Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[Kurtz]

From what I've read, that deferred money is included in the Cap, but at the present value, whereas he'll get it at future value.

Been almost 50 years since I did Present Value / Future Value in accounting Texas Instruments T1. So don't ask me for the calculations.

They have them online now, old sport

Present Value Calculator - NPV

Use this present value calculator to find today's net present value ( npv ) of a future lump sum payment discounted to reflect the time value of money.

www.financialmentor.com

Using a conservative discount rate of say 5%, a million dollars in 2035 is worth $600k today. So I would assume that the league would take that $600k and spread it over the active length of the contract. So if a player signs a 6 year contract with a $1m bonus in 2035, the bonus would add $100k to the cap hit for every year of the 6.

I could be wrong but I think that's how they'd do it.

ROR didn’t want to re-sign in Toronto.. why would he accept a trade back?

We never really found out why. Could be he didn't like Keefe, whereas he won his cup under Berube.

 

[Magic Man]

ROR didn’t want to re-sign in Toronto.. why would he accept a trade back?

Nashville didn't give him any trade protection. He is an asset Nashville can dangle to the highest bidder.

It looks like he has two years on his deal after this one too. So, he is not a rental. If he were and we knew he would walk again, I wouldn't be interested in him. But, he is locked in at a rate that he would have never accepted to play in Toronto with decent term.

 

[ULF_55]

ROR didn’t want to re-sign in Toronto.. why would he accept a trade back?

He doesn't have any protection.

 

[Dreakmur]

Reilly+Cowan+1st
For
JT Miller, 2nd and 4th

Too much or too little?

Too much. If Vancouver wants to unload Miller…. Rielly straight up or close to it. Adding Cowan and a 1st is ridiculous.

 

[ULF_55]

Too much. If Vancouver wants to unload Miller…. Rielly straight up or close to it. Adding Cowan and a 1st is ridiculous.

Maybe they'd want Kampf?

Come on Canucks, you know you want him...

 

[weems]

 

[LeafChief]

Connor Murphy and 1 of theiir forwards would be interesting. I still think for some reason that Hall 50% retained for a 3rd is going to happen before the deadline.

 

[pspot]

- 3 assets.... 1st round pick, prospect, ...... the 3rd asset

1st, Minten and Timmins (Kampf or jarnkrok for salary)

Andersson would be a get for Leafs and would really solidify this run for at least another year assuming they can resign Marner and JT . I'd consider Cowan if flames add a prospect like Morin or Poirier

 

[Gabriel426]

But Plekanec did a difference...

If you hope a trade for a player who will carry the team on their back all playoff long, you will probably wait until you're die. Everyone on the team need to raise their game

Not spectacular doesn't mean that's not making a difference. Player add at TDL last 10

Tarasenko
Barbashev/Hill
Lehkonen/Manson
Coleman/Goodrow
Kempny
Streit/Hainsey
Schultz/ hagelin

Of that list Tarasenko was the only top 6 player or top 3 in D being traded. It was all depht player/ complementary piece and they all had pretty huge impact on their team run. They're all " throwing away pick to look better " like you said but they bring in exactly what they needed and that's worked for them. The fact that didn't worked for leafs in the past doesn't mean they should stop try to become better.

Agree. If we go back to all the TDL deals or even deals happened a week or two before TDL. Cup winners were usually the team that made depth trading and didn’t make a huge splash.
Forgot who but some MGT or coach once said that TDL is about rounding out your team and not about changing your team.
In reality, fans love their teams to trade and load up for top guys but if said team needs top guys to come in and become contenders, that team is really not a contender to begin with.

 

[Kiwi]

So that's going to be 2026 1st, Cowan + something else
What's the value of the something else?

A young roster player looking for an opportunity like Robertson? A B prospect like Niemela, A better prospect like Danford, A mid round pick?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

So that's going to be 2026 1st, Cowan + something else
What's the value of the something else?

A young roster player looking for an opportunity like Robertson? A B prospect like Niemela, A better prospect like Danford, A mid round pick?

I'd try and get away with trading a 1st+ Danford+ 2nd+ Robertson. That's a lot to give up but our D core would be one of the best in the league at that point.

