Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[pspot]

It’s crazy that they let McCann go for nothing

 

[horner]

It’s crazy that they let McCann go for nothing

Dubas had many opportunities to grab a center and let them go or didn't trade for them the same with dman.

McCann kept Holl and kerfoot instead

Sam Bennett always showed up in the playoffs

Nick Paul

Toews

But because dubie always went all in at the deadline we never had the assets

 

[ULF_55]

What should the coach do? He gave Liljegren a game and he played brutal. Can’t keep him in the lineup.

Next time Liljegren gets a chance, he better do something with it.

Be best to trade him or just waive him rather than sit him on the sidelines for months.

 

[TMLAM34]

Dubas had many opportunities to grab a center and let them go or didn't trade for them the same with dman.

McCann kept Holl and kerfoot instead

Sam Bennett always showed up in the playoffs

Nick Paul

Toews

But because dubie always went all in at the deadline we never had the assets

McCann isn’t a center, but he would have definitely solidified our left side. Imagine having McCann - Knies - McMann - Lorentz lines 1 to 4. Dubas royally f***ed that one up.

 

[Machinae]

Dubas had many opportunities to grab a center and let them go or didn't trade for them the same with dman.

McCann kept Holl and kerfoot instead

Sam Bennett always showed up in the playoffs

Nick Paul

Toews

But because dubie always went all in at the deadline we never had the assets

It was a mistake in hindsight for sure, but at least get the context right.

Kerfoot was not kept over McCann. They went 4F / 4D / 1G instead of 7F / 3D / 1G.

Holl was kept as the 4th D and they moved a prospect and a 7th round pick to Pittsburgh (the ultimate losers in all of this) for McCann so that they could expose both Kerfoot and McCann and guarantee they kept one of them.

Yes, Holl was not worth keeping in the end. If not for the McCann move, they would have lost Kerfoot instead. If they kept Kerfoot/McCann + another forward, they would have lost Holl and had a gaping hole at RD.

 

[hamzarocks]

It was a mistake in hindsight for sure, but at least get the context right.

Kerfoot was not kept over McCann. They went 4F / 4D / 1G instead of 7F / 3D / 1G.

Holl was kept as the 4th D and they moved a prospect and a 7th round pick to Pittsburgh (the ultimate losers in all of this) for McCann so that they could expose both Kerfoot and McCann and guarantee they kept one of them.

Yes, Holl was not worth keeping in the end. If not for the McCann move, they would have lost Kerfoot instead. If they kept Kerfoot/McCann + another forward, they would have lost Holl and had a gaping hole at RD.

There was no gaping hole at RHD

This is a dumb narrative dubas fans were trying to create then

In 2021 we had Lilijgren who was supposed to be NHL ready amd a quick transition to top 4RHD. He had been cooked for 4 years in the AHL and a few NHL games at that point.

Holding Holl made no sense unless we didnt believe in Lilijgren and thought he wasnt able to be more than 5-7D for the next two years.

It was terrible asset management for a guy who already showed he struggles away from Muzzin.

Dubas needed to trade Holl for a few picks and then leave Kerfoot exposed and sign/acquire a D to be able to be picked up in the expansion draft.

If we went 7-3-1 it should have been

Matthews
Marner
NYlander
Tavares
McCann
Forward 6 (Spezza)
Forward 7 (kerfoot)

Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie

 

[Dreakmur]

Be best to trade him or just waive him rather than sit him on the sidelines for months.

Which isn’t the coach’s job.

 

[ULF_55]

Which isn’t the coach’s job.

Yep.

Seems Berube never liked him from the beginning.

No coach nor GM is perfect.

From the condensed game yesterday (was tied up in something last night couldn't watch), it doesn't look like the current Leafs defense is all the good anyway, with or without Liljegren. Again, only watched the condensed target practice the Bruins held in the Leafs zone, so it was just limited highlights of being overwhelmed in the Leafs zone.

 

[Machinae]

There was no gaping hole at RHD

This is a dumb narrative dubas fans were trying to create then

In 2021 we had Lilijgren who was supposed to be NHL ready amd a quick transition to top 4RHD. He had been cooked for 4 years in the AHL and a few NHL games at that point.

Holding Holl made no sense unless we didnt believe in Lilijgren and thought he wasnt able to be more than 5-7D for the next two years.

