over the GM role in Carolina. I wanted him bad over the years to take over the Leafs role when it was clear Dubas was on the way out. He flubbed the Guentzel add but made it work eventually I guess.

It's definitely a bold move that will give them cap flexibility moving forward but... they are definitely weaker. Necas is solid but he's nowhere near as good as Rantanen.

I meant Tulsky, brain fart on my end. And likewise he was my choice to replace Dubas', alas they were smart enough to keep him in Carolina

 

[1specter]

Teams make mistakes. The Leafs didn't want to pay Hyman. Ottawa didn't want to pay Chara - the Bruins benefited greatly.

Besides, Colorado does this a lot. They let Kadri walk and also traded Ryan O'Reilly because he wanted 'too much money' - RoR ended up winning a Conn Smythe with St. Louis.

The RoR trade happened very early in Sakic's tenure, where he shared responsibilities with Patrick Roy. Sakic made some early mistakes but almost everything he's done since like 2017 has panned out quite well for him. Also ROR didn't just go straight and win a Cup, he was in Buffalo wasting away and crashed into a Tim Hortons drunk before he got his shit together in St.Louis.

Not bringing back Kadri was the right move and I say that as a huge Naz fan. Ultimately he was able to get Mittelstadt who is a better long term fit given his age and upside, and Byram isn't doing anything noteworthy in Buffalo. He extended his competitive window by doing that.

 

[thusk]

Necas 1st 22 game 45 goal 127 pts pace

since 12 goal and 64 pts pace

Will be fun tonwatch

 

[1specter]

I actually don’t. I think Sakic is probably as hands on as Shanny is. Sakic won his cup and did a fantastic job building the team. McFarland was promoted from AGM. I think there’s probably a lot of trust there.

I am sure McFarland handles day to day but there is no way Sakic is not heavily involved or does not have input. And from what we've heard about Shanny he seems to be pretty controlling actually

 

[LeafChief]

More trades please.

 

[Jozay]

Necas 1st 22 game 45 goal 127 pts pace

since 12 goal and 64 pts pace

Will be fun tonwatch

Hurricanes pump and dump Necas lol

 

[Divine]

The RoR trade happened very early in Sakic's tenure, where he shared responsibilities with Patrick Roy. Sakic made some early mistakes but almost everything he's done since like 2017 has panned out quite well for him. Also ROR didn't just go straight and win a Cup, he was in Buffalo wasting away and crashed into a Tim Hortons drunk before he got his shit together in St.Louis.

Not bringing back Kadri was the right move and I say that as a huge Naz fan. Ultimately he was able to get Mittelstadt who is a better long term fit given his age and upside, and Byram isn't doing anything noteworthy in Buffalo. He extended his competitive window by doing that.

Hard to say it was the right move when they've had as much playoff success as the Leafs since.

 

[1specter]

Hard to say it was the right move when they've had as much playoff success as the Leafs since.

They were going to lose players no matter what, they also had to move on from Burakovsky who was a big contributor because they needed money for MacK. With how much parity there is in this league anybody can lose and it wasn't their scoring that let them down the last two years but their goaltending.

 

[Gabriel426]

Rantanen is the Tkachuk of this trade...

How many time did Calgary made series since this deal... Hard to say its a good deal when the team struggling since...

I just say making a move doesn't mean its a good onr. Huberdeau/tkachuk... Treliving didn't really jas the choice so he did what he could... They made a hugr deal but could be as much a trade who could destroy a part of the team than a trade who help to reach an other level.

ps 1st pick just been used to dump Monahan contract

How many times did Flames make the playoffs with Tkachuk?
As for the 1st pick used to dump Monahan, well it will cost them a 1st regardless. So having that extra pick means they get to keep their own.

I agree not all trades work out for the favor of the team but if status quo is not working, making changes might help.

 

[Gabriel426]

Sakic impresses the hell out of me. No matter what he never lets any player be bigger than the team and he is never one to sit on his hands or get sucked into complacency. There is always a vision for everyone he acquires too - sure not every move pays off (Georgiev) but you gotta take a few Ls along the way to truly get better. I admire his aggressiveness and swift action.

Meanwhile in Toronto we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.

Don’t think the Leafs MGT is out of ideas more like out of balls

 

[Skullz]

Don Waddell is the CBJ GM now. Tulsky took over the GM role in Carolina. I wanted him bad over the years to take over the Leafs role when it was clear Dubas was on the way out. He flubbed the Guentzel add but made it work eventually I guess.