 

[ULF_55]

Agree. If we go back to all the TDL deals or even deals happened a week or two before TDL. Cup winners were usually the team that made depth trading and didn’t make a huge splash.
Forgot who but some MGT or coach once said that TDL is about rounding out your team and not about changing your team.
In reality, fans love their teams to trade and load up for top guys but if said team needs top guys to come in and become contenders, that team is really not a contender to begin with.

Trouble is the Leafs aren't in the "rounding out your team" category.

We don't need to revisit the well known history of this iteration of the team.

They just aren't close to being a good playoffs team, let alone a Cup contender.

 

[mydnyte]

ROR + Schenn is the ideal package. No one wanted them to leave and this time they come with an extra year on their contracts.

Ryan Strome at 3.5M per for this year and next or something along those lines would be my next favourite option. McMann/Patches - Strome - Domi would be real tough to play against.

people need to stop living in the past ...RoR was on the decline in St Lou and Schenn was nothing more than a stylistic 'fit' and a name we remember.
RoR opted not to resign here because he didnt want all the extra pressure you get in Toronto.
He's also not having a great year as a #1C (which he isnt, but the extra ice time should help the stats), and certainly hasnt gotten any faster, and is another LHS.

 

[ToneDog]

So that's going to be 2026 1st, Cowan + something else
What's the value of the something else?

A young roster player looking for an opportunity like Robertson? A B prospect like Niemela, A better prospect like Danford, A mid round pick?

I doubt Flames will trade with Tre unless Tre pays a premium.

 

[Gabriel426]

Trouble is the Leafs aren't in the "rounding out your team" category.

We don't need to revisit the well known history of this iteration of the team.

They just aren't close to being a good playoffs team, let alone a Cup contender.

Agree and that’s why I want players with terms or at the very least capable of resigning instead of just pure rentals.

 

[Menzinger]

AFAIC, O'Reilly and Schenn can stay exactly where they are. Both had the chance to remain Leafs and chose to go hide in obscurity in Nashville.

I wouldn't pay any more assets to re-acquire these two bozos.

I might accept Schenn back if we were only giving up a 6 or 7th round pick and Nashville retained $1M. So, in other words, no I don't really want him back!

Yep. There time in Toronto has come and gone.

Ror flat out said he didn't like the attention that came in Toronto. Need to get guys who don't think that way

 

[thusk]

Trouble is the Leafs aren't in the "rounding out your team" category.

We don't need to revisit the well known history of this iteration of the team.

They just aren't close to being a good playoffs team, let alone a Cup contender.

Toronto who's actually 1st in Atlantic despite the fact Matthews was injured for over 90-95% of season... If they are not a cup contender so they are no cup contender in the east.

At a moment people will need to stop leaving in the past if you finally want to progress.

Agree. If we go back to all the TDL deals or even deals happened a week or two before TDL. Cup winners were usually the team that made depth trading and didn’t make a huge splash.
Forgot who but some MGT or coach once said that TDL is about rounding out your team and not about changing your team.
In reality, fans love their teams to trade and load up for top guys but if said team needs top guys to come in and become contenders, that team is really not a contender to begin with.

And they are a reason because those trade at those who giving up the best result. Its kind of player who didn't stole spot of anyone, they just took the spot available. They will not taking spot from anyone exemple on top pp unit. So they didn't created frustration in locker room by some player who had been send down. The will go where team need them and they will be haply with that.

The Tarasenko/ kane trade in NYR is a perfect exemple of how bring big fish can make you just worst. It was not what NYR needed, they took spot from player who was already there a big part of team succes unstead of complementary player... come playoff... The New York all stars team became a country club.

 

[Gabriel426]

Toronto who's actually 1st in Atlantic despite the fact Matthews was injured for over 90-95% of season... If they are not a cup contender so they are no cup contender in the east.

At a moment people will need to stop leaving in the past if you finally want to progress.




And they are a reason because those trade at those who giving up the best result. Its kind of player who didn't stole spot of anyone, they just took the spot available. They will not taking spot from anyone exemple on top pp unit. So they didn't created frustration in locker room by some player who had been send down. The will go where team need them and they will be haply with that.

