GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Jozay]

Vancouver just did it when they basically swapped Horvat for Hronek.

Washington just turned Orlov into Sandin.

Horvat for Hronek is good example.

That has no bearing on anything. You get a return for a player and you can do whatever you want with the return.

Sure, Im just trying to imagine how a propsect/pick laden package would benefit the Leafs more than just trying to get NHL players back. Unless you think Marner wont return NHL players.

 

[4thline]

Sure, Im just trying to imagine how a propsect/pick laden package would benefit the Leafs more than just trying to get NHL players back. Unless you think Marner wont return NHL players.

Depends how much you like the UFA class.

Trading for mostly futures / ELC players then using the cap space on *worthy* UFAs essentially lets you double dip.

 

[Americanadian]

Sure, Im just trying to imagine how a propsect/pick laden package would benefit the Leafs more than just trying to get NHL players back. Unless you think Marner wont return NHL players.

I don't think there's a good fit of A. team that Marner would want to go to and B. team that is willing to give up pieces that move the needle for the Leafs today.

The easy answer is 3 way deal where team 3 eats 50% of Marner's salary and gets futures from team B while sending a good roster player to the Leafs.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

It's officially "common trades" season. It's good to be back. This uncomfortable feeling is what I know best.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't think there's a good fit of A. team that Marner would want to go to and B. team that is willing to give up pieces that move the needle for the Leafs today.

The easy answer is 3 way deal where team 3 eats 50% of Marner's salary and gets futures from team B while sending a good roster player to the Leafs.

Are you kidding? GMs have already lined up at SBC waiting to talk to Tre.

 

[uncleben]

It's officially "common trades" season. It's good to be back. This uncomfortable feeling is what I know best.

Two of my biggest pet peeves are people saying "common trades" when they mean "c'mon trades" and "chocking" when they mean "choking"

This stretch of this season - playoffs, into the off-season - is prime time for both of those, lol

 

[Americanadian]

Now that VGK is done:

To VGK: Marner, McCabe (+0.2M)
To TOR: Theodore, Roy, Hill (-0.2M)

Theodore, Hill, Marner, McCabe are all pending UFA's. VGK have Hanifin signed long-term as a Theodore replacement. Theodore can be the Leafs 1D going forward. Hill platoons with Woll. Roy plays 3C, he would be the first good RS C the Leafs have had since Bozak. Marner would be the latest of VGK's shiny toy collection - they could get him through a 3rd team and save a ton of cap. McCabe is a perfect VGK replacement player, I wouldn't want to move on from him but the Leafs would have too many LD in this scenario.

 

[Stephen]

Sure, Im just trying to imagine how a propsect/pick laden package would benefit the Leafs more than just trying to get NHL players back. Unless you think Marner wont return NHL players.

I think of prospects and picks as liquidity with no cap implication.

So if Marner Trade returns prospect, prospect, roster player and 1st round pick for example...

You can take 1 of those prospects, package off the first in some other combination and complete the 3 way trade with a team looking to offload a defenseman in a rebuild, for example.

 

[Stephen]

Now that VGK is done:

To VGK: Marner, McCabe (+0.2M)
To TOR: Theodore, Roy, Hill (-0.2M)

Theodore, Hill, Marner, McCabe are all pending UFA's. VGK have Hanifin signed long-term as a Theodore replacement. Theodore can be the Leafs 1D going forward. Hill platoons with Woll. Roy plays 3C, he would be the first good RS C the Leafs have had since Bozak. Marner would be the latest of VGK's shiny toy collection - they could get him through a 3rd team and save a ton of cap. McCabe is a perfect VGK replacement player, I wouldn't want to move on from him but the Leafs would have too many LD in this scenario.

If Vegas and Carolina choke out, I could see them both wanting to add some marquee offensive help, with the belief they have the infrastructure to support and some of the pieces Toronto would want. Yep.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Two of my biggest pet peeves are people saying "common trades" when they mean "c'mon trades" and "chocking" when they mean "choking"

This stretch of this season - playoffs, into the off-season - is prime time for both of those, lol

… don’t you remember where common trades came from?