It was terrible asset management for a guy who already showed he struggles away from Muzzin.

Dubas needed to trade Holl for a few picks and then leave Kerfoot exposed and sign/acquire a D to be able to be picked up in the expansion draft.

If we went 7-3-1 it should have been

Matthews
Marner
NYlander
Tavares
McCann
Forward 6 (Spezza)
Forward 7 (kerfoot)

Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie

Liljegren? The guy they are trying to give away right now and won't even play over Philippe Myers? He was the answer?

Thinking they didn't have a gaping hole at RD is unbelievably stupid. You're biased against the guy because Holl flopped and McCann went on to elevate his role in Seattle, but don't think for one second right handed dmen didn't have value. They are hard to find and/or replace. McCann was traded for a THROW IN prospect and a 7th round pick. 30 teams in the league did not beat that offer or value McCann higher than their 7th best forward / 4th best d-man. Pittsburgh gave him away for nothing and lost Brandon Tanev on top of it, which was a monumentally stupid decision, much more so than Toronto. Give up your pathetic narrative and move on.

 

[hamzarocks]

Liljegren? The guy they are trying to give away right now and won't even play over Philippe Myers? He was the answer?

Thinking they didn't have a gaping hole at RD is unbelievably stupid. You're biased against the guy because Holl flopped and McCann went on to elevate his role in Seattle, but don't think for one second right handed dmen didn't have value. They are hard to find and/or replace. McCann was traded for a THROW IN prospect and a 7th round pick. 30 teams in the league did not beat that offer or value McCann higher than their 7th best forward / 4th best d-man. Pittsburgh gave him away for nothing and lost Brandon Tanev on top of it, which was a monumentally stupid decision, much more so than Toronto. Give up your pathetic narrative and move on.

Again, you are talking out of your ass.

The narrative that lilijgren wasnt a top prospect and player the leafs highly valued back in 2020-2021 is nothing but lies to defend the Dube for this mistake.

He was our top prospect along with Sandin. Both were talked about to be top pairing level players for the leafs withing a few years from 2021.

You can not use hindsight and what occurred after the deal to pretend that the situation then didnt exist. Otherwise we know how ass Holl really is and how horffiic dubas was at assessing talent for bottom pairing D-man (did it again with graves in the pens).

McCann had 84 pts in 141 games as a Pen or ~48 per 82 pace over 2.5 seasons. He was a very promising 2nd line player we got due to Pens exposed depth weakeness ahead of the expansion draft.

The reason that trade was talked about being so good was b/c we leveraged the Pens who were in a tough spot due to many expansion elgible forwards in their team.

They protected

Crosby
Malkin
Rust
Guentzel
Kapanen (who had 30 in 40 for them and they viewed as a great future player)
Carter (NMC and 11 in 14 for them)
Blueger

McCann was a player who got let go due to numberw game by the Pens. Pens management missassed choosing Kapanen over McCann but he wasnt a dump. They would have been smarter losing McCann or tanev instead of both yes but we got the chance to expose their weakness and we f***ed it up big time

Neither Holl or Kerfoot are players a playoff team should look to have on their rosters.

Dubas botched the McCann move after a being great to bring him in.

He overthought things and cost is a top 6 LW

 

[Dreakmur]

Yep.

Seems Berube never liked him from the beginning.

No coach nor GM is perfect.

From the condensed game yesterday (was tied up in something last night couldn't watch), it doesn't look like the current Leafs defense is all the good anyway, with or without Liljegren. Again, only watched the condensed target practice the Bruins held in the Leafs zone, so it was just limited highlights of being overwhelmed in the Leafs zone.

It’s better than it has been since Muzzin went down… but even still it’s just mediocre.

 

[Gilmour1996]

... If they kept Kerfoot/McCann + another forward, they would have lost Holl and had a gaping hole at RD.

Justin Holl was, by definition, the "gaping hole at RD".

 

[Rare Jewel]

Yes, Holl was not worth keeping in the end. If not for the McCann move, they would have lost Kerfoot instead. If they kept Kerfoot/McCann + another forward, they would have lost Holl and had a gaping hole at RD.

I'm sure they would've managed.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Dubas had many opportunities to grab a center and let them go or didn't trade for them the same with dman.

