GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Gabriel426]

No, it's a must

Improving the culture is great but you don't win the Kentucky Derby on a donkey, you still need horses

Yes, and we have been betting on the wrong horses.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Jarnkrok and Kampf have got to go IMO. Not worth the money and not Berube style bottom 6 guys. Fill the bottom 6 with toughness and talented youth. We also already have Holmberg and Minten which makes Kampf useless.

In terms of Marner trades I really dont like the idea of the Saros deal. Theodore package is the only one I really like im open to keeping Marner and playing him at 2C like we already should have done.

Yup. Always been my issue with those two guys, especially Kampf, who unlike Jarkrok provides nothing else except defense. Of you're going to be a zero on offense you at least need to be providing some grit with that defense.

 

[horner]

Tanev has major risk

Age, + past health + play style.

Im worried he becomes a #4/5D next year and we end up paying a slightly better Brodie to be on our team

Chuchuran I like but we need to extend him. Dont want a 1 year player

Roy is solid signing though his lack of offense could hurt come playoffs

I think instead of tanev I give 4.5M to Zadorov for 2 years. Younger + more upside

Big Z will get 5.5 mil × 5 yrs

 

[horner]

Bennett was also at 12 points on the year then, and 12 points the year prior.

Bennett always woke up in the playoffs this why I wanted him back then .
And he was tough ad nails and a dirt bag.

 

[horner]

I expect Treliving to completely change our defense this off-season.

1. Brodie and Lybushkin walk. We dont extend an offer
2. Liljegren traded for a 2nd rd pick. No salary retained or taken back.
3. Sign Montour and Vincent Desharnais
4. Re-sign Edmundson

Reilly - Montour
Benoit - McCabe
Edmundson - Deharnais

Add Tanev

Rielly Tanev
McCabe Montour
Benoit Desharnais

Montour PP1

If Mo can't be better with Tanev trade him

He's gone, just a matter of what he's traded for

Another young defenseman in his situation like Fabbro or a young center in his situation like Glass

Maybe we can sucker another team like Washington to get a 1st rd pk

 

[horner]

Joshua Dakota
I think he can be a 2nd or 3rd line winger in the mold of Hyman on the cheap
2.5 mil @ 4yrs
he is getting better and better

Loves to get involved physically and go to the net

 

[Kiwi]

You think we could get a late 1st for him like his buddy Sandin? I'd probably even do it for a couple of 2nds in this draft.

I'd take either of those and run, Tre didn't draft him so he has no incentive to keep him and its obvious he's looking for a different type of player

Yes, and we have been betting on the wrong horses.

Fine but we need to make this trade count
We can't Kadri a Marner trade, that's catastrophic

 

[Kiwi]

Add Tanev

Rielly Tanev
McCabe Montour
Benoit Desharnais

Montour PP1

If Mo can't be better with Tanev trade him


Maybe we can sucker another team like Washington to get a 1st rd pk

Fingers crossed, I'd take a 2nd and a 3rd even
Get something back and have another Crack at it

 

[Gabriel426]

I'd take either of those and run, Tre didn't draft him so he has no incentive to keep him and its obvious he's looking for a different type of player



Fine but we need to make this trade count
We can't Kadri a Marner trade, that's catastrophic

I think both JT and MM should be traded this summer.
Still stand with trading MM to the Blues for Parayko, Binnington and a 1st.
Then trade JT for picks to free up cap space and sign Toffoli and Marchessault.
Then use the TJ money to sign Pesce.
Also trade Kampf and Calle for picks and try to trade for Bjugstad to play 3C as he is only a 2mil contract.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I think both JT and MM should be traded this summer.
Still stand with trading MM to the Blues for Parayko, Binnington and a 1st.
Then trade JT for picks to free up cap space and sign Toffoli and Marchessault.
Then use the TJ money to sign Pesce.
Also trade Kampf and Calle for picks and try to trade for Bjugstad to play 3C as he is only a 2mil contract.

Really don’t like that STL trade.

 

[613Leafer]

There are a lot of quality dmen lined up for free agency, and we have a GM/coach who appreciate a deep blueline.

Really hoping we don't mess up this opportunity. If you could replace Benoit/Lybushkin in our top 4 with some combination of Roy, Skjei, Pesce, Tanev, Montour, DeMelo, Dillon, someone in. Marner trade, etc, that'd be a pretty solid upgrade (and for a team without an elite #1D, probably the type of blueline depth we really need to contend).

 

[aingefan]

He's healthy, idk about work ethic, but he's seemingly been willing to put up with a lot, arguably he isn't the best forechecker and may end up one dimensional, but that dimension is scoring, which is what we lack,he's still putting up points with Milwaukee rn.

That's a lot of parts but I'd do it as a Pred fan, would even swap out picks for our 1st if it came down to it.

I doubt Stastny moves given that Fabbro and Carrier might move and we lack the depth.

Thanks again for the input.
So an offence first right winger/centre. One of our posters posted about him a year or so ago, showing positive defensive results. He’s an interesting guy/profile to me. Similar to Fabbro, seems to get some tough move for some reason.
Appreciate the insights.

I did have that massive TOR/NSH trade above - might be more viable than I thought lol

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Robertson / Tomasino swap
Liljegren / Fabbro swap

Saros, 2nd, 3rd for Marner, Jarnkrok, 5th, 7th

I'm not sure it's my favorite deal but maybe there is a 2 for 2 trade there involving Robertson, Liljegren for Tomasino and Fabbro.

