Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[Rare Jewel]

Evans is too small.... better to leave the spot open for Minten.

6'1 is too small?

And Minten isn't ready for this year, if you can clear Kampf, Evans would be a nice addition.

 

[Menzinger]

Hagel is still a vastly superior player to Knies and if he becomes the Hagel he is in Tampa we win that deal

Ideally if we had acquired Hagel, a 80-90 pt winger for our team and we deal Marner for a package of prospects/picks or a top pairing RHD that is under 30

Happy with Knies, but he isnt going to be Hagel level good.

Maybe, maybe not..

Knies has leapfrogged Hagels development when they were at similar ages. I wouldn't put a ceiling on Knies just yet

 

[hamzarocks]

Maybe, maybe not..

Knies has leapfrogged Hagels development when they were at similar ages. I wouldn't put a ceiling on Knies just yet

PWD usually arent going to be more valuable than Hagel who is trending to be a nylander type level producer.

Knies ceiling wont be ahead of any of the big 3

Hagel at 80-90 pts is more valuable (playing on L2 with Cirelli I believe) imo than Knies at 60-70 pts with Marner and Matthews.

If Knies can be a 80-90 pt PWF then sure the argument is likely in his favor

 

[Burnie97]

6'1 is too small?

And Minten isn't ready for this year, if you can clear Kampf, Evans would be a nice addition.

I think they're going to see what's up with Minten pretty quick.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him with the big club in the next 15 games.

 

[SprDaVE]

He’d definitely help solidify us at C and bring much needed secondary production which appears to remain an issue for us. A lot of teams will be after him if available I would imagine.

He's a bit older but Nelson is a consistently very good producer (30 goal scorer 3 seasons in a row) and plays good 2-way hockey. He's also a good playoff performer. He'd be a ROR level acquisition, if not better.

The price to acquire (with retention) might be hard though and I'm sure he's not underrated for many teams loading up.

 

[Stephen]

Hagel is still a vastly superior player to Knies and if he becomes the Hagel he is in Tampa we win that deal

Ideally if we had acquired Hagel, a 80-90 pt winger for our team and we deal Marner for a package of prospects/picks or a top pairing RHD that is under 30

Happy with Knies, but he isnt going to be Hagel level good.

Knies is ahead of the curve as a power forward though.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Mitch Marner, Pontus Holmberg
For
Connor McMichael, Tom Wilson

Knies-Matthews-Wilson
Pacioretty-Tavares-Nylander
McMichael-Domi-McMann

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Mitch Marner, Pontus Holmberg
For
Connor McMichael, Tom Wilson

Knies-Matthews-Wilson
Pacioretty-Tavares-Nylander
McMichael-Domi-McMann

lol Washington isn't doing this for many reason's

 

[Puckstuff]

Marner for Kevin Fiala
picks/prospects for Granlund

New Top 9

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Fiala-Granlund-Nylander
Patches-Tavares-McMann

 

[The Nic]

6'1 is too small?

And Minten isn't ready for this year, if you can clear Kampf, Evans would be a nice addition.

Just going by the following information on the Forecaster website... 6-0, 176 and "smallish but speedy"...

 

[Rare Jewel]

I think they're going to see what's up with Minten pretty quick.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him with the big club in the next 15 games.

Just let him be down there until his play says he should be considered.

It's his first year as a pro, and he's coming off an injury, so just let him cook down there. Honestly, the team shouldn't need him anyway.

 

[Burnie97]

Just let him be down there until his play says he should be considered.

It's his first year as a pro, and he's coming off an injury, so just let him cook down there. Honestly, the team shouldn't need him anyway.

Fair enough but I think we need another Solid C.

My hopes are he's the 3rd line C and in a pinch a 2nd line C incase of injuries... and yes I know that'd be asking a lot but defensively I think he's pretty well rounded. He just needs to put up solid numbers on offence.

I think he'll get some games at some point at the very least but hopefully he crushes it in the AHL.

 

[seanlinden]

His highest value was immediately after being drafted and even then he was only worth a second round pick.

Too fragile he's a certified band-aid boy. Even when healthy he only has one trick. And he's not even very good at that one trick.

There's lots and lots of guys who can score 15-20 goals a year while adding very little value anywhere else.

