Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[1specter]

I get it and I'd also be hesitant depending on the target but I'm not sure why every goaltender trade equals or is compared to the Rask and Pogge trade from over a decade ago. The Leafs wouldn't be trading one for another goaltender.

They are an asset like any other.

Probably because homegrown goaltending drafting and development in this franchise has been relatively poor, and Rask was the best goaltending selection this franchise made since Potvin and they traded him away. It's not been a position of strength given leading to people's hesitancy.

 

[SprDaVE]

One of the challenges in moving a goalie, is who exactly would get moved, for what value?

For example, take Colorado or Carolina ... teams desperately needing a goalie.

They both need a NOW goalie. So trading for AA or Hildebeast doesn't make any sense for them. They might be good goalies, with a good future, but they aren't read for the NHL. Which leaves Stolarz and Woll... who objectively we can't afford to move, unless somehow we thought one of the AHL guys were ready... which they aren't.

So, there isn't really much in the way of logic, to get value here. I suppose there could be a team looking for goalie prospects... but that isn't a very common move.

Murray... sure... very low return, who cares.

Who says it has to be a team that needs goaltending now? A lot of rebuilding/retooling teams may see either of our Marlies goaltenders are a good asset to build with long-term. A prospect is a prospect. Hildeby probably is in the NHL by next season for us or another team. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be at the NHL this season if he's ever traded -- which is very doubtful since he's our 3rd stringer.

Probably because homegrown goaltending drafting and development in this franchise has been relatively poor, and Rask was the best goaltending selection this franchise made since Potvin and they traded him away. It's not been a position of strength given leading to people's hesitancy.

Yeah but that was so long ago. Leafs have traded/waived plenty of other goaltenders since then and it hasn't been a disaster everytime. I get that this is a touchy subject but we need to give to get and the goal of winning a stanley cup, or at the very least some form of post-season success, is probably greater than anything.

Like anything it has to make sense of course.

 

[WTFMAN99]

One of the challenges in moving a goalie, is who exactly would get moved, for what value?

For example, take Colorado or Carolina ... teams desperately needing a goalie.

They both need a NOW goalie. So trading for AA or Hildebeast doesn't make any sense for them. They might be good goalies, with a good future, but they aren't read for the NHL. Which leaves Stolarz and Woll... who objectively we can't afford to move, unless somehow we thought one of the AHL guys were ready... which they aren't.

So, there isn't really much in the way of logic, to get value here. I suppose there could be a team looking for goalie prospects... but that isn't a very common move.

Murray... sure... very low return, who cares.

I'm going to throw out an absolute bat shit crazy idea...and one we really don't know the answer to right now, it's an off-season at least.

If we conclude playoffs but want to change things...Vegas and Colorado need right now goalies because Hill isn't signed beyond this year.

Would you trade...

Woll+Robertson/Holmberg for Nichushkin if he can keep clean the rest of this year and the playoffs?

Would you trade Woll+Holmberg/Robertson/Jarnkrok for Karlsson or Hertl and Korczak?

I don't know if either team would do it but Vegas is stupidly deep at centre with Eichel, Hertl, Karlsson, Howeden and Roy (some are on wing).

Let Hildeby or AA win a job out of camp next year?

 

[Fogelhund]

Who says it has to be a team that needs goaltending now? A lot of rebuilding/retooling teams may see either of our Marlies goaltenders are a good asset to build with long-term. A prospect is a prospect. Hildeby probably is in the NHL by next season for us or another team. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be at the NHL this season if he's ever traded -- which is very doubtful since he's our 3rd stringer.

How often has a NHL prospect goalie been traded at this level of development? It almost never happens. Which GM is out there thinking... if I only had a goalie in my system, who might be ready in a couple of years?

Sharks have Askarov
Ducks have four prospect goalies 22 and under.
Nashville is married to Saros for the next decade.
Chicago has three goalie prospects, though frankly none are as good as any of ours.
Columbus has five goalie prospects
Montreal has six goalie prospects
Detroit has six goalie prospects
Ottawa has four goalie prospects.

The reality is, prospect goalies are rarely sought after commodities, and don't have much value. There really isn't a franchise, that needs prospect goalies... except maybe Chicago, who probably have years before they are ready to compete anyway... so no urgency there at all.

I'm going to throw out an absolute bat shit crazy idea...and one we really don't know the answer to right now, it's an off-season at least.

If we conclude playoffs but want to change things...Vegas and Colorado need right now goalies because Hill isn't signed beyond this year.

Would you trade...

Woll+Robertson/Holmberg for Nichushkin if he can keep clean the rest of this year and the playoffs?

Would you trade Woll+Holmberg/Robertson/Jarnkrok for Karlsson or Hertl and Korczak?

I don't know if either team would do it but Vegas is stupidly deep at centre with Eichel, Hertl, Karlsson, Howeden and Roy (some are on wing).

Let Hildeby or AA win a job out of camp next year?

Too many ifs, whats... and maybes. There are something like 50 NHL Goalie UFA's available in the offseason.... Would other teams prioritize making a trade for a G, when they can sign a guy without giving up assets?

