Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Deadline-ageddon

[The Shadow]

This is the biggest no win situation for Treliving/Shanny.

If Tre uses a 1st for Laughton, he loses. If he keeps all his assets, he loses. If Toronto doesn't go deep in the playoffs (Laughton or not), he loses. Same thing goes for Shanny too.

WHAT DO FANS WANT?

How does he lose by keeping all his assets? The team the way it is built now could go on a long run. They finally have the goaltending. Imagine Stolarz in the crease against the bruins last year? Toronto wins that series easily

The fact that your main concern is who will place once the wheels fall off means you are completely missing the mark.

That’s your opinion but I’d rather they stay competitive. How has mortgaging their future worked for them for the last 40 years?

I’m ok with a longterm change of mindset and keeping and developing young players

 

[Malachi Crunch]

I know Brock Nelson is just a rental, but, like some of you have said, I think I'd be more willing to give up a big asset for him than some of the others. I'm just imaging Robertson completely exploding on offense with Nelson in the middle. A deadly 3rd line would be huge for us in the playoffs.

Carlo on RHD would be a dream, but unlikely to happen. I really like what Mario Ferraro brings, but he's an LHD. He seems like a perfect upgrade for the bottom pair. Not the best hockey IQ for offense, but he has tons of intangibles. Walman and Provorov too....but they're LHD's as well. Maybe we settle for an LHD who can play their offside? I'm much more interested in those players than the RHD available.

 

[The Podium]

How does he lose by keeping all his assets? The team the way it is built now could go on a long run. They finally have the goaltending. Imagine Stolarz in the crease against the bruins last year? Toronto wins that series easily


That’s your opinion but I’d rather they stay competitive. How has mortgaging their future worked for them for the last 40 years?

I’m ok with a longterm change of mindset and keeping and developing young players

Once Matthews and co are gone this teams contention window is over. There is no staying competitive. We are not drafting an elite #1C again without bottoming out.

 

[Skullz]

Given that Risto has multiple years after this and fits the mold of what we are looking for, I would like to add him in, with retention.

Prices on Schenn and Laughton are asinine, so maybe buy low on Gourde and LTIR him till playoffs?

Not sexy by any means though. Treliving needs to get creative.

 

[SprDaVE]

Given that Risto has multiple years after this and fits the mold of what we are looking for, I would like to add him in, with retention.

Prices on Schenn and Laughton are asinine, so maybe buy low on Gourde and LTIR him till playoffs?

Not sexy by any means though. Treliving needs to get creative.

It feels very Treliving like to go hard after Laughton and Ristolainen. Some smoke there over the last year or so.

 

[Fogelhund]

Once Matthews and co are gone this teams contention window is over. There is no staying competitive. We are not drafting an elite #1C again without bottoming out.

I think it's clear Matthews isn't healthy this year, I'm not sure if he ever will be fully... it's been hit and miss his whole career. At no point has this core showed up for the playoffs. The prices being asked for marginal upgrade players seems insane.

I'm all for going all in, but I think that requires a healthy and productive Matthews, and some indication that the core can show up in the playoffs. If we have to give up a 1st, and a good prospect for a middle of the road winger, to play C in Laughton, I'd rather not make that trade. Let's just punt it to next year, when we might have a few more assets, and the ability to make some moves in Free Agency, to fill up some of the holes... be active in the offseason re-jigging the roster.

This trade deadline is a massive overpay, that doesn't seem productive, when your top player is playing hurt, can't shoot.. he has two goals in the last 15 games he's played (12 Leafs + 3 Four Nations)...

 

[Warden of the North]

The only way the Leafs get Rantanen is if he comes with the new contract ready to be signed and the Leafs are going to move on from Marner. I would have to think Marner would be the piece going back, too.

 

[Magic Man]

Do people prefer Oleksiak or Ristolainen if they get a defenseman with term?

 

[nuck]

I know Brock Nelson is just a rental, but, like some of you have said, I think I'd be more willing to give up a big asset for him than some of the others. I'm just imaging Robertson completely exploding on offense with Nelson in the middle. A deadly 3rd line would be huge for us in the playoffs.

Carlo on RHD would be a dream, but unlikely to happen. I really like what Mario Ferraro brings, but he's an LHD. He seems like a perfect upgrade for the bottom pair. Not the best hockey IQ for offense, but he has tons of intangibles. Walman and Provorov too....but they're LHD's as well. Maybe we settle for an LHD who can play their offside? I'm much more interested in those players than the RHD available.

Nelson isn't my guy but he has had better playoff production than Schenn by quite a bit. Don't know about the D because I think they only has the coin for a pretty good D or a pretty good forward and which they choose might be driven by the value rather than the position.

 

[Budz]

The only way the Leafs get Rantanen is if he comes with the new contract ready to be signed and the Leafs are going to move on from Marner. I would have to think Marner would be the piece going back, too.

No idea how Carolina gets Marner into their cap this year and both need to sign and trade.

The Leafs would kill to get that done.
They would be able to LOAD up.

 

[The Shadow]

The only way the Leafs get Rantanen is if he comes with the new contract ready to be signed and the Leafs are going to move on from Marner. I would have to think Marner would be the piece going back, too.

Full no move clause. Not happening in a million years

 

[Commander Clueless]

The only way the Leafs get Rantanen is if he comes with the new contract ready to be signed and the Leafs are going to move on from Marner. I would have to think Marner would be the piece going back, too.

UFA rights swap in the summer if both teams are unhappy with how far they made it?

 

[rumman]

I still think the right move us to stand pat, tell the players in the room to look around because no help is coming. This offseason is when moves should be made……..