A disgruntled player who isn't performing well and has a history of injuries isn't usually a hot commodity. That's not to say the Leafs won't be able to trade him. But if they want something back in return other than another team's reclamation project someone else might need to be added to any trade involving Robertson.

At this point he's either waiver bait or a cap dump for future considerations.

If anything, his value was probably at its peak in summer 2020.

He was "worth" a 2nd round pick when drafted, coming off a season that he put up 27 goals, 28 assists in 54 games.

A year later, he was coming off a season where he put up 55 goals and 31 assists in 46 games. The next best scorer on his team was a 20 year old who had 33 goals, and played 13 more games.

Heck, from a league-wide perspective, the next top scorers were:
- Jack Quinn (52 goals in 62 games), who would go 8th overall that summer.
- Connor McMichael (47 goals in 52 games), who went 25th overall the same draft as Robertson.

He was scoring 1.2 goals per game -- more than 20% more than any other player in the league.

If that wasn't enough, he came into the bubble, and had a very reasonable showing despite also being off due to COVID.

To suggest that he couldn't have garnered a 1st round pick or more that summer, I don't think is at all a reasonable asssessment.

As for what to do now, as other posters have mentioned, it's a similar situation to Timothy Liljegren... you've gotta find a team that believes in his upside... probably not a great team unless it's Dallas, and in a perfect world, they'd be willing to part with something that you actually need. In all likelihood, it's a draft pick or two.

It's also interesting to consider - Robertson was unable to garner himself an offer sheet (which would have been negligible compensation) this summer... does his preseason standout performance, plus the effect of "I dont like offer sheets" get him able to establish some value?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Report: Avalanche Scouring Trade Market For Forward Help

Just as the Avalanche were wrapping up a 5-2 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning on home ice, Sportsnet insider Elliotte Friedman released his 32 Thoughts blog. In one of his points, he highlighted that the Avalanche are looking to add a forward. The Avs played without six of their top 10 forwards...

coloradohockeynow.com

Gabriel Landeskog remains out with no timetable.

Valeri Nichushkin is still suspended and isn’t eligible to be reinstated until Nov. 13.

Jonathan Drouin is day-to-day with an upper-body injury, although it’s still unclear when he’ll be back. Drouin has not played since opening night.

Artturi Lehkonen, who has not yet played this season, is aiming to return next Tuesday at home against the Seattle Kraken.

It’s anybody’s guess who the Avs could be targeting. This is purely speculation, but one name that instantly came to mind was Toronto Maple Leafs forward Nicholas Robertson. The younger brother of Dallas center Jason Robertson can’t seem to find a permanent role under new Leafs coach Craig Berube. He has one goal in nine games this season but scored 14 goals and added 13 assists in 56 games in 2023-24.

If the Avs were to trade for Robertson, it would be with the idea in mind that they’re strictly looking for offensive help. Robertson, a smaller forward, isn’t known for strong two-way play. But if he gets an opportunity with talented linemates, he could take off offensively.

Robertson, 23, is on a one-year deal paying him $875,000. He’ll be a restricted free agent after the season. Given the low cap hit, he might be a worthy gamble for general manager Chris MacFarland.

 

[SprDaVE]

Report: Avalanche Scouring Trade Market For Forward Help

Just as the Avalanche were wrapping up a 5-2 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning on home ice, Sportsnet insider Elliotte Friedman released his 32 Thoughts blog. In one of his points, he highlighted that the Avalanche are looking to add a forward. The Avs played without six of their top 10 forwards...

coloradohockeynow.com

Gabriel Landeskog remains out with no timetable.

Valeri Nichushkin is still suspended and isn’t eligible to be reinstated until Nov. 13.

Jonathan Drouin is day-to-day with an upper-body injury, although it’s still unclear when he’ll be back. Drouin has not played since opening night.

Artturi Lehkonen, who has not yet played this season, is aiming to return next Tuesday at home against the Seattle Kraken.

It’s anybody’s guess who the Avs could be targeting. This is purely speculation, but one name that instantly came to mind was Toronto Maple Leafs forward Nicholas Robertson. The younger brother of Dallas center Jason Robertson can’t seem to find a permanent role under new Leafs coach Craig Berube. He has one goal in nine games this season but scored 14 goals and added 13 assists in 56 games in 2023-24.