 

[WTFMAN99]

How often has a NHL prospect goalie been traded at this level of development? It almost never happens. Which GM is out there thinking... if I only had a goalie in my system, who might be ready in a couple of years?

Sharks have Askarov
Ducks have four prospect goalies 22 and under.
Nashville is married to Saros for the next decade.
Chicago has three goalie prospects, though frankly none are as good as any of ours.
Columbus has five goalie prospects
Montreal has six goalie prospects
Detroit has six goalie prospects
Ottawa has four goalie prospects.

The reality is, prospect goalies are rarely sought after commodities, and don't have much value. There really isn't a franchise, that needs prospect goalies... except maybe Chicago, who probably have years before they are ready to compete anyway... so no urgency there at all.


Too many ifs, whats... and maybes. There are something like 50 NHL Goalie UFA's available in the offseason.... Would other teams prioritize making a trade for a G, when they can sign a guy without giving up assets?

Hill
Husso
Allen
Andersen
Georgiev
Vanacek
Vejmelka
Blackwood
Vladar
Samsonov
Lindgren
Rittich
Lyon
Lankinen
Thompson

I would guess Thompson and Vejmelka get re-signed

The rest....Woll would be better than any of them right?

I know what you mean though in saying that there are a lot of what if / maybes in my scenario but those seem like 2 parties we could connect with if we chose to do so.

 

[Fogelhund]

Hill
Husso
Allen
Andersen
Georgiev
Vanacek
Vejmelka
Blackwood
Vladar
Samsonov
Lindgren
Rittich
Lyon
Lankinen
Thompson

I would guess Thompson and Vejmelka get re-signed

The rest....Woll would be better than any of them right?

I know what you mean though in saying that there are a lot of what if / maybes in my scenario but those seem like 2 parties we could connect with if we chose to do so.

It's only even possible, if we get past Free Agency, and those teams failed to sign a decent UFA... and we failed to address our holes, and we somehow have cap room.... and ....

 

[TheDoldrums]

I get it and I'd also be hesitant depending on the target but I'm not sure why every goaltender trade equals or is compared to the Rask and Pogge trade from over a decade ago. The Leafs wouldn't be trading one for another goaltender.

They are an asset like any other.

The point of Rask/Pogge is that they had two promising prospects, felt they needed to trade one to improve the team and of course picked the wrong one. It's not that every goaltender trade that is like this, it's specifically the situation of choosing which prospect to keep that understandably makes people nervous.

Artur has played 7 games in the AHL. To me it's insane to consider choosing between him or Hildeby when we have so little information about him. Especially when our two NHL goalies are either injury prone or are on a short-term deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

How often has a NHL prospect goalie been traded at this level of development? It almost never happens. Which GM is out there thinking... if I only had a goalie in my system, who might be ready in a couple of years?

Sharks have Askarov
Ducks have four prospect goalies 22 and under.
Nashville is married to Saros for the next decade.
Chicago has three goalie prospects, though frankly none are as good as any of ours.
Columbus has five goalie prospects
Montreal has six goalie prospects
Detroit has six goalie prospects
Ottawa has four goalie prospects.

The reality is, prospect goalies are rarely sought after commodities, and don't have much value. There really isn't a franchise, that needs prospect goalies... except maybe Chicago, who probably have years before they are ready to compete anyway... so no urgency there at all.


Too many ifs, whats... and maybes. There are something like 50 NHL Goalie UFA's available in the offseason.... Would other teams prioritize making a trade for a G, when they can sign a guy without giving up assets?

A lot of those teams looking at their depth doesn't have close to NHL ready goaltending depth. And maybe a team like our guys a lot more than the guys they have. They may have a lot of prospects but not all of them are doing well.

Say if Utah calls and offers McBain for AA as the main piece...

The point of Rask/Pogge is that they had two promising prospects, felt they needed to trade one to improve the team and of course picked the wrong one. It's not that every goaltender trade that is like this, it's specifically the situation of choosing which prospect to keep that understandably makes people nervous.

Artur has played 7 games in the AHL. To me it's insane to consider choosing between him or Hildeby when we have so little information about him. Especially when our two NHL goalies are either injury prone or are on a short-term deal.

Yeah I know exactly what it means but it doesn't mean they will turn out that way is my point? Every prospect could turn into stars if traded. We know Hildeby is really good and AA is obviously showing a lot of promise as well. It's a big reason that they are likely coveted for pieces back. We won't be making many trades if we value top prospects in a way that we get scared of trading them. We dumped Verhaeghe as well at one time, should we never trade a forward prospect until they have no value? I'm a huge fan of Cowan but I'd trade him too if it meant having Crosby or some other game breaking player being added (purely hypothetical).

It's always dependent on the return. Nobody is saying to give them up for nothing. And I've always said trading Hildeby would be a mistake because you always need 3 goaltenders, but maybe you take a chance if something comes up. It's not black and white.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Senseless to move any of our goaltending g prospects

Stolie’s been good but doesn’t have the track record to rely on him so depth is key

Woll’s injury history is well documented

Hildeby has 1 season with the Marlies and we control his rights plus he’s waiver exempt . Very much so a work in progress

R2 just came over from Russia

Goalies are quite volatile and good depth is so important when you don’t have a sure thing