Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[Americanadian]

Why do you feel they don't have 'accountability'?

Continuously paying players at the top, or above their comparables despite no playoff success. When was the last time anyone in the front office said “player X is not performing to the standard commensurate with their pay”?

 

[thewave]

They are huge difference between trading someone and making his life the most miserable possible to force him to waive his NMC. If you asking him to waive it and he accept, that's fine but you can't treat him like shit to make it happen and anyway with 2 week away of TDL, would be pratically impossible.

If you doing it

1- You will destroy your own locker room ( basically what NYR did)

2- Toronto is already not a top team on player wish list, he would just be even worst

They are very similar.

Continuously paying players at the top, or above their comparables despite no playoff success. When was the last time anyone in the front office said “player X is not performing to the standard commensurate with their pay”?

Exactly

 

[Americanadian]

Edit: false alarm.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Bruins
Brandon Carlo, Trent Frederic & Jeremy Brazeau
for
Nick Robertson, Connor Timmins, Max Domi & 2026 1st (Top 10 Protected)

Leafs - Utah HC
Jack McBain
for
Connor Dewar & Fla 2nd

Knies - - Matthews - - Marner
Frederic - Tavares - Nylander
Jarnkrok - McBain - McMann
Lorentz - - Kampf - - Brazeau

Rielly - - - Carlo
McCabe - Tanev
Benoit - - - OEL

 

[ACC1224]

Continuously paying players at the top, or above their comparables despite no playoff success. When was the last time anyone in the front office said “player X is not performing to the standard commensurate with their pay”?

Teams don't make those type of statements publicly especially in a market like Toronto.
There have been players not retained, it happens every year.
How do you know who they are using as comparables and why would they want to pay above them?

 

[Americanadian]

Teams don't make those type of statements publicly especially in a market like Toronto.
There have been players not retained, it happens every year.

Yet they have retained some players for 8+ years despite no success.

How do you know who they are using as comparables

The comparables are pretty obvious. It's a small league.
Nylander=Forsberg
Matthews=MacKinnon
Marner=Gaudreau

and why would they want to pay above them?

That is the ultimate question. I can't begin to fathom why they want to do it.

 

[ACC1224]

Yet they have retained some players for 8+ years despite no success.

The comparables are pretty obvious. It's a small league.
Nylander=Forsberg
Matthews=MacKinnon
Marner=Gaudreau

That is the ultimate question. I can't begin to fathom why they want to do it.

Yes, they retained some and let some go, turning over the entire roster isn't realistic.

I imagine they use all kinds of factors when determining contract value and comparables, saying this guy is equal to that guy so he should get the same money isn't how it works.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Leafs - Bruins
Brandon Carlo, Trent Frederic & Jeremy Brazeau
for
Nick Robertson, Connor Timmins, Max Domi & 2026 1st (Top 10 Protected)

Leafs - Utah HC
Jack McBain
for
Connor Dewar & Fla 2nd

Knies - - Matthews - - Marner
Frederic - Tavares - Nylander
Jarnkrok - McBain - McMann
Lorentz - - Kampf - - Brazeau

Rielly - - - Carlo
McCabe - Tanev
Benoit - - - OEL

I don't think I could pick a less Bruins type player than Robertson, unless Denis Malgin is still alive and kicking.

 

[Americanadian]

Yes, they retained some and let some go, turning over the entire roster isn't realistic.

How many teams currently have 4 players on their roster that were there in 2016-17? I can't find any that haven't also won a cup since then.

I imagine they use all kinds of factors when determining contract value and comparables, saying this guy is equal to that guy so he should get the same money isn't how it works.

If that's what makes you feel better then continue on. Just don't act surprised when this core eventually retires and the Leafs have nothing to show for it.

 

[ACC1224]

How many teams currently have 4 players on their roster that were there in 2016-17? I can't find any that haven't also won a cup since then.

If that's what makes you feel better then continue on. Just don't act surprised when this core eventually retires and the Leafs have nothing to show for it.

How I feel has no bearing on anything.

 

[Fogelhund]

Continuously paying players at the top, or above their comparables despite no playoff success. When was the last time anyone in the front office said “player X is not performing to the standard commensurate with their pay”?

You really think any professional organization would come out and say that in public? Those are internal discussions, that you, nor I would be privy to. To believe that such words would be uttered to the press is simply delusional. We have no idea what is said to players in practices, in meetings, or otherwise. We don't know to what degree there is internal accountability.

