Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[Dreakmur]

Berube isn't going to listen to Assistant to the GM when it comes to line-ups.

He'd be treated fairly like most of their players.

Doan wouldn't step out of his lane or he'd be gone.

I agree that the conflict isn’t a problem… but the conflict is obvious…

 

[ULF_55]

I agree that the conflict isn’t a problem… but the conflict is obvious…

Certainly.

It is a regular occurrence in business, likely much more often than sports.

You don't turn down a good/best employee because their relative(s) might be in senior management.

OTOH, I'm sure there are abuses everywhere, especially in politics/government, but we aren't talking about swamps.

 

[sxvnert]

LD - Dumoulin, Brian - $3,150,000
C - Strome, Ryan - (2yr/$2,500,000 - 50% retained)
$5,650,000

for

LW - Holmberg, Pontus - $800,000
RW - Jarnkrok, Calle - (1yr/$2,100,000)
LW - Robertson, Nicholas - $875,000
RD - Liljegren, Timothy - (1yr/$3,000,000)
$6,775,000
---------------------------------------
Knies Matthews Marner
Tavares Strome Pacioretty
McMann Domi Nylander
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

Rielly Tanev
OEL McCabe
Dumoulin/Benoit Timmins

or

Knies Matthews Marner
Pacioretty Tavares Nylander
Domi Strome McMann
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

Rielly Tanev
OEL McCabe
Dumoulin/Benoit Timmins

 

[notdoneyet]

When Hakanpaa is healthy, the Leafs have 5 RHD and 4 LHD on the NHL roster. It's nice to finally have RHD depth and I don't disagree that RHD depth needs to be valued. McCabe and OEL have shown to be versatile with playing good RD minutes. Hypothetically if they make a Liljegren for Valimaki swap the depth becomes:

LHD - RHD
Rielly - Tanev
OEL - Timmins
McCabe - Hakanpaa
Benoit - Myers
Valimaki

I would go
Reilly OEL top minutes
Tanev Hakanpaa hell to play against
Benoit McCabe arguably our best defense last year
Timmins myers

 

[Americanadian]

Jake Evans is a guy I’d be really interested in. Right handed center from Toronto.

Evans and Minten as your 3rd and 4th center isn’t bad. Focus then needs to be addressing the second line center, I would even go as far as using Cowan as apart of the package.

Played with Marner a long time ago.

 

[SprDaVE]

Jake Evans is a guy I’d be really interested in. Right handed center from Toronto.

Evans and Minten as your 3rd and 4th center isn’t bad. Focus then needs to be addressing the second line center, I would even go as far as using Cowan as apart of the package.

He'd be a good target if the Leafs want a center.

 

[dubplatepressure]

LD - Dumoulin, Brian - $3,150,000
C - Strome, Ryan - (2yr/$2,500,000 - 50% retained)
$5,650,000

for

LW - Holmberg, Pontus - $800,000
RW - Jarnkrok, Calle - (1yr/$2,100,000)
LW - Robertson, Nicholas - $875,000
RD - Liljegren, Timothy - (1yr/$3,000,000)
$6,775,000
---------------------------------------
Knies Matthews Marner
Tavares Strome Pacioretty
McMann Domi Nylander
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

Rielly Tanev
OEL McCabe
Dumoulin/Benoit Timmins

or

Knies Matthews Marner
Pacioretty Tavares Nylander
Domi Strome McMann
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

Rielly Tanev
OEL McCabe
Dumoulin/Benoit Timmins

you think that offer gets you a super cheap 2C? I don't see Lilly and Robbie being that valuable that they make this attractive without adding. Jarnkrok's a dump, Holmberg could go either way.

 

[Jmo89]

and potentially Jarnkrok as well.

You might finally get your Treliving trade.

Is there anyone available that is a known upgrade on the PK? That seems to be the biggest need right now.

