Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[SprDaVE]

Salary cap aside, I take Kampf over Dewar as the 4C any day. Not sure what people see in Dewar besides being a fringe undersized NHLer.

Unfortunately you can't just excuse the salary cap. It's one of the biggest factors in building a proper team.

He's about the same player for a fraction of the cap.

 

[Legion34]

If hypothetically and extremely unlikely we were to ever land Jiricek. Would he play for us right now? He would be better than Timmins right?

 

[SprDaVE]

If hypothetically and extremely unlikely we were to ever land Jiricek. Would he play for us right now? He would be better than Timmins right?

Probably not? Fabbro was just picked up on waivers and has been playing 21+ minutes a night for Columbus. If he can't get into the Blue Jackets lineup over multiple seasons, not sure he'd be a player that gets in our lineup.

 

[thusk]

For everyone who talking about making a move for Jiricek, do you really know why Columbus looking to kove him? The kid just dowsn't accept to play in a team system...

Do you really think than a team whos looking for playoff succes will have any interest in a player who can't play in team?!?!?!

 

[Dreakmur]

Unfortunately you can't just excuse the salary cap. It's one of the biggest factors in building a proper team.

He's about the same player for a fraction of the cap.

He’s not about the same player though.

 

[SprDaVE]

He’s not about the same player though.

Both low event low offense 4th liners. One is better on draws, the other is a lot more physical. I would say they are similar in the role they play. The big difference is 1.3M in salary.

 

[ULF_55]

They have a roster than can fit all that?

Jank is probably going to retire.
Kampf is a whatever
Minton met
Cowan sure
1st meh whatever late 1st

The scraps make it a no go and someone else will beat the package.

NMC

The scenario was only Toronto.

To me it would be Colorado.

 

[Dreakmur]

Both low event low offense 4th liners. One is better on draws, the other is a lot more physical. I would say they are similar in the role they play. The big difference is 1.3M in salary.

Everyone is as good as Kampf.... until they have to do his job. They always fail.

 

[LeafEgo]

Both low event low offense 4th liners. One is better on draws, the other is a lot more physical. I would say they are similar in the role they play. The big difference is 1.3M in salary.

You certainly want a Kampf over Dewar manning the 4the line. The salary is significant at over twice as much, 2.4 is a lot, but somehow it seems pretty difficult to replace Kampf for much cheaper. It would mean downgrading the fourth line to upgrade elsewhere, and that could work too.

 

[kb]

Bjugstad might be a good 3C option, if we don't feel Minten is ready. He's a UFA, Utah is struggling, his contract is just $2.1 mil, so he's easy to fit in cap wise... shouldn't cost too much. Big C, physical, has put up points when put in a position to do so. Is at 0.46 PPG this year in 13 games, which is better than guys like Gourde, Laughton... Utah does much better when he's on the ice, than off... It might be a good cheaper option.

Jarnkrok+pick for Bjugstad.

 

[SprDaVE]

Everyone is as good as Kampf.... until they have to do his job. They always fail.

Not sure what that means but Kampf has not been a success at all lol

You certainly want a Kampf over Dewar manning the 4the line. The salary is significant at over twice as much, 2.4 is a lot, but somehow it seems pretty difficult to replace Kampf for much cheaper. It would mean downgrading the fourth line to upgrade elsewhere, and that could work too.

Difficult to replace in what way? What exactly is so hard to replace? I'm very confused here but maybe I'm missing something.

Opinions will always be different so it's probably an agree to disagree thing here but in the last week of Kampf being out of the lineup I can't say I ever thought to myself "Man, I miss Kampf here".

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not sure what that means but Kampf has not been a success at all lol



Difficult to replace in what way? What exactly is so hard to replace? I'm very confused here but maybe I'm missing something.

Opinions will always be different so it's probably an agree to disagree thing here but in the last week of Kampf being out of the lineup I can't say I ever thought to myself "Man, I miss Kampf here".

Just wish Dewar was better on face-offs, Lorentz is good at them but doesn't seem to take them much.

I think we can utilize the 2.4M much better but I left last night's game thinking we need to bolster the top 9.

A very good 3C is a need, maybe even a winger, not sure about what we have at wing.

Defense...Hakanpaa played 2 games and hasn't really played since...is his knee cooked? If so, we might want a defenseman.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

You certainly want a Kampf over Dewar manning the 4the line. The salary is significant at over twice as much, 2.4 is a lot, but somehow it seems pretty difficult to replace Kampf for much cheaper. It would mean downgrading the fourth line to upgrade elsewhere, and that could work too.

Kampf isn't going anywhere this season. Nor is Jarnkrok.

We can use both of these guys.

If either of them is dealt it will be after they collect their signing bonus in the off-season and to a team more concerned with real dollars than the Leafs.

Kampf is due a signing bonus on July 1st of 1.33M and after that is owed a total of 3.5M for two seasons of play so a 1.75M salary per season vs his cap hit of 2.4M.

 

[SprDaVE]

Just wish Dewar was better on face-offs, Lorentz is good at them but doesn't seem to take them much.

I think we can utilize the 2.4M much better but I left last night's game thinking we need to bolster the top 9.

A very good 3C is a need, maybe even a winger, not sure about what we have at wing.

Defense...Hakanpaa played 2 games and hasn't really played since...is his knee cooked? If so, we might want a defenseman.