 

[Americanadian]

You really think any professional organization would come out and say that in public? Those are internal discussions, that you, nor I would be privy to. To believe that such words would be uttered to the press is simply delusional. We have no idea what is said to players in practices, in meetings, or otherwise. We don't know to what degree there is internal accountability.

I fully agree they wouldn’t say that in public but it would be warranted.

They continuously endorse the core players and reward them with new contracts that represent an anomaly in the marketplace. Where is the accountability here?

 

[WTFMAN99]

That being said, I think Reaves would be waived...who are underperforming guys you could bet on bounce backs in exchange for Kampf and/or Domi?

I thought about a Kampf for Torpchenko base...Torpchenko was a favorite of Berube in St.Louis. I wouldn't mind adding on Benoit and Tucker into the deal either.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

This team needs 2 things

#1 a 3C that's obvious we all know that.

#2 is a D man a lot of people will disagree with this but you can't convince me that a defense with both Myers and Timmins on it is good enough It's not.

If you can squeeze a winger in there too great.

But you NEED a center

You NEED a D man

They need all of these, but more importantly they need their top players to pull a finger out come crunch time, and the 4 nations is further evidence that is likely not going to happen.

 

[thusk]

Toronto is only a top destination at this point for players who were born in southern Ontario and even then it’s not like players are taking a discount to come play in Toronto. Would it be a bad thing if Toronto introduced a culture of accountability? That would make it more likely to attract the right players moving forward.

In theory its pretty good, in practice doesn't always work like you want.

Hiw you want to create it, trade everybody (Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Rielly and cie), reset and hoping a better result?

The day leafs signed JT, they exploded their own salary hierarchy.

Matthews should sign around probably 10,5m but with jt at 11M, For sure Matthews wanted to be highest paid player... Marner who was coming off a 94 pts should probably had sign around 10 but with both contract to JT and matthews and wanted hisbpart.

Couple of years later Matthews want an upgrade, Nylander wanted to be paid as much of the restvof the core, Marner will want a raise too.

How do you want to create a culture of accountability when your salary cap hierarchy is already broken? What you want and what you can in this world are 2 completly different thing

 

[Americanadian]

That being said, I think Reaves would be waived...who are underperforming guys you could bet on bounce backs in exchange for Kampf and/or Domi?

I thought about a Kampf for Torpchenko base...Torpchenko was a favorite of Berube in St.Louis. I wouldn't mind adding on Benoit and Tucker into the deal either.

At this point probably Dumba for Domi. Dallas is familiar with Domi, Dumba has 1 year left after this and can play 3RD. Treliving loves players that used to be good. Same cap hit. I would hate to take on Dumba but the term on the contract makes the trade palatable. There’s a good chance he ends up on LTIR halfway through the season anyway. I’d prefer Lyubushkin but they like him in Dallas.

For Kampf (assuming an off-season move) I could see Chicago taking him for free or even in a trade for Kurashev or Reichel.

In theory its pretty good, in practice doesn't always work like you want.

Hiw you want to create it, trade everybody (Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Rielly and cie), reset and hoping a better result?

The day leafs signed JT, they exploded their own salary hierarchy.

Matthews should sign around probably 10,5m but with jt at 11M, For sure Matthews wanted to be highest paid player... Marner who was coming off a 94 pts should probably had sign around 10 but with both contract to JT and matthews and wanted hisbpart.

Couple of years later Matthews want an upgrade, Nylander wanted to be paid as much of the restvof the core, Marner will want a raise too.

How do you want to create a culture of accountability when your salary cap hierarchy is already broken? What you want and what you can in this world are 2 completly different thing

This broken salary structure is directly correlated to their on-ice failures unfortunately.

 

[Budz]

It will be another mistake to drain out draft capital and prospects.
The 5 Nations should be an eye opener Mathews hurt, Willy pedestrian same with Marner
Other players in this tournament have given there all NOT OURS

It is harder and harder to have much faith in our core and their ability to elevate and increase complete level and adjust to higher levels of hockey.

 

[Fogelhund]

I fully agree they wouldn’t say that in public but it would be warranted.

They continuously endorse the core players and reward them with new contracts that represent an anomaly in the marketplace. Where is the accountability here?

Your solution was to just let Matthews go? You think his contract was an anomaly in the marketplace? Tavares contract wasn't an anomaly. Nylander's previous contract wasn't.

