Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

Does O’Rielly make the Leafs better?

  • Yes

    Votes: 36 57.1%
  • No

    Votes: 24 38.1%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Total voters
    63
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Sypher04

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Ideally you’re acquiring guys with some term if you’re using the more premium assets.

That said, we are in a 4 year window right now so sitting on your hands and not doing your best to augment the team for a run is also not really acceptable either.
 

thusk

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I'd like to be proven wrong but I'm still not buying that Stolarz/Woll and especially McCabe-Tanev/Rielly-Hakanpaa/OEL-Timmins/Benoit are top goaltending and defensive units league wide. Not that the bottom 6 scoring depth is good by any means either.

On one hand it'd be a shame to waste another year of Matthews/Nylander/Marner prime but I don't think there's a rental on the market who makes the team legit contenders. Hope they don't bleed more important assets for someone who's gone after 10-20 games and a first/second round flame out.

Also I don't know why anyone would be excited to add Ryan Strome. Shouldn't be anywhere near a faceoff circle, isn't fast; physical, offensively effective (relative to salary), or defensively responsible.

Just for fun, for you who are the legit contender right now?

Florida who one of 10 worst defensive team this season?

NYR who gad been a deceptikn most of season

Carolina who always the same story year after year

NJ whowas a nob-playoff team last year?

Washington??? really???

Tampa with no depht or Boston with no punch at all?

tell me who should be real pretender if Toronto are not because sorry i don't see at all
 

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Ideally you’re acquiring guys with some term if you’re using the more premium assets.

That said, we are in a 4 year window right now so sitting on your hands and not doing your best to augment the team for a run is also not really acceptable either.

Doing nothing is usually not a good approach unless your team is so superior a change would degrade it.

Leafs are a top 10 team, so they do not fit in the can't improve category.

Closer to the deadline they should know if they're a legitimate favorite, but even then they have a longer term commitment to their fans / season ticket holders / sponsors to maintain a good level of performance year after year.

As much as rhetoric says, "we'll take a Cup at any cost!", the Leafs aren't a secondary product like in some American cities where hockey is second or third or fourth in pecking order for sports dollars.

Emptying the cupboard for a chance at winning a couple rounds ... not sure I'm onboard for that. Oh, not much in the cupboard so it isn't like dealing from a position of strength.
 
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Skullz

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Rielly has been extremely disappointing for me this year. He is locked up for a long time.

I wonder if we might consider a move there? He has arguably become our third most important defencemen after Tanev and McCabe.

This would be an offseason thing tho. See how the postseason goes.
 
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TheShape

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Rielly has been extremely disappointing for me this year. He is locked up for a long time.

I wonder if we might consider a move there? He has arguably become our third most important defencemen after Tanev and McCabe.

This would be an offseason thing tho. See how the postseason goes.
Full NMC. Only core player to take less money to stay, it would be a long shot. I think Rielly's here until the window closes.
 
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LeafEgo

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I’ve been trying to think if I want a 3c or another top 4 d.

As an example, Ryan Strome or Ivan Provorov?

Difficult choice.
Agreed, maybe both Laughton and Murphy at half price for this year and next could work. A righty dman would make things easier.
 

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Feel like Buffalo would never trade in divison but Dylan Cozens as #2C would be amazing. They wouldn't be open to prospects I am assuming and I wouldn't want to move Knies
 

Joel Ward

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There are elements of your post here that I definitely agree with. Not bleeding assets for rentals, why do we want Ryan strome? Etc

However, regarding the rest…
- So far, the defensive results speak for themselves and that’s with a whole pile of ahl call ups coming in due to forward injuries as well. Yes, we will see how it all holds up, but there aren’t really any indicators at this time that our defensive results are a mirage.

- I think the point saying there is probably no player on the rental market that makes us legitimate contenders is ridiculous. We are 5th in the league and while I understand we’ve had some playoff struggles, we are still already legitimate contenders - we have some holes/issues to deal, as do all the others. We don’t need some massive change to our group, we could probably use an impact scorer (one who can ideally help the pp) and we need to reconfigure some of the depth forwards as well. Our holes are no more significant than the other contending teams.
You're right in that just over a third of the way into the season, the defense and goaltending have been extremely successful, and the defense has been relatively healthy. If that continues through to March I'll be thrilled. My concerns are the following:
- Going into the season, I don't think it was a stretch to say that just about everyone on the defense has slotted a position too high, Rielly not an ideal 1D, Tanev's not an ideal #2, etc. Outside of Mo, many have exceeded expectations in a relatively small sample size.
- Two of our 3 most important defenders have been plagued by extensive injury issues in their careers. McCabe has never played a full season in 12 years in the league and has already missed time with injury. Tanev has played one full season in 15 years in the league and eclipsed 70 games just three times. A Tanev injury, in particular, is something the Leafs are ill-equipped to weather. The idea of Timmins, Hakanapaa or Myers playing top 4 minutes in important games is scary.