If the Avs were to trade for Robertson, it would be with the idea in mind that they’re strictly looking for offensive help. Robertson, a smaller forward, isn’t known for strong two-way play. But if he gets an opportunity with talented linemates, he could take off offensively.

Robertson, 23, is on a one-year deal paying him $875,000. He’ll be a restricted free agent after the season. Given the low cap hit, he might be a worthy gamble for general manager Chris MacFarland.

We're just really bad trading partners. The only thing that can work is if they trade their 2nd for Robertson. I'm not sure the Leafs will want a simple pick though.

 

[Americanadian]

We're just really bad trading partners. The only thing that can work is if they trade their 2nd for Robertson. I'm not sure the Leafs will want a simple pick though.

I'd think they would take a 2nd for Robertson in a heartbeat if it was on the table.

Jarnkrok likely plays over Robertson when he's back which will further deflate his value.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If anything, his value was probably at its peak in summer 2020.

He was "worth" a 2nd round pick when drafted, coming off a season that he put up 27 goals, 28 assists in 54 games.

A year later, he was coming off a season where he put up 55 goals and 31 assists in 46 games. The next best scorer on his team was a 20 year old who had 33 goals, and played 13 more games.

Heck, from a league-wide perspective, the next top scorers were:
- Jack Quinn (52 goals in 62 games), who would go 8th overall that summer.
- Connor McMichael (47 goals in 52 games), who went 25th overall the same draft as Robertson.

He was scoring 1.2 goals per game -- more than 20% more than any other player in the league.

If that wasn't enough, he came into the bubble, and had a very reasonable showing despite also being off due to COVID.

To suggest that he couldn't have garnered a 1st round pick or more that summer, I don't think is at all a reasonable asssessment.

As for what to do now, as other posters have mentioned, it's a similar situation to Timothy Liljegren... you've gotta find a team that believes in his upside... probably not a great team unless it's Dallas, and in a perfect world, they'd be willing to part with something that you actually need. In all likelihood, it's a draft pick or two.

It's also interesting to consider - Robertson was unable to garner himself an offer sheet (which would have been negligible compensation) this summer... does his preseason standout performance, plus the effect of "I dont like offer sheets" get him able to establish some value?

You are correct.

I don't follow the prospects closely. So I forgot all about him returning to juniour after being drafted. Just goes to show that gaudy goal and point totals don't always translate into NHL success.

Brazeau had sixty goals his last year in juniours and he went undrafted.

 

[Americanadian]

Robertson for Tomasino please

 

[aingefan]

I’m probably in the minority, but I think the team could use an infusion of RH shot players.
Tomasino is interesting, but likely goes from one dog house to another.
Evans having wheels is a good fit too.
Not sure who else?
Thinking about NickRob, worth pointing out that he’s playing his off wing. I haven’t minded his two way game at all, I think he’s been fine. Also worth pointing out that when he was filling the net in junior, his C was RH Semyon Der Arguchintsev.

 

[Americanadian]

The Leafs should really look at moving Woll at near peak value. His GSAx/60 since he entered the league is 15th (league average starter). He’s good but not great. It is very likely that this past summer was his peak value. He's still cheap and he has playoff pedigree. He would be a perfect fit for Colorado.

Woll+Robertson for Georgiev(50% retained)+Ritchie

Ritchie has real potential as a RS C to be a long term replacement for JT. He’s most likely going to be 1C for Canada at the WJC and he’ll be untouchable after that. I’m not sure if Colorado does this deal - they’d probably want McMann over Robertson which I’d still reluctantly do.

Georgiev expires this summer. The Leafs would take him as a back up at 1.7M. He’s not a solution to any problems but he’s been a capable back up in the past.

 

[LeafParade]

I’m probably in the minority, but I think the team could use an infusion of RH shot players.
Tomasino is interesting, but likely goes from one dog house to another.
Evans having wheels is a good fit too.
Not sure who else?
Thinking about NickRob, worth pointing out that he’s playing his off wing. I haven’t minded his two way game at all, I think he’s been fine. Also worth pointing out that when he was filling the net in junior, his C was RH Semyon Der Arguchintsev.

This is one reason I was looking at Doan. Cheap RH winger who can probably slot in on the 3rd line.
And if he isn't up to speed (recently sent down by Utah), he can be stashed in the AHL until next year.