Marner's was a bit high... maybe $1.5 mil. I'd suggest Nylander's current one is a bit high too....

I'm not sure what you are looking for here. You think walking away from Matthews or Nylander would have made this team better. Strange.

 

[WTFMAN99]

At this point probably Dumba for Domi. Dallas is familiar with Domi, Dumba has 1 year left after this and can play 3RD. Treliving loves players that used to be good. Same cap hit. I would hate to take on Dumba but the term on the contract makes the trade palatable. There’s a good chance he ends up on LTIR halfway through the season anyway. I’d prefer Lyubushkin but they like him in Dallas.

For Kampf (assuming an off-season move) I could see Chicago taking him for free or even in a trade for Kurashev or Reichel.



This broken salary structure is directly correlated to their on-ice failures unfortunately.

I would begrudgingly make that Dallas trade but Dumba is so...so...bad but 1 year vs 3...

 

[Americanadian]

Your solution was to just let Matthews go? You think his contract was an anomaly in the marketplace? Tavares contract wasn't an anomaly. Nylander's previous contract wasn't.

Marner's was a bit high... maybe $1.5 mil. I'd suggest Nylander's current one is a bit high too....

I'm not sure what you are looking for here. You think walking away from Matthews or Nylander would have made this team better. Strange.

I’d have re-signed Matthews but I would have traded Marner in 2019 and traded Willy in the summer of 2023. I also would not re-sign Tavares today.

What would those trades have looked like? I can’t say today. I proposed a Marner+Marleau for Makar+4OA in the summer or 2019 on the main boards and got crucified by Leafs fans for that.

 

[thewave]

I’d have re-signed Matthews but I would have traded Marner in 2019 and traded Willy in the summer of 2023. I also would not re-sign Tavares today.

What would those trades have looked like? I can’t say today. I proposed a Marner+Marleau for Makar+4OA in the summer or 2019 on the main boards and got crucified by Leafs fans for that.

If you traded Marner in 2019, chances are Nylander comes in closer to 10m

 

[Americanadian]

If you traded Marner in 2019, chances are Nylander comes in closer to 10m

Which would have been more palatable.

 

[arso40]

In theory its pretty good, in practice doesn't always work like you want.

Hiw you want to create it, trade everybody (Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Rielly and cie), reset and hoping a better result?

The day leafs signed JT, they exploded their own salary hierarchy.

Matthews should sign around probably 10,5m but with jt at 11M, For sure Matthews wanted to be highest paid player... Marner who was coming off a 94 pts should probably had sign around 10 but with both contract to JT and matthews and wanted hisbpart.

Couple of years later Matthews want an upgrade, Nylander wanted to be paid as much of the restvof the core, Marner will want a raise too.

How do you want to create a culture of accountability when your salary cap hierarchy is already broken? What you want and what you can in this world are 2 completly different thing

Marner should have been 8.5 9 million dollars at most his number should have never been starting with a 10 I would trade marner 1 for 1 with jesper bratt I like his current cap hit for a too line winger

 

[arso40]

Your solution was to just let Matthews go? You think his contract was an anomaly in the marketplace? Tavares contract wasn't an anomaly. Nylander's previous contract wasn't.

Marner's was a bit high... maybe $1.5 mil. I'd suggest Nylander's current one is a bit high too....

I'm not sure what you are looking for here. You think walking away from Matthews or Nylander would have made this team better. Strange.

Marner was Damn near 2 mil over paid not maybe 1.5 he should have came in at 8-8.5 when Willy came in at under 7 but he thought he was worth 4 million more than Willie and 600 k less than matthews that’s your problem yes we didn’t need jt and he changed the cap structure but he was a ufa marner should have been traded for a haul but at this point we shouldn’t make letting our players walk be the first option try to trade marner for something he can fill our number 1 d role

 

[Fogelhund]

Marner was Damn near 2 mil over paid not maybe 1.5 he should have came in at 8-8.5 when Willy came in at under 7 but he thought he was worth 4 million more than Willie and 600 k less than matthews that’s your problem yes we didn’t need jt and he changed the cap structure but he was a ufa marner should have been traded for a haul but at this point we shouldn’t make letting our players walk be the first option try to trade marner for something he can fill our number 1 d role

Oh.. so your mad about our disagreement of $500k? Alright.

I thought we always argued players approaching UFA are worthless and can't be traded?