Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[Fogelhund]

I’d hope at 6-5-2 they’d be smart enough to look to look beyond this season. Assuming a Woll+McMann for Georgiev+Ritchie (assuming Colorado values him over Robertson), the Leafs are subtracting McMann from the playoff roster for a potential Tavares replacement as soon as next year.

You think management is ready to throw in the towel on the season after 13 games? Where we are in a playoff spot? It is a win now mentality... there is ZERO chance they are willing to sacrifice competitiveness this season, for a few years down the road.

 

[Gabriel426]

We're just really bad trading partners. The only thing that can work is if they trade their 2nd for Robertson. I'm not sure the Leafs will want a simple pick though.

Robbie and Calle for Colton.


Edit: Just checked Colton is our for 6-8 weeks.

 

[Torontonian]

If I am Toronto, I look at moving Robertson and pick(s) for a centreman. Devorak from MTL is someone that might have a little more to give if he's moved off of a bad MTL team. (Biggest issue has been health, so maybe not him).

Our depth scoring is a issue once again 13 games into the season again. Our 3rd line has provided us nothing and I think it stems from not having Domi on the wing and having a two way centerman on the 3rd line.

 

[Americanadian]

You think management is ready to throw in the towel on the season after 13 games? Where we are in a playoff spot? It is a win now mentality... there is ZERO chance they are willing to sacrifice competitiveness this season, for a few years down the road.

If they are competent they’ll realize they’re not cup contenders. Is trading Woll+McMann for Ritchie+Georgiev going to remove them from playoffs? Unlikely. They shouldn’t be afraid to re-tool ahead of a very pivotal off-season.

 

[Fogelhund]

If they are competent they’ll realize they’re not cup contenders. Is trading Woll+McMann for Ritchie+Georgiev going to remove them from playoffs? Unlikely. They should re-tool.

After 13 games.... with a new coach, implementing a new system.

You can't be serious with this, can you?

 

[weems]

After 13 games.... with a new coach, implementing a new system.

You can't be serious with this, can you?

We've actually played better than our record shows and our PP has really cost us.

If someone is into advanced stats, this shows we are playing very solid hockey 5v5.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853418590105469294

 

[Malachi Crunch]

After 13 games.... with a new coach, implementing a new system.

You can't be serious with this, can you?

Given Woll's injury history though, would moving him in a trade that included Georgiev be that bad? I know Georgiev stunk last year and, so far, this year, but he was pretty good before that (competent back-up, at the least). Hildeby and Murray are also not bad #3 options. At least Georgiev is durable.

I mean, there's risk there, but for getting Richie (the coveted future 2C), it may not be the worst idea.

 

[Americanadian]

After 13 games.... with a new coach, implementing a new system.

You can't be serious with this, can you?

I’ve been preaching a re-tool for 5 years. This proposed move is not even a big shake up.

Do you think they’re cup contenders and Woll and McMann are necessary to get them there?

 

[Fogelhund]

Given Woll's injury history though, would moving him in a trade that included Georgiev be that bad? I know Georgiev stunk last year and, so far, this year, but he was pretty good before that (competent back-up, at the least). Hildeby and Murray are also not bad #3 options. At least Georgiev is durable.

I mean, there's risk there, but for getting Richie (the coveted future 2C), it may not be the worst idea.

Georgiev is a 0.822 this year. That's just terrible.

Hildeby I don't think is ready... and Murray doesn't even look that good with the Marlies... basically being their third string guy.

I mean, I really like Ritchie though...

But I take more exception to this idea that the Leafs Management are ready to re-tool after 13 games with a new coach, and new system... and they should come to the conclusion that this squad has no hope in the playoffs based on such a sample size. These types of comments are well outside of reality IMO.

A deal to get Ritchie... interesting.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Georgiev is a 0.822 this year. That's just terrible.

Hildeby I don't think is ready... and Murray doesn't even look that good with the Marlies... basically being their third string guy.

I mean, I really like Ritchie though...

But I take more exception to this idea that the Leafs Management are ready to re-tool after 13 games with a new coach, and new system... and they should come to the conclusion that this squad has no hope in the playoffs based on such a sample size. These types of comments are well outside of reality IMO.

A deal to get Ritchie... interesting.

I agree with the 13 game thing. I'd only do a trade that still leaves us pretty even at the present time (while addressing a future need).

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If they are competent they’ll realize they’re not cup contenders. Is trading Woll+McMann for Ritchie+Georgiev going to remove them from playoffs? Unlikely. They shouldn’t be afraid to re-tool ahead of a very pivotal off-season.