I thought there was an opening because of their battered D for a trade, and they may be hell bent on making the playoffs in their first season.

 

[Fogelhund]

The Leafs should really look at moving Woll at near peak value. His GSAx/60 since he entered the league is 15th (league average starter). He’s good but not great. It is very likely that this past summer was his peak value. He's still cheap and he has playoff pedigree. He would be a perfect fit for Colorado.

Woll+Robertson for Georgiev(50% retained)+Ritchie

Ritchie has real potential as a RS C to be a long term replacement for JT. He’s most likely going to be 1C for Canada at the WJC and he’ll be untouchable after that. I’m not sure if Colorado does this deal - they’d probably want McMann over Robertson which I’d still reluctantly do.

Georgiev expires this summer. The Leafs would take him as a back up at 1.7M. He’s not a solution to any problems but he’s been a capable back up in the past.

Georgiev was a goalie who I thought might have an upward trajectory at one point... boy was I ever wrong... 0.822 save percentage so far this year.

I have a hard time believing Colorado would move Calum Ritchie, but if they would, I'd be interested. This is kind of a future trade for us... would management sacrifice downgrading the backup goalie substantially, and moving a now forward piece, for a really solid guy who might contribute in a year or two? I'm thinking that isn't where there heads are at to be honest... but if there was a way to pickup Ritchie....

 

[LeafEgo]

The Leafs should really look at moving Woll at near peak value. His GSAx/60 since he entered the league is 15th (league average starter). He’s good but not great. It is very likely that this past summer was his peak value. He's still cheap and he has playoff pedigree. He would be a perfect fit for Colorado.

Woll+Robertson for Georgiev(50% retained)+Ritchie

Ritchie has real potential as a RS C to be a long term replacement for JT. He’s most likely going to be 1C for Canada at the WJC and he’ll be untouchable after that. I’m not sure if Colorado does this deal - they’d probably want McMann over Robertson which I’d still reluctantly do.

Georgiev expires this summer. The Leafs would take him as a back up at 1.7M. He’s not a solution to any problems but he’s been a capable back up in the past.

We're not yet sure if Stolarz can handle a starters workload, which in itself can separate a backup from a starter, and it's not usually a good idea to trade away a clutch playoff goalie.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

The Leafs should really look at moving Woll at near peak value. His GSAx/60 since he entered the league is 15th (league average starter). He’s good but not great. It is very likely that this past summer was his peak value. He's still cheap and he has playoff pedigree. He would be a perfect fit for Colorado.

Woll+Robertson for Georgiev(50% retained)+Ritchie

Ritchie has real potential as a RS C to be a long term replacement for JT. He’s most likely going to be 1C for Canada at the WJC and he’ll be untouchable after that. I’m not sure if Colorado does this deal - they’d probably want McMann over Robertson which I’d still reluctantly do.

Georgiev expires this summer. The Leafs would take him as a back up at 1.7M. He’s not a solution to any problems but he’s been a capable back up in the past.

I like that you're thinking outside-of-the-box here. The only problem is that I would see the Avs asking for Easton Cowan with Woll. Maybe that's still a good trade though because we really need another high-end C for the future.

 

[Americanadian]

This is kind of a future trade for us... would management sacrifice downgrading the backup goalie substantially, and moving a now forward piece, for a really solid guy who might contribute in a year or two? I'm thinking that isn't where there heads are at to be honest... but if there was a way to pickup Ritchie....

I’d hope at 6-5-2 they’d be smart enough to look to look beyond this season. Assuming a Woll+McMann for Georgiev+Ritchie (assuming Colorado values him over Robertson), the Leafs are subtracting McMann from the playoff roster for a potential Tavares replacement as soon as next year.

This is assuming Stolarz would start every playoff game.

I like that you're thinking outside-of-the-box here. The only problem is that I would see the Avs asking for Easton Cowan with Woll. Maybe that's still a good trade though because we really need another high-end C for the future.

I’d think Cowan and Ritchie have similar value and the gap between Woll and Georgiev is much larger.

I would do Woll+Minten+roster player to get Ritchie.

We're not yet sure if Stolarz can handle a starters workload, which in itself can separate a backup from a starter, and it's not usually a good idea to trade away a clutch playoff goalie.

He wasn’t clutch in game 7.