 

[Commander Clueless]

No idea how Carolina gets Marner into their cap this year and both need to sign and trade.

The Leafs would kill to get that done.
They would be able to LOAD up.

Leafs would have to retain in that scenario.

But even if they wanted to do that, Mitch would block it.

 

[Fogelhund]

Do people prefer Oleksiak or Ristolainen if they get a defenseman with term?

I'd take Oleksiak.

To me our need is a partner for Rielly. Ristolainen also needs a defensive support partner.. Zamula is that for him, and has done a great job stabilizing that pairings. We need a Right handed Zamula, not a Right Handed Rielly... (Bigger of course)

I don't think Oleksiak's had a very good year though.. but it's a higher probability IMO, he could work with Rielly than Risto...

Honestly, I'm not sure either are a fit, but I'd still take Oleksiak over Risto. (for Rielly)

 

[Warden of the North]

Full no move clause. Not happening in a million years

Which is why it's very unlikely.

 

[Rare Jewel]

How does he lose by keeping all his assets? The team the way it is built now could go on a long run. They finally have the goaltending. Imagine Stolarz in the crease against the bruins last year? Toronto wins that series easily

I doubt that when you only score one goal in game 7...

 

[thewave]

The most important players on this team have been drafted and developed...

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Knies, Reilly, McMann* and Woll can challenge the development of any other team in the league.

First off..

Matthews Marner Nylander don't count for obvious reasons. They could develop themselves they are so good.

Knies is going well.

Rielly was arguably not developed well. I have never been a huge Rielly fan though he has looked good with some partners.

McMann is okay

Woll is to be determined.

Overall, that is a pathetic bunch for an organisation pumping so much into development. Like outsource your work already level bad.

Need to bump Domi down from 3C and get Mo a neanderthal partner at minimum in my mind.

Unless they finally perfected that cyborg knee for Hakanpaa.

Yeah same page.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

A winning team.

Tre should do what he thinks is best to achieve that goal.

Whatever he does will be criticized if he doesn't achieve it.

Whatever he does will be lauded if he does achieve that goal.

Pretty simple.



The only reason this is a "no win scenario" is because you haven't envisioned the scenario where the Leafs win. Granted, probably for good reason....

That's fair.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I’m liking Laughton as a target. Legitimate 3C, signed at a decent cap hit this year and next, and should be cheaper in a trade than Brayden bloody Schenn.

 

[conFABulator]

First off..

Matthews Marner Nylander don't count for obvious reasons. They could develop themselves they are so good.

Knies is going well.

Rielly was arguably not developed well. I have never been a huge Rielly fan though he has looked good with some partners.

McMann is okay

Woll is to be determined.

Overall, that is a pathetic bunch for an organisation pumping so much into development. Like outsource your work already level bad.



Yeah same page.

This is sort of tough to refute, not because I think you are right but because your comment is too vague to respond to?

Your basis seem to the that anyone good the Leafs have was going to be good no matter what, so no credit due. You also seem to have a high bar set for Knies, McMann and Woll.

Knies is doing better than "going well". He is a top six forward and seemingly only getting better. We should expect more than this from a 2nd round pick from a few years ago?

What makes McMann only OK?

Yes, Woll is still TBD because that is true of all young players. We don't think he punching above his (draft) weight?

The other guys, our core have all become top players and big contributors. This is what development is

 

[Skullz]

It feels very Treliving like to go hard after Laughton and Ristolainen. Some smoke there over the last year or so.

I actually think Risto would be a good fit. Huge upgrade on Benoit or Myers. Solid Pk'er.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Risto
Oel - Myers

I don't mind that defence. Although with rumours on Andersson's availability out of CGY, what an addition that would be. Doubt we can get him tho.

I object to Laughton cuz I feel like he is overpriced and does not contribute enough offence for what we would pay. Given the premium on centers, I wonder if acquiring a better winger for cheaper might be more astute? Someone like Rielly Smith, for example.

I don't like the Tavares and Nylander fit though. Which is why I'd rather get a center. But slim pickings it seems like.

 

[The Podium]

First off..

Matthews Marner Nylander don't count for obvious reasons. They could develop themselves they are so good.

Knies is going well.

Rielly was arguably not developed well. I have never been a huge Rielly fan though he has looked good with some partners.

McMann is okay

Woll is to be determined.

Overall, that is a pathetic bunch for an organization pumping so much into development. Like outsource your work already level bad.



Yeah same page.

Maybe you can make the argument for Matthews, but high picks dont necessarily guarantee success. Hard to say how much development played a part in their success, but look to the players drafted before and after both Marner and Nylander as proof that high picks can still fail to meet expectations. Our guys have exceeded it.

Give me examples of teams that are developing so well and how they are so far ahead of Toronto...

 

[Jozay]

Philly would need to retain 2+ mill of Ristolainen’s AAV for me to even entertain the idea of the guy

 

[thewave]

This is sort of tough to refute, not because I think you are right but because your comment is too vague to respond to?

Your basis seem to the that anyone good the Leafs have was going to be good no matter what, so no credit due. You also seem to have a high bar set for Knies, McMann and Woll.

Knies is doing better than "going well". He is a top six forward and seemingly only getting better. We should expect more than this from a 2nd round pick from a few years ago?

What makes McMann only OK?

Yes, Woll is still TBD because that is true of all young players. We don't think he punching above his (draft) weight?

The other guys, our core have all become top players and big contributors. This is what development is

It's easier to do it this way.

List the top 6 C's the Leafs have developed in 20 years.

List the top 4Ds

List the 1Gs

Now list the wingers.

Let me give you heads up. It's a small list, like pathetic bad outside getting top 10 picks.. they hardly develop anyone that isn't a shoe in.