If Colorado wants to make such a lopsided trade in the Leafs favour I wouldn't have any problems with it myself.

 

[Fogelhund]

I’ve been preaching a re-tool for 5 years. This proposed move is not even a big shake up.

Do you think they’re cup contenders and Woll and McMann are necessary to get them there?

In the end, it doesn't matter what we believe. Your statements that the Leafs should retool, and throw in the towel on this season, because of a 13 game record, are where the problems are. They are just disconnected from any reality for the team. There is no chance they'd make a move to downgrade the team now, for a future piece... zero.

I like the idea of getting Ritchie though... I don't think they'd consider McMann... because they need him in the lineup now. They aren't creating now holes, to fix something a year, two, or three years down the road... that's just not connected with reality. (Not that McMann is special, just that we don't have a replacement NOW)

If they were thinking of moving Robertson anyway... sure. But the question will be, would they think Georgiev could play better, after a move? Having your #2 with a 0.822 just isn't acceptable, it's pretty much an auto loss, and there is no way Stolarz can play every game, and it's also probable he misses a stretch with injury. I mean, I wouldn't hate a Woll + Robertson trade, if somehow Georgiev could find his form. The question being, is Tre risk adverse to try this, on the chance it backfires... clearly, we are better with a healthy Woll, than a current form Georgiev. Your betting Georgiev can play to Woll's level with a change of scenery... the odds there are pretty poor. LT, we would win the trade for sure... but they are in a win today mode.

 

[Americanadian]

In the end, it doesn't matter what we believe. Your statements that the Leafs should retool, and throw in the towel on this season, because of a 13 game record, are where the problems are. They are just disconnected from any reality for the team. There is no chance they'd make a move to downgrade the team now, for a future piece... zero.

I like the idea of getting Ritchie though... I don't think they'd consider McMann... because they need him in the lineup now. They aren't creating now holes, to fix something a year, two, or three years down the road... that's just not connected with reality.

If they were thinking of moving Robertson anyway... sure. But the question will be, would they think Georgiev could play better, after a move? Having your #2 with a 0.822 just isn't acceptable, it's pretty much an auto loss, and there is no way Stolarz can play every game, and it's also probable he misses a stretch with injury. I mean, I wouldn't hate a Holl + Robertson trade, if somehow Georgiev could find his form.

I like how you’re preaching small sample and calling Georgiev a .822 goalie in the same post.

I’m not saying Stolarz is guaranteed to play 50+ or even play 30+ at this level. I am saying that they should capitalize on any value Woll has before he tanks his value similar to Liljegren. Similarly I think McMann is currently at peak value. I like McMann a lot but similar to Woll he has a long history of injuries and wasn’t available for them in the playoffs last year.

I don’t think either player impacts their cup aspirations this year or in the future.

 

[Fogelhund]

I like how you’re preaching small sample and calling Georgiev a .822 goalie in the same post.

I’m not saying Stolarz is guaranteed to play 50+ or even play 30+ at this level. I am saying that they should capitalize on any value Woll has before he tanks his value similar to Liljegren. Similarly I think McMann is currently at peak value. I like McMann a lot but similar to Woll he has a long history of injuries and wasn’t available for them in the playoffs last year.

I don’t think either player impacts their cup aspirations this year or in the future.

Georgiev is a small goalie, who is facing falling confidence... it a position where size is preferred, and confidence is everything. Sure, the 0.822 is terrible (and a small sample), but last year wasn't very good either. He's a goalie who's play is in decline, lacks size... he's been the worst goalie in the league this year. His declining play isn't a small sample.

If you are confident that a guy like Grebenkin/Robertson could come in and replace McMann... then maybe you consider it... but McMann has three goals, and all of the forwards who played bottom size last night, plus the scratch, have 6 goals total. We have a real bottom six scoring issue NOW... so moving half of the bottom six scoring, ain't going to happen.

But it all comes down to this thing, that they are going to sacrifice anything this year, that they think it's time to retool after 13 games... it's a ridiculous premise.

..and I think LT we'd win that trade for sure... I'd love Ritchie. But in no reality do they sacrifice being competitive today at all.

 

[Kurtz]

I don’t think either player impacts their cup aspirations this year or in the future.

We have a solid chance to win playoff games with Woll in net; we have no chance to win with Giorgiev in net.

 

[Americanadian]

We have a solid chance to win playoff games with Woll in net; we have no chance to win with Giorgiev in net.

