Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[ULF_55]

No totally... A part of transition whos consist to join the rush and yes this part could result on pts

A part of itransitik s ability to make quick first pass and this part of transition doesn't result in pts

Is there a disconnect in this conversation.

Sounds like some are equating points for a defensemen as the only outcome with regards to being good at transition.

Transitioning the puck doesn't mean the defenseman doing the transition gets the points. A first pass (transition) from the defender could result in a goal where the defender gets nothing beside satisfaction for doing his job.

Anyone have stats showing on average how many passes per goal? How many passes from the d-zone result in a goal?

Kaberle I really didn't see as a puck transporter, but a defender who was very good at puck transitioning.

Rielly was more a puck transporter, who relied on his wheels more than his intangibles.

Rielly was one of the best from his draft, which maybe had 2 homeruns and several triples. Nothing near franchise level players.

 

[Stephen]

Is there a disconnect in this conversation.

Sounds like some are equating points for a defensemen as the only outcome with regards to being good at transition.

Transitioning the puck doesn't mean the defenseman doing the transition gets the points. A first pass (transition) from the defender could result in a goal where the defender gets nothing beside satisfaction for doing his job.

Anyone have stats showing on average how many passes per goal? How many passes from the d-zone result in a goal?

Kaberle I really didn't see as a puck transporter, but a defender who was very good at puck transitioning.

Rielly was more a puck transporter, who relied on his wheels more than his intangibles.

Rielly was one of the best from his draft, which maybe had 2 homeruns and several triples. Nothing near franchise level players.

Kaberle was an elite puck transporter. The way he would exit a zone and carry the puck through center ice cool and calm. Was a thing of beauty. A little different than Rielly's awkward 2 speed transition game: the more effective tunnel vision dash up the ice and the alternative off speed change up where any chaos might be unleashed.

 

[ULF_55]

Kaberle was an elite puck transporter. The way he would exit a zone and carry the puck through center ice cool and calm. Was a thing of beauty. A little different than Rielly's awkward 2 speed transition game: the more effective tunnel vision dash up the ice and the alternative off speed change up where any chaos might be unleashed.

Kaberle could skate, but my own memories is how he could capture the puck and within a moment the puck was heading up ice.

Perhaps it was vision, and I'm not sure they have a defender playing in the NHL that has that today.

 

[Stephen]

Kaberle could skate, but my own memories is how he could capture the puck and within a moment the puck was heading up ice.

Perhaps it was vision, and I'm not sure they have a defender playing in the NHL that has that today.

We really miss that intelligent, skating QB type from the back end like Kaberle. Rielly is closer to a Bryan Berard who was more about his athleticism and skating.

 

[Kiwi]

We don't have all scouting reports the Leafs have.

Leafs haven't done a great job drafting, developing and keeping defenders.

I think they're just stuck being weak in this position for the next several years.

Between GM and Coach, how many really have any faith in this team in this area?

Your being generous, we ******* suck at drafting and developing defenseman

We're going to have to rely on UFA, which isn't ideal

They have a philosophy, they value size and defensive ability imo

We will see if they were right

 

[Martin Skoula]

Kaberle could skate, but my own memories is how he could capture the puck and within a moment the puck was heading up ice.

Perhaps it was vision, and I'm not sure they have a defender playing in the NHL that has that today.

His defense wasn’t great but he’d still get PK time because he was an automatic zone exit pressure valve.

 

[rumman]

Kaberle was an elite puck transporter. The way he would exit a zone and carry the puck through center ice cool and calm. Was a thing of beauty. A little different than Rielly's awkward 2 speed transition game: the more effective tunnel vision dash up the ice and the alternative off speed change up where any chaos might be unleashed.

Kaberle could also defend capably, something Mo has never learned……..

 

[Kiwi]

We really miss that intelligent, skating QB type from the back end like Kaberle. Rielly is closer to a Bryan Berard who was more about his athleticism and skating.

I loved Berard, my all time favorite Leafs player
Broke my heart when he got that horrible injury

 

[Stephen]

I loved Berard, my all time favorite Leafs player
Broke my heart when he got that horrible injury

Me too. Maybe not my all-time favorite, but up there with Potvin, Sundin, Kaberle, Willie and Matthews.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[Legion34]

Does that mean he had the leafs on it originally?

 

[cyris]

Is there a disconnect in this conversation.

Sounds like some are equating points for a defensemen as the only outcome with regards to being good at transition.

Transitioning the puck doesn't mean the defenseman doing the transition gets the points. A first pass (transition) from the defender could result in a goal where the defender gets nothing beside satisfaction for doing his job.

Anyone have stats showing on average how many passes per goal? How many passes from the d-zone result in a goal?

Kaberle I really didn't see as a puck transporter, but a defender who was very good at puck transitioning.

Rielly was more a puck transporter, who relied on his wheels more than his intangibles.

Rielly was one of the best from his draft, which maybe had 2 homeruns and several triples. Nothing near franchise level players.

Mo is definitely better than anyone drafted before him which isn’t saying much as he is the only one from the top 5 still in the league.

 

[ULF_55]

No is definitely better than anyone drafted before him which isn’t saying much as he is the only one from the top 5 still in the league.

Yeah, not a great draft, but Rielly was probably the correct pick, Forsberg (IIRC) would have been a stretch, and he wasn't Canadian. Burke had a blind spot.

 

[cyris]

Yeah, not a great draft, but Rielly was probably the correct pick, Forsberg (IIRC) would have been a stretch, and he wasn't Canadian. Burke had a blind spot.

Yeah the other guy from that draft is Vasi but that also would have been a massive stretch.
At the time I wanted the leafs to trade down and try to get both of Forsberg and Grigorenko.
I don’t know if that would have been possible and half of that would have been a big miss. Absolutely no complaints about how it ended up working out for us.

 

[PromisedLand]

Does that mean he had the leafs on it originally?

seems like it

 

[ULF_55]

seems like it

Any port in a storm.

 

[Rocker13]

I loved Berard, my all time favorite Leafs player
Broke my heart when he got that horrible injury

My favourite Leaf defender, still remember the Hossa follow through...still makes me queasy to think about

 

[ULF_55]

I really felt bad for Jim McKenny.

He took every mistake like it was the end of the world.

Tim was my favorite though, until Salming.

 

[BertCorbeau]

That Blackwood signing is just f***ing weird

 

[aingefan]

That Blackwood signing is just f***ing weird

Right?
I’m glad you said it.

 

[Puckstuff]

Robertson + 1st for Ryan Strome, 25 % retained

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Patches. Tavares - Marner
McMann -Strome-Nylander