Outside of Brock Nelson, which pending UFA that might realistically be available would move the needle for the Leafs in your view? Granlund has failed to hit the ground running after two deadline trades already and won't get the same minutes in Toronto. Pettersson and Provorov are awkward fits for various reasons and it seems most think the forward group is most in need of an addition anyways. I have a hard time seeing Marchand being dealt to the Leafs even if the Bruins are out of it. Claude Giroux's not the scoring threat he once was and will probably be in high demand if he even wants to chase a cup. Others aren't that much of an offensive improvement over in-house options (Pacioretty/Domi/Minten).

Just for fun, for you who are the legit contender right now?

Florida who one of 10 worst defensive team this season?

NYR who gad been a deceptikn most of season

Carolina who always the same story year after year

NJ whowas a nob-playoff team last year?

Washington??? really???

Tampa with no depht or Boston with no punch at all?

tell me who should be real pretender if Toronto are not because sorry i don't see at all
I see what you're saying, it does seem the east/atlantic is more open than in years past.

Out of the Atlantic, I'm still not confident in the Leafs beating Florida or Tampa. Florida's defense and goaltending have taken a step back but hard to know what you're getting from Bob come playoff time. Tampa, in my view has a better defense and I'm taking Vasilevskiy over Stolarz/Woll in a best of 7 series - you may disagree. Not to mention both teams have multiple high end forwards who have outperformed the core 4 in the playoffs the past several seasons.

In the Metro, Carolina's a tough matchup and Jersey is no slouch. I also have trouble with seeing how you can argue the Caps defense/goaltending is a mirage but then argue the Leafs group is for real. Maybe you've seen some stats I'm not aware of. I don't think the Caps are contenders either FYI.
 

horner

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I believe Tanev's brother will be on our team after the deadline
On pace for 18 g 38 pts
Seattle will have to eat 1 mil to get any assets for him

A perfect bottom 6 player
Block shots
PK
Loves to hit
Speed

Then he will be resigned in the off-season for about 2.5 mil
 
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SprDaVE

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I believe Tanev's brother will be on our team after the deadline
On pace for 18 g 38 pts
Seattle will have to eat 1 mil to get any assets for him

A perfect bottom 6 player
Block shots
PK
Loves to hit
Speed

Then he will be resigned in the off-season for about 2.5 mil

If the Leafs are healthy... who does he play over? Would he be much of an upgrade over Lorentz or Dewar? He definitely won't be playing 14-15 minutes like he does in Seattle.
 
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sxvnert

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Leafs need to sign Lorentz & Dewar long term asap. 3-4 years @ 1.3-1.4m.

Bring in Tanevs brother to complete the fourth line: Lorentz-Dewar-Tanev
 

Skullz

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Canucks are trying to move Desarnais, and Treliving has apparently tried to trade for him before.


Maybe a depth add as Hakanpaa insurance. I would not give up much of anything though.
 

cyris

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Canucks are trying to move Desarnais, and Treliving has apparently tried to trade for him before.


Maybe a depth add as Hakanpaa insurance. I would not give up much of anything though.
Yeah I think Dubas tried to get him before too so you know the org likes him.
That said I don’t think he would be a good fit with Benoit at all and he shouldn’t be playing any higher in your lineup than the bottom pair.
 

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St. Louis wanting to move Saad, I would definitely be interested if they could retain any of that contract. Use Robertson + to acquire him. Knies, Saad, McMann and Lorentz is a nice lineup on the left side.
 

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Leafs need to sign Lorentz & Dewar long term asap. 3-4 years @ 1.3-1.4m.

Bring in Tanevs brother to complete the fourth line: Lorentz-Dewar-Tanev
Yeah, lock them up long term so we can all love them like we do the Kampf deal! Especially if we have young guys trying to break into the NHL like Grebenkin, we dont want there to be any competition for that spot since we want our 4th line cozy every night.

No thanks, not into long term for 4th liners, just look at the Engvall deal for the extreme example lol.
 
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LeafSteel

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Canucks are trying to move Desarnais, and Treliving has apparently tried to trade for him before.


Maybe a depth add as Hakanpaa insurance. I would not give up much of anything though.
Treliving tried to get him when he moved Lafferty but Edmonton didn’t want to move him.

At this point, who is he better than? Timmins?

If Hakanpaa can get better, who is better?
 

sxvnert

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Yeah, lock them up long term so we can all love them like we do the Kampf deal! Especially if we have young guys trying to break into the NHL like Grebenkin, we dont want there to be any competition for that spot since we want our 4th line cozy every night.

No thanks, not into long term for 4th liners, just look at the Engvall deal for the extreme example lol.
Unlike Kampfs 2.4m, these are 1.3-1.4m.
 

cyris

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That is still literally double what the Florida Panthers pay *each of* their 4th liners and 4 years is too long for 4th liners, even 3 years was too long for Reaves.
Yeah I’m not a fan at all to locking up 4th liners to term. Especially at over 1M a season.
I like Lorentz and think he has been great for us but it’s just bad asset management
 

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