 

[seanlinden]

When Hakanpaa is healthy, the Leafs have 5 RHD and 4 LHD on the NHL roster. It's nice to finally have RHD depth and I don't disagree that RHD depth needs to be valued. McCabe and OEL have shown to be versatile with playing good RD minutes. Hypothetically if they make a Liljegren for Valimaki swap the depth becomes:

LHD - RHD
Rielly - Tanev
OEL - Timmins
McCabe - Hakanpaa
Benoit - Myers
Valimaki

I think looking at the depth chart in that fashion can be a little misleading.

1. There's no practical way to carry 9 defencemen... so at the very least, Myers will likely be heading to waivers/the AHL if Hakanpaa returns.

2. There are obvious injury concerns with Hakanpaa, with the Leafs likely questioning if he can do the full season. That would leave the right side of the D pretty short.

3. What's the point in "cashing out" on Liljegren's value, just to create another logjam in the bottom of the lineup of defencemen?

 

[seanlinden]

and potentially Jarnkrok as well.

As others have mentioned... apparently Jarnkrok isn't even practicing. He's a ways away and at this point, the Leafs are probably going to take a "wait & see" approach with him... maybe he's ready when they need a body? or they deal with that situation when he gets healthy.

 

[SprDaVE]

You might finally get your Treliving trade.

Is there anyone available that is a known upgrade on the PK? That seems to be the biggest need right now.

Part of me thinks they'll just waive a bunch of people and find a way to utilize LTIR further... probably.

I think our biggest need is definitely a center upgrade of some kind, especially someone that can take PK draws and actually be a contributor 5 on 5. Not easy to find at this point of the season with our cap space.

I think looking at the depth chart in that fashion can be a little misleading.

1. There's no practical way to carry 9 defencemen... so at the very least, Myers will likely be heading to waivers/the AHL if Hakanpaa returns.

2. There are obvious injury concerns with Hakanpaa, with the Leafs likely questioning if he can do the full season. That would leave the right side of the D pretty short.

3. What's the point in "cashing out" on Liljegren's value, just to create another logjam in the bottom of the lineup of defencemen?

Yes but depth doesn't stop at the NHL level roster, which is why I included the ones next in line to play if injuries start happening. Myers being waived seems inevitable at some point regardless.

The Leafs seem pretty confident Hakanpaa will be ready and fully healthy soon. They might have concerns but that's probably something they should have thought of before signing him.

I think my idea that there would be other piece(s) to balance the value and perhaps make it more intriguing than a straight up trade. Cutting down on cap space is a big one, but 1M of savings isn't much if we're talking about Valimaki. I would much rather keep and play Liljegren, but it's clear the coach doesn't like him and having 3M in the pressbox is just not feasible for a "maybe we'll need him".

Maybe Jarnkrok isn't ready anytime soon, but I don't think he'll be gone for another month. I don't know. If none of the LTIR are ready to return then there's no rush I suppose. Something has to give at some point though?

 

[TMLAM34]

He'd be a good target if the Leafs want a center.

I can see there being mutual interest from both sides this summer given our lack of center depth. Don’t think he would break the bank either.

 

[seanlinden]

Yes but depth doesn't stop at the NHL level roster, which is why I included the ones next in line to play if injuries start happening. Myers being waived seems inevitable at some point regardless.

The Leafs seem pretty confident Hakanpaa will be ready and fully healthy soon. They might have concerns but that's probably something they should have thought of before signing him.

I think my idea that there would be other piece(s) to balance the value and perhaps make it more intriguing than a straight up trade. Cutting down on cap space is a big one, but 1M of savings isn't much if we're talking about Valimaki. I would much rather keep and play Liljegren, but it's clear the coach doesn't like him and having 3M in the pressbox is just not feasible for a "maybe we'll need him".

Maybe Jarnkrok isn't ready anytime soon, but I don't think he'll be gone for another month. I don't know. If none of the LTIR are ready to return then there's no rush I suppose. Something has to give at some point though?