The Tarasenko/ kane trade in NYR is a perfect exemple of how bring big fish can make you just worst. It was not what NYR needed, they took spot from player who was already there a big part of team succes unstead of complementary player... come playoff... The New York all stars team became a country club.

Agree 100%.

Esp top players, they need PP time to justify their cost and play. But most importantly the role.
Let’s say Stammer comes to TO, who will be the trigger man on the PP, AM or Stammer?

Like I said, fans get excited during the TDL as it shows their team got the best available players thus they will win it all… reality is that Cup winners just go out and grab players who round out their teams.
The only exception I would say was the era where Wings, Avs, Devils and then Stars in the late 90s where they constantly try to outbid each other to get the best players. Yet those players still play the roles the team set for them instead of taking roles of being the top dog on the team.

 

[ULF_55]

Toronto who's actually 1st in Atlantic despite the fact Matthews was injured for over 90-95% of season... If they are not a cup contender so they are no cup contender in the east.

At a moment people will need to stop leaving in the past if you finally want to progress.

The past is believing this team is a Cup contender.

 

[ULF_55]

people need to stop living in the past ...RoR was on the decline in St Lou and Schenn was nothing more than a stylistic 'fit' and a name we remember.
RoR opted not to resign here because he didnt want all the extra pressure you get in Toronto.
He's also not having a great year as a #1C (which he isnt, but the extra ice time should help the stats), and certainly hasnt gotten any faster, and is another LHS.

It would be nice to hear him honestly answer the question, which we won't ever hear.

Is he using the handy "Toronto market" refrain to avoid calling out players or coaches or ...?

 

[thusk]

The past is believing this team is a Cup contender.

Leafs are cup contender because :
1-They had 3 of best foward in the world, 2-one of best defensive team
3- the best goaltending tandem in the league
4- They are 1st in their conference, despite the fact they basically didn't had their best player heslthy in the 1st half

 

[Gabriel426]

It would be nice to hear him honestly answer the question, which we won't ever hear.

Is he using the handy "Toronto market" refrain to avoid calling out players or coaches or ...?

This is just a troll response and I am just reaching, lol

But didn’t his dad posted on X to thank a female attendant at the Hotel arranged by the Leafs for great hospitality. Think ROR’s mother probably told ROR not to resign with the Leafs or he won’t be coming home for Xmas.

Leafs are cup contender because :
1-They had 3 of best foward in the world, 2-one of best defensive team
3- the best goaltending tandem in the league
4- They are 1st in their conference, despite the fact they basically didn't had their best player heslthy in the 1st half

Did you considered the Nucks a contender last season?
As that’s pretty much described the Nucks last season plus they had not lose 3 games in any 7 games span.

Also, being a contender or not means nothing when it comes to winning the Cup.
Cup winners are not necessarily Contenders in Jan or even contenders in April.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Vancouver Canucks' Elias Pettersson, J.T. Miller share top spot in first Trade Bait board | TSN

Our Boy Nick Robertson is number 11 on the list, higher than players like Hall and Tanev... I wanted to say this is because of how much more likely he is to be traded but their number 1 spot is held by teammates, so who the hell knows

 

[The Podium]

I still think Noah Cates would be the best target now and for the future. He is the ideal 3C that is a pending RFA, he’ll be under team control for a while. Only problem is he doesn’t have the offensive potential to be a 2C. The question is whether the Flyers would even move him.

Noah Cates has long been celebrated for his two-way reliability and hockey IQ, but this season has seen him add a crucial element to his game: offensive production. After a slow start, Cates has rediscovered his scoring touch, becoming a pivotal piece of this line’s success.


Cates’ ability to read the game and position himself effectively makes him the “glue” of the trio. He excels in transition, often acting as the conduit between the defensive and offensive zones. His strong puck management and decision-making ensure that the line remains cohesive, even under pressure.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/philadelphia-flyers/latest-news/why-the-tyson-foerster-noah-cates-bobby-brink-line-is-thriving-for-the-flyers