McCann kept Holl and kerfoot instead

Sam Bennett always showed up in the playoffs

Nick Paul

Toews

But because dubie always went all in at the deadline we never had the assets

What kind pf dummy woulda xauire acquire kerfootand barrie

 

[All Mod Cons]

It was a mistake in hindsight for sure, but at least get the context right.

Kerfoot was not kept over McCann. They went 4F / 4D / 1G instead of 7F / 3D / 1G.

Holl was kept as the 4th D and they moved a prospect and a 7th round pick to Pittsburgh (the ultimate losers in all of this) for McCann so that they could expose both Kerfoot and McCann and guarantee they kept one of them.

Yes, Holl was not worth keeping in the end. If not for the McCann move, they would have lost Kerfoot instead. If they kept Kerfoot/McCann + another forward, they would have lost Holl and had a gaping hole at RD.

No hindsight is needed at all in this instance. Most of the fanbase knew right away.

 

[TMLAM34]

It’s only 9 games in I know, but I’m hoping we have a MAJOR retool next summer. Not sure how much more I can watch when it comes to Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly. Especially if they get knocked out first round yet again.

Sign and trade Marner.
Let Tavares walk.
Trade Rielly.

Keep Matthews and Nylander.

 

[LeafSteel]

Dubas did nothing to strengthen our RHD situation, which is why he held onto Holl, to cover his own ineptitude.

Dubas set us years behind at Centre and RHD, and McCann was a consequence of it.

Goalies, RHD, Centre, all Dubas glaring blind spots.

Dubas really had no concept of how to build a hockey team.

 

[TMLAM34]

Dubas did nothing to strengthen our RHD situation, which is why he held onto Holl, to cover his own ineptitude.

Dubas set us years behind at Centre and RHD, and McCann was a consequence of it.

Goalies, RHD, Centre, all Dubas glaring blind spots.

Dubas really had no concept of how to build a hockey team.

Can’t believe he got scooped up almost instantly after being available. I bet the Penguins are starting to regret that.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Just had a look at the available Centres for the upcoming off-season and it is awful.

The only player of interest is Bennet and he was rumored to be talking extension with the Panthers.

There might be some familiarity with Dvorak (I believe Tre drafted him in Arizona) but yeah, prepare for another year of Domi as 2C.

 

[Stephen]

https://thehockeynews.com/gaming/latest-news/nhl-24-trade-predictions-timothy-liljegren

Remember when Arizona offered Kerfoot and Boyd for Liljegren?

 

[hamzarocks]

https://thehockeynews.com/gaming/latest-news/nhl-24-trade-predictions-timothy-liljegren

Remember when Arizona offered Kerfoot and Boyd for Liljegren?

If thats true man his value is ass

Kerfoot is on my do not engage list. Stay away from him and other similat useless players (Engvall, Jarnkrok being two other examples)

 

[Zero1]

Just had a look at the available Centres for the upcoming off-season and it is awful.

The only player of interest is Bennet and he was rumored to be talking extension with the Panthers.

There might be some familiarity with Dvorak (I believe Tre drafted him in Arizona) but yeah, prepare for another year of Domi as 2C.

That’s the reason I think they’ll end up re-signing Tavares and Marner…

The free agency pool the next couple of years is rough and Treliving seems to be allergic to making trades.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

https://thehockeynews.com/gaming/latest-news/nhl-24-trade-predictions-timothy-liljegren

Remember when Arizona offered Kerfoot and Boyd for Liljegren?

One funny trade proposal was Arizona offering Alex Kerfoot and Travis Boyd, two former Leafs, in return.

If the Leafs do decide to move on from Liljegren, NHL 24 thinks they will have lots of suitors.

For more NHL 24 trade simulations, bookmark The Hockey News Gaming Site.

It was somebody doing trade simulations in the video game NHL 24, not actual offers.

 

[TMLAM34]

Jake Evans is a guy I’d be really interested in. Right handed center from Toronto.

Evans and Minten as your 3rd and 4th center isn’t bad. Focus then needs to be addressing the second line center, I would even go as far as using Cowan as apart of the package.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Kampf & Liljegren
For
McBain

Robertson & 2nd
For
Granlund

Next 3rd
For
Olivier

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
McBain - Granlund - Nylander
Lorentz - Dewar - Olivier