The premise of this deal is neither are in the Leafs net come playoffs.

Georgiev also has more playoff wins last year than Woll. Don’t confuse that for me saying Georgiev is better.

 

[ULF_55]

After 13 games.... with a new coach, implementing a new system.

You can't be serious with this, can you?

Everything is meaningless without Matthews scoring.

Nylander is on a 57 goal pace.
Matthews is on a 32 goal goal pace.

Sure we can talk about peripheral stats, but Matthews' paycheque is for a superstar performance. That's the bottom line.

I don't think anyone thinks he will continue to be offensively ineffective.

 

[Americanadian]

Georgiev is a small goalie, who is facing falling confidence... it a position where size is preferred, and confidence is everything. Sure, the 0.822 is terrible (and a small sample), but last year wasn't very good either. He's a goalie who's play is in decline, lacks size... he's been the worst goalie in the league this year. His declining play isn't a small sample.

If you are confident that a guy like Grebenkin/Robertson could come in and replace McMann... then maybe you consider it... but McMann has three goals, and all of the forwards who played bottom size last night, plus the scratch, have 6 goals total. We have a real bottom six scoring issue NOW... so moving half of the bottom six scoring, ain't going to happen.

But it all comes down to this thing, that they are going to sacrifice anything this year, that they think it's time to retool after 13 games... it's a ridiculous premise.

..and I think LT we'd win that trade for sure... I'd love Ritchie. But in no reality do they sacrifice being competitive today at all.

I pray the front office isn’t as short sighted as you. So far Tre doesn’t appear to be.

 

[Fogelhund]

I pray the front office isn’t as short sighted as you. So far Tre doesn’t appear to be.

Short sighted? 13 games?

I mean, if we are going to be completely ridiculous, and they are throwing in the towel and doing your mini-retool... why are we only trading away Woll and McMann/Robertson? Shouldn't we be shipping off Marner, and maybe Tavares, or trying to? Or any other UFA?

 

[Americanadian]

Short sighted? 13 games?

We’re on 7 years of the same core. No ones making sweeping judgements on 13 games.

 

[Fogelhund]

We’re on 7 years of the same core. No ones making sweeping judgements on 13 games.

How many games has the coach been with the team?
How many regular season games with a new system?

I get your frustrations, I have them too... but your thoughts aren't logical at this point. There is ZERO chance management is thinking the way you are. They didn't make all of the changes, and commit salary to players, and then throw it out the window after 13 games, when despite not playing to their best, are still in a playoffs spot.

Do you really not understand how illogical this idea of retooling, after throwing in the towel at 13 games is?

 

[SprDaVE]

We've actually played better than our record shows and our PP has really cost us.

If someone is into advanced stats, this shows we are playing very solid hockey 5v5.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853418590105469294

They are playing pretty well 5 on 5 for the most part. Special teams and the surprising lack of offense has been an issue. They likely will get hot at some point, hopefully before they start regressing in their goaltending and before injuries start happening.

This team won't make huge roster shifting moves or even start selling anytime soon. I think now that they cleared cap space it's all about improving and finding a groove. Adversity early in the season isn't anything new with this team. If they are still struggling in 2 months, maybe the conversation changes to a different tone.

 

[Americanadian]

How many games has the coach been with the team?
How many regular season games with a new system?

I get your frustrations, I have them too... but your thoughts aren't logical at this point. There is ZERO chance management is thinking the way you are. They didn't make all of the changes, and commit salary to players, and then throw it out the window after 13 games, when despite not playing to their best, are still in a playoffs spot.

Do you really not understand how illogical this idea of retooling, after throwing in the towel at 13 games is?

I truly don’t understand how trading McMann+Woll for Ritchie+Georgiev is throwing in the towel.

Is anyone saying Edmonton threw in the towel after trading McLeod For Savoie?

 

[SprDaVE]

I truly don’t understand how trading McMann+Woll for Ritchie+Georgiev is throwing in the towel.

Is anyone saying Edmonton threw in the towel after trading McLeod For Savoie?

It's severely downgrading a top 9 winger, who provides size and a big speed element, and a locked up goaltender who has shown plenty of promise for a big time struggling pending UFA goaltender and a prospect who is a good year or so away from making any sort of impact.

I don't even think the Leafs would do either player for both of their players.

 

[Fogelhund]

I truly don’t understand how trading McMann+Woll for Ritchie+Georgiev is throwing in the towel.

Fair enough, you don't understand. It's been explained to you multiple times. Cheers.