Kampf isn't going anywhere this season. Nor is Jarnkrok.

We can use both of these guys.

If either of them is dealt it will be after they collect their signing bonus in the off-season and to a team more concerned with real dollars than the Leafs.

Kampf is due a signing bonus on July 1st of 1.33M and after that is owed a total of 3.5M for two seasons of play so a 1.75M salary per season vs his cap hit of 2.4M.

Kampf isn't going anywhere this season, mostly because of his limited NTC (wild that he got one) and his zero value. And that's fine, he's alright on the fourth line. But they definitely should dump his contract as soon as they can in the off-season. Jarnkrok isn't getting traded while on LTIR.

Leafs can get creative to bolster their 3rd line further without having to disrupt their lineup.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kampf isn't going anywhere this season, mostly because of his limited NTC (wild that he got one) and his zero value. And that's fine, he's alright on the fourth line. But they definitely should dump his contract as soon as they can in the off-season. Jarnkrok isn't getting traded while on LTIR.

Leafs can get creative to bolster their 3rd line further without having to disrupt their lineup.

This off-season might be able to get him over to New Jersey, there is room on their 4th line at that point but the return will be minimal, maybe a 2026 7th.

 

[SprDaVE]

Not sure if this is what Kyper accurately said but it makes sense. Hildeby and AA probably would be very good value for retooling/rebuilding teams. Considering our assets, we might not have much of a choice if we want to improve the roster.

 

[Evilhomer]

Not sure if this is what Kyper accurately said but it makes sense. Hildeby and AA probably would be very good value for retooling/rebuilding teams. Considering our assets, we might not have much of a choice if we want to improve the roster.

I imagine the guy that will be traded is Matt Murray, not the other two.

 

[SprDaVE]

I imagine the guy that will be traded is Matt Murray, not the other two.

Murray has no value, the other 2 do. It depends entirely on the goal of the trade for either team. If the other team just want a stop gap veteran, Murray for free makes sense. If the Leafs want to improve, they may have to trade a young asset.

 

[Fogelhund]

Murray has no value, the other 2 do. It depends entirely on the goal of the trade for either team. If the other team just want a stop gap veteran, Murray for free makes sense. If the Leafs want to improve, they may have to trade a young asset.

I suppose it depends on what you are getting back. I'd hate to do the Pogge/Rask thing again though.

 

[ACC1224]

Not sure if this is what Kyper accurately said but it makes sense. Hildeby and AA probably would be very good value for retooling/rebuilding teams. Considering our assets, we might not have much of a choice if we want to improve the roster.

The thought of trading a goalie is terrifying

 

[SprDaVE]

I suppose it depends on what you are getting back. I'd hate to do the Pogge/Rask thing again though.

The thought of trading a goalie is terrifying

On the flip side their value are reaching a high point and goaltenders are voodoo. I don't think the Leafs want to give them away...

Surely Treliving can do good.

 

[1specter]

Not sure if this is what Kyper accurately said but it makes sense. Hildeby and AA probably would be very good value for retooling/rebuilding teams. Considering our assets, we might not have much of a choice if we want to improve the roster.

Would prefer not to do this. Goaltending is fickle, and goalies can fall apart at any moment, especially past age 30 like Stolarz or an injury prone guy like Woll. You also want to avoid another Rask/Pogge scenario.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Not sure if this is what Kyper accurately said but it makes sense. Hildeby and AA probably would be very good value for retooling/rebuilding teams. Considering our assets, we might not have much of a choice if we want to improve the roster.

I imagine the guy that will be traded is Matt Murray, not the other two.

Murray has no value, the other 2 do. It depends entirely on the goal of the trade for either team. If the other team just want a stop gap veteran, Murray for free makes sense. If the Leafs want to improve, they may have to trade a young asset.

I suppose it depends on what you are getting back. I'd hate to do the Pogge/Rask thing again though.

The thought of trading a goalie is terrifying

I would trade Murray before trading the other 2, Carolina might give us a 7th

In terms of AA / Hildeby...you don't want to get it wrong...and you definitely want to get a long term piece in return if you're trading one of these guys, it cannot be for a rental.

We would need an age appropriate potential top 4 RD or centre

Korczak
Schneider

Centre...centre is harder to think of.

Both have a long ways to go for waivers if the offers suck at least

 

[SprDaVE]

Would prefer not to do this. Goaltending is fickle, and goalies can fall apart at any moment, especially past age 30 like Stolarz or an injury prone guy like Woll. You also want to avoid another Rask/Pogge scenario.

I get it and I'd also be hesitant depending on the target but I'm not sure why every goaltender trade equals or is compared to the Rask and Pogge trade from over a decade ago. The Leafs wouldn't be trading one for another goaltender.

They are an asset like any other.

 

[Fogelhund]

One of the challenges in moving a goalie, is who exactly would get moved, for what value?

For example, take Colorado or Carolina ... teams desperately needing a goalie.

They both need a NOW goalie. So trading for AA or Hildebeast doesn't make any sense for them. They might be good goalies, with a good future, but they aren't read for the NHL. Which leaves Stolarz and Woll... who objectively we can't afford to move, unless somehow we thought one of the AHL guys were ready... which they aren't.

So, there isn't really much in the way of logic, to get value here. I suppose there could be a team looking for goalie prospects... but that isn't a very common move.

Murray... sure... very low return, who cares.