"depth" only exists if you can keep it. At this point in the year, with a number of teams having players banged up, it's entirely possible that Myers doesn't clear waivers.

As for Hakanpaa, I'm sure the Leafs did sign him with the hope and intent of him playing... but I'd also guess, they're not overly confident in him remaining in the lineup for the balance of the year, so they'll probably want to keep a "backup" / 8 defencemen.

I'm all on board with trying to get something that might actually help us this year, but I just don't think Valimaki is the right piece... having him come in to replace Benoit... maybe it's a marginal upgrade... but I don't think it makes a ton of sense to trade Lily so that you can get a marginal upgrade on Benoit.

That being said, from a cap perspective, the concept of Liljegren <-> Valimaki does make sense, as the $1m difference plus $775k from Myers gives them enough to bring in Hakanpaa (along with Dewar), and worry about Jarnkrok later.

If it were me, I'm looking up front, and trying to add a centre. Jack McBain would probably be my target, as at the very least, he could offer a bit of what Matthew Knies & Bobby McMann do on the left side.

It's certainly early in the year for "wholesale" changes... maybe you can do 2-for-2... Liljegren and Holmberg for McBain and Doan... recognizing that the Leafs would obviously love to add a player they can stash in the minors with a waiver exemption given the impending return of Connor Dewar.

 

[MarMarSab3]

I would go
Reilly OEL top minutes
Tanev Hakanpaa hell to play against
Benoit McCabe arguably our best defense last year
Timmins myers

No offense but that's horrible

Reilly Hakanpaa
OEL Tanev
Benoit McCabe

Reilly is normally at his best when paired with that type of partner

 

[SprDaVE]

"depth" only exists if you can keep it. At this point in the year, with a number of teams having players banged up, it's entirely possible that Myers doesn't clear waivers.

As for Hakanpaa, I'm sure the Leafs did sign him with the hope and intent of him playing... but I'd also guess, they're not overly confident in him remaining in the lineup for the balance of the year, so they'll probably want to keep a "backup" / 8 defencemen.

I'm all on board with trying to get something that might actually help us this year, but I just don't think Valimaki is the right piece... having him come in to replace Benoit... maybe it's a marginal upgrade... but I don't think it makes a ton of sense to trade Lily so that you can get a marginal upgrade on Benoit.

That being said, from a cap perspective, the concept of Liljegren <-> Valimaki does make sense, as the $1m difference plus $775k from Myers gives them enough to bring in Hakanpaa (along with Dewar), and worry about Jarnkrok later.

If it were me, I'm looking up front, and trying to add a centre. Jack McBain would probably be my target, as at the very least, he could offer a bit of what Matthew Knies & Bobby McMann do on the left side.

It's certainly early in the year for "wholesale" changes... maybe you can do 2-for-2... Liljegren and Holmberg for McBain and Doan... recognizing that the Leafs would obviously love to add a player they can stash in the minors with a waiver exemption given the impending return of Connor Dewar.

Good for him if another team can use him but I am not sure there is much else to do. He's a journeyman defenseman and he was always going to be on waivers at some point with the players brought in. Someone has to go either on waivers or trade. You can't just sit on all the players and magically keep all of them. You can wait until you have to but I'm not sure it will get any better.

But for the rest, I agree. Treliving put himself in a bit of a corner and at this time of the season it isn't easy to make roster moves.

 

[hamzarocks]

Marcus Pettersson is an interesting name who will be sold at the TDL

He is a quality #2/3D who needs a big deal(we have potential cap space in the summer)

He could be an Ekholm/H.lindholm lite type acqusition.

Issues with the deal likely are

1. Dubas potentially doesnt want to deal to Toronto unless at exagerated price

2. He will cost a 1st (we got 2026) and a prospect as an rental. will cost more if we want to extend him.

He would be a good add if we could work a deal out and make our defense very hard to beat

 

[OVO16]

We wont be looking for a Defenseman at the deadline. Its gonna be a impact bottom 9 forward. Most preferable a center.