It's definitely a bold move that will give them cap flexibility moving forward but... they are definitely weaker. Necas is solid but he's nowhere near as good as Rantanen.

Yup I would loved to poach Tulsky. They always make good moves. Very intelligent front office. And bold

 

[LeafEgo]

I think that's exactly right. I think is making a pretty big mistake. Necas is a fine player, but slavishly sticking to a salary structure is all well and good until it makes you a worse team.

How you structure your only capped resources is pretty important. I think the Avs are looking at the Mac/Mak window - this year could have gone better thus far. They're going to build around their 1D 1C.

 

[Gabriel426]

Well first of all, Sakic isn’t the GM. This is Chris McFarlands work.

Kind of like Masai is the President and Webster is the GM for the Raptors.

I highly doubt Sakic was not involved in this deal

 

[ACC1224]

Kind of like Masai is the President and Webster is the GM for the Raptors.

I highly doubt Sakic was not involved in this deal

The GM does the work and sells the idea but no team moves a big name player without buy in from the whole organization.

 

[Gabriel426]

The GM does the work and sells the idea but no team moves a big name player without buy in from the whole organization.

Exactly. This is not a waiver pick up or a 3rd liner deal.
I doubt Sakic didn’t give the go ahead from the very beginning

 

[ACC1224]

Exactly. This is not a waiver pick up or a 3rd liner deal.
I doubt Sakic didn’t give the go ahead from the very beginning

Seems obvious they weren’t going to get a deal worked out to retain the player, so the moved on.
Player would probably be looked at as selfish in some markets.

 

[francis246]

Kind of like Masai is the President and Webster is the GM for the Raptors.

I highly doubt Sakic was not involved in this deal

No one is saying Sakic didn’t have input. But this was a Chris McFarland move. He probably did all the leg work and sold Sakic on the idea. The original poster was making it seem like Sakic directed the move, when that’s not how it usually works. I’m sure there was complete organizational buy in to move on from Rantanen. But McFarland is the one operating the phones and such.

 

[Gabriel426]

Seems obvious they weren’t going to get a deal work out to retain the player, so the moved on.
Player would probably be looked at as selfish in some markets.

Hard to say. As we don’t know the internal cap for the Avs.
Can only judge when Rantanen signs.

The other thing is Rantanen might told them, I am testing the market.

No one is saying Sakic didn’t have input. But this was a Chris McFarland move. He probably did all the leg work and sold Sakic on the idea. The original poster was making it seem like Sakic directed the move, when that’s not how it usually works. I’m sure there was complete organizational buy in to move on from Rantanen. But McFarland is the one operating the phones and such.

Honestly, does it matter if it is McFarland or Sakic or both?
Avs MGT made a collective decision to part ways with a pending in prime Superstar UFA while competing for the Cup.

 

[francis246]

Hard to say. As we don’t know the internal cap for the Avs.
Can only judge when Rantanen signs.

The other thing is Rantanen might told them, I am testing the market.


Honestly, does it matter if it is McFarland or Sakic or both?
Avs MGT made a collective decision to part ways with a pending in prime Superstar UFA while competing for the Cup.

I’m not even surprised they made that move, we heard all summer negotiations were going awful. And they were smart enough to make sure Rantanen was on a Limited NTC. So it’s a good move.

Not quite the same situation as Toronto. Though I’m sure some will make comparisons.

 

[ACC1224]

Hard to say. As we don’t know the internal cap for the Avs.
Can only judge when Rantanen signs.

The other thing is Rantanen might told them, I am testing the market.

Yeah for sure there is unknown, I’m full of assumptions. Carolina being better is the Leafs fan concern.

Avs fans don’t seem too happy. I stopped reading when I saw someone post they bought their kid a Rantanen jersey a couple days ago.

 

[Gabriel426]

I’m not even surprised they made that move, we heard all summer negotiations were going awful. And they were smart enough to make sure Rantanen was on a Limited NTC. So it’s a good bet

It was not a shock.
Still surprised it happens since Rantanen is a superstar.

Really curious to see what he ends up signing

 

[Dayjobdave]

If we were unable to keep Mitch I would love to have Rantanen. Man, Carolina looks strong.