 

[Evilhomer]

Now that VGK is done:

To VGK: Marner, McCabe (+0.2M)
To TOR: Theodore, Roy, Hill (-0.2M)

Theodore, Hill, Marner, McCabe are all pending UFA's. VGK have Hanifin signed long-term as a Theodore replacement. Theodore can be the Leafs 1D going forward. Hill platoons with Woll. Roy plays 3C, he would be the first good RS C the Leafs have had since Bozak. Marner would be the latest of VGK's shiny toy collection - they could get him through a 3rd team and save a ton of cap. McCabe is a perfect VGK replacement player, I wouldn't want to move on from him but the Leafs would have too many LD in this scenario.

Vegas has some cap issues that they need to work out first.

 

[djdev]

JT for couturier straight up, legooooooo

 

[Americanadian]

Vegas has some cap issues that they need to work out first.

Do they? If they broker the proposed deal through a 3rd team they actually clear 5.25M in cap space with this deal.

 

[hamzarocks]

Ron Francis came out and said that they want immediate help. They need a top line winger and might have to “part with prospects they don’t want to” to get one.

Does anyone know who’s good in their system?
Nothing really jumping out. I think i would do wright 1 for 1 (Marner extends obviously)

Would the 8th pick be enough?

They have a bunch of great prospects

1. Wright
2. 8th OA pick
3. Carson Rehkoph
4. Eduard Sale
5. Jagger Firkus
6. Oscar Fiscar Molgard
7. Jani Nyman
8. David Goyette
9. Ryker Evans

The first two are better than Cowan and best pieces in our org prospect pool

The next 7 would be our 2nd best prospects ahead of Minten and probably Greb

 

[hamzarocks]

Now that VGK is done:

To VGK: Marner, McCabe (+0.2M)
To TOR: Theodore, Roy, Hill (-0.2M)

Theodore, Hill, Marner, McCabe are all pending UFA's. VGK have Hanifin signed long-term as a Theodore replacement. Theodore can be the Leafs 1D going forward. Hill platoons with Woll. Roy plays 3C, he would be the first good RS C the Leafs have had since Bozak. Marner would be the latest of VGK's shiny toy collection - they could get him through a 3rd team and save a ton of cap. McCabe is a perfect VGK replacement player, I wouldn't want to move on from him but the Leafs would have too many LD in this scenario.

Leafs win that deal so eaaily

Would love for it to happen

I give Theodore 8 years 9M extension right away too

 

[Zero1]

Berube’s name keeps coming up as the next head coach and if I’m being honest, I think he would be pretty underwhelming. What has he done outside of that miracle run with the Blues?

 

[SprDaVE]

Berube’s name keeps coming up as the next head coach and if I’m being honest, I think he would be pretty underwhelming. What has he done outside of that miracle run with the Blues?

Coaches that get fired or that are free to sign usually are pretty underwhelming. They are there for a reason. If not Berube then who?

And what has he done? More or less what no coach ever gets to do -- win a cup. Is that the only thing that matters? No. But people want results... That's the best you can ask for right? Blues were kind of just averagely built and never really had a great core... it was just average. They still are average, I doubt a new coach will be able to change much there, but who knows.

Everyone here would be underwhelmed by Paul Maurice if he replaced Sheldon Keefe 2 seasons ago. But now they'd love him. He missed the playoffs 10 times between 2003 and 2017. Moved to Winnipeg, struggled quite a bit similarly to Keefe but made the playoffs every season, then resigns. Goes to Florida, make the playoffs by 1 point -- dominate since.

It's hard to judge a coach on past experiences because a lot of it is based on the roster and management decisions. If Treliving and Berube are on the same page and he can finally get the most of the players... we'll be in fine hands.

 

[LeafSteel]

If Keefe is finally fired, I don’t see the rush to hire Berube.