Scott Laughton and Branden Tanev are two players I can see Treliving interested in

 

[SprDaVE]

We wont be looking for a Defenseman at the deadline. Its gonna be a impact bottom 9 forward. Most preferable a center.

Scott Laughton and Branden Tanev are two players I can see Treliving interested in

B. Tanev seems poised to be a Leaf by next season. Not sure how we can fit him in and a Laughton level player this season but it's not impossible with enough creativity and some movement. Flyers were looking for a 1st round pick and a top prospect last time Laughton rumours came up... I don't think he's worth close to that anymore, but they likely value him a decent amount.

 

[TMLAM34]

I would target Evans at the trade deadline. Seems like someone we can easily extend. I like the idea of having a third line next season with McMann and Evans being 2/3rds of it.

 

[arso40]

I think looking at the depth chart in that fashion can be a little misleading.

1. There's no practical way to carry 9 defencemen... so at the very least, Myers will likely be heading to waivers/the AHL if Hakanpaa returns.

2. There are obvious injury concerns with Hakanpaa, with the Leafs likely questioning if he can do the full season. That would leave the right side of the D pretty short.

3. What's the point in "cashing out" on Liljegren's value, just to create another logjam in the bottom of the lineup of defencemen?

Timmins on the second pair is death

LD - Dumoulin, Brian - $3,150,000
C - Strome, Ryan - (2yr/$2,500,000 - 50% retained)
$5,650,000

for

LW - Holmberg, Pontus - $800,000
RW - Jarnkrok, Calle - (1yr/$2,100,000)
LW - Robertson, Nicholas - $875,000
RD - Liljegren, Timothy - (1yr/$3,000,000)
$6,775,000
---------------------------------------
Knies Matthews Marner
Tavares Strome Pacioretty
McMann Domi Nylander
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

Rielly Tanev
OEL McCabe
Dumoulin/Benoit Timmins

or

Knies Matthews Marner
Pacioretty Tavares Nylander
Domi Strome McMann
Lorentz Kampf Reaves

Rielly Tanev
OEL McCabe
Dumoulin/Benoit Timmins

We’re not winning nothing with Timmins in this line up what the f***

 

[arso40]

No offense but that's horrible

Reilly Hakanpaa
OEL Tanev
Benoit McCabe

Reilly is normally at his best when paired with that type of partner

This is better atleast but I don’t think Benoit should be in this line play McCabe on his strong side and play a right shot d benoit done nothing to be in our line up atleast at the moment

 

[Roo]

No offense but that's horrible

Reilly Hakanpaa
OEL Tanev
Benoit McCabe

Reilly is normally at his best when paired with thst type of partner

Hakanpaa is not going to get that much minutes. He’s a third pairing guy at best, but will be used quite a bit on pk.

My guess is they’ll go back to Rielly and Tanev at some point.

 

[TMLAM34]

Hakanpaa is not going to get that much minutes. He’s a third pairing guy at best, but will be used quite a bit on pk.

My guess is they’ll go back to Rielly and Tanev at some point.

Luke Schenn was paired with Morgan Rielly and only averaged 13 minutes a night.

Hakanpaa averaged 18 minutes a night with Dallas last year. I can definitely see him around the 17 minute mark here for us.

 

[Roo]

Luke Schenn was paired with Morgan Rielly and only averaged 13 minutes a night.

Hakanpaa averaged 18 minutes a night with Dallas last year. I can definitely see him around the 17 minute mark here for us.

Luke Schenn played on our 3rd pairing in the regular season. They played him with Rielly full time in the playoffs and he was 17-18min a night. I just don’t see Hakanpaa getting there after coming off a major knee injury. Maybe he can build himself up by the time playoff comes, but I think it’s a stretch.