Dubas brought in a bush-league unqualified AHL coach for the damn Toronto Maple Leafs.

If we are finally out from under that albatross, I want the best head coach possible.

Season doesn’t start until the Fall. I want to see if a Rod Brind’ Amour or Jon Cooper becomes available.

No rush. Take the necessary time and get the best available.

We deserve it.

 

[SprDaVE]

If Keefe is finally fired, I don’t see the rush to hire Berube.

Dubas brought in a bush-league unqualified AHL coach for the damn Toronto Maple Leafs.

If we are finally out from under that albatross, I want the best head coach possible.

Season doesn’t start until the Fall. I want to see if a Rod Brind’ Amour or Jon Cooper becomes available.

No rush. Take the necessary time and get the best available.

We deserve it.

Teams won't make changes in August about their coach. Most of them will be in place by the end of the playoffs or the draft at the latest.

 

[Americanadian]

Jarnkrok to Utah for the Leafs 2025 2nd then offer sheet Schneider or Korczak 3Mx5.

Either would be extreme high risk high reward.

 

[ULF_55]

Rehkopf, Nyman, Firkus, Goyette, Sale would all be in the Cowan/Greb/Minten tier in our pool.

And the rules that apply to Leafs' prospects apply to everyone else's prospects.

It isn't like people here are guaranteeing any of Grebyonkin, Cowan, Minten, Niemela, ... are NHL players.

Therefore to be consistent, there is no guarantee any of the prospects on Team X are guaranteed NHLers.

So picks or prospects?

There's always Jared M ... nevermind.

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs need to take advantage of Matthews prime. Not trading Marner for f***ing prospects

There will be life after Matthews.

The thing is prospects and picks free up Cap Space.

Middle 6 players can be had in free agency, and so can players like Lindholm.

So say it turns out to be Lindholm and top 10 pick and prospect(s).

Frick, let's say it is Reinhart and picks and prospects?

More than 1 way to get there.

 

[Zero1]

Coaches that get fired or that are free to sign usually are pretty underwhelming. They are there for a reason. If not Berube then who?

And what has he done? More or less what no coach ever gets to do -- win a cup. Is that the only thing that matters? No. But people want results... That's the best you can ask for right? Blues were kind of just averagely built and never really had a great core... it was just average. They still are average, I doubt a new coach will be able to change much there, but who knows.

Everyone here would be underwhelmed by Paul Maurice if he replaced Sheldon Keefe 2 seasons ago. But now they'd love him. He missed the playoffs 10 times between 2003 and 2017. Moved to Winnipeg, struggled quite a bit similarly to Keefe but made the playoffs every season, then resigns. Goes to Florida, make the playoffs by 1 point -- dominate since.

It's hard to judge a coach on past experiences because a lot of it is based on the roster and management decisions. If Treliving and Berube are on the same page and he can finally get the most of the players... we'll be in fine hands.

Yeah that’s fair. It’s the same with Laviolette in NY. I thought he would be a bad hire but the Rangers look fantastic.

I personally want Sullivan or Quenneville if he’s truly remorseful. I feel their coaching style, experience in coaching superstars, and their experience with the media circus around Crosby/Kane will go a long way here.

 

[613Leafer]

Berube’s name keeps coming up as the next head coach and if I’m being honest, I think he would be pretty underwhelming. What has he done outside of that miracle run with the Blues?

To be fair, he's never coached a fantastic roster. He coached Philly after Pronger, Carter, Richards, etc all left, and the St. Louis team he won with was arguably the worst roster on paper to win the Cup in the past ~10-15 years.

 

[aingefan]

If we're going to trade guys I think we need to get younger

We have young talent on the roster and on the way through the organization, we need guys who fit with them and keep the Matthew's Nylander Domi types to play with them

I've had enough of old guys, let's go after some young defenseman and centers with ceilings and grow them

I agree with this.
A focus has to be placed on continuity, not just for the optics of age but for the salary control that comes along with it.
And if there’s a coaching change. I want that coach to be cool and skilled with player development.