Brunette seemed to express frustration with Tomasino & they scratched Fabbro quite a bit.

I could see some traction on Marner for Saros as a base, but I think that part of your proposal is too lean. Goalies don’t carry that much value, I don’t think.
But I do like lots of pieces from the Nashville side.

 

[shortfuze]

Yes, Tanev's play styles is what we've been missing, but it's also not a play style that tends to age well. Tanev will be 35 in December.

The Leafs don't really ahve the assets with which to start trying to replace him if he ends up on the LTIR.



This. The focus on a Marner trade needs to be on guys that we know will help us beyond this year. Not Saros who's contract we will immediately regret when we run into a team that has a $3m goalie go toe-to-toe with him.

If they are winning with Saros why does it matter if the other team has a 3 million dollar goalie?

 

[aingefan]

To the surprise of no one;

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Ugh, this has the makings of a mistake and selling low.
The only D in house with an upward trajectory, which would include whoever comes in via FA.
It’s not impossible to get equal or good value, but I’d be looking for a first on a reset type of deal.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

I did have that massive TOR/NSH trade above - might be more viable than I thought lol

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Robertson / Tomasino swap
Liljegren / Fabbro swap

Saros, 2nd, 3rd for Marner, Jarnkrok, 5th, 7th

I'm not sure it's my favorite deal but maybe there is a 2 for 2 trade there involving Robertson, Liljegren for Tomasino and Fabbro.

Brunette seemed to express frustration with Tomasino & they scratched Fabbro quite a bit.

I've warmed up to this idea. I didn't realize Tomasino was from Mississauga. Sometimes, an "immaturity" issue could be homesickness. Not everyone is ready to leave home at 17 or 18. Being back home could help him both get support and a kick in the ass from family members. He's got all the tools to be a Top 6 forward.

Fabbro, like Lilly, has shown signs that he can play high in the line-up. Maybe it's as simple as a fresh start/new coach/new system for him to reach his potential.

Saros - I'm higher on him than others in this thread. I keep hearing about his size. That would be a concern if he was a prospect, but he's played 9 years in the NHL! That's a massive sample size. He's been over a .900 save percentage for 8 of the 9 years, which includes the last 3 where he's played over 60 games. I mean, there should not be any worry about his size or ability level at this point in time.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I feel like we should be looking for 1 defensemen that's the best fit. I assume Trev is going to sign Tanev/Zadaorv. So just look for the other one.

We will have to throw offers and see who bites. Pesche RHD might be an option and Zadorov might bite but many won't want to play in Canada.Its who picks us?

Big Z will get 5.5 mil × 5 yrs

Easily.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Come on trades! Wait...

Common trades!

 

[Evilhomer]

There is a good chance that the team that wins the Cup this season isn't going to have the traditional elite number one defenseman that others have traditionally had. Dallas doesn't, Florida doesn't, Edmonton doesn't - then it's a question of whether Fox or Hughes fall into that category (hard to argue against Hughes). At least one or two of the guys on potential Cup winners are likely going to be Leafs next season (Montour, Zadorov and Tanev).

 

[SprDaVE]

There is a good chance that the team that wins the Cup this season isn't going to have the traditional elite number one defenseman that others have traditionally had. Dallas doesn't, Florida doesn't, Edmonton doesn't - then it's a question of whether Fox or Hughes fall into that category (hard to argue against Hughes). At least one or two of the guys on potential Cup winners are likely going to be Leafs next season (Montour, Zadorov and Tanev).

Heiskanen is a clear #1 defenseman, if he's not then our definition of #1 is much different. Hughes and Fox are 100% #1 defensemen. Florida and the Oilers are probably in that no #1 defenseman bubble, it's very much a committee thing in terms of quality.

This off-season has a lot of quality defensemen available to sign for just cap space. I wouldn't say there's a #1 or whatever term you wanna use but this team doesn't need it. You just need to add quality and depth. Can't make a mistake there so I hope the scouts and Treliving get it right.

 

[Gallagbi]

There is a good chance that the team that wins the Cup this season isn't going to have the traditional elite number one defenseman that others have traditionally had. Dallas doesn't, Florida doesn't, Edmonton doesn't - then it's a question of whether Fox or Hughes fall into that category (hard to argue against Hughes). At least one or two of the guys on potential Cup winners are likely going to be Leafs next season (Montour, Zadorov and Tanev).

Heiskanen is pretty solid. Definitely a bonafide #1, but not Makar level

 

[Magic Man]

Marner (extended at 12M per for 8 years)

for

Brady Tkachuk

9 guaranteed years of Marner for 4 guaranteed years of Tkachuk. Tkachuk hasn't led the Senators to the playoffs and Marner has struggled to get the Leafs out of the first round. Ottawa could use some help getting into the playoffs and making playoff revenue and Toronto might like a complimentary power forward to add to their skill up front.

 

[rumman]

I expect Treliving to completely change our defense this off-season.

1. Brodie and Lybushkin walk. We dont extend an offer
2. Liljegren traded for a 2nd rd pick. No salary retained or taken back.
3. Sign Montour and Vincent Desharnais
4. Re-sign Edmundson

Reilly - Montour
Benoit - McCabe
Edmundson - Deharnais

I’d like to see Rielly replaced with someone else, perhaps Paryoko can be had for Mo?

Culture > any player

I’d like to get a great return too, but that’s all just a bonus.

Addition by subtraction, any assets are just icing on the cake…….

 

[Americanadian]

There is a good chance that the team that wins the Cup this season isn't going to have the traditional elite number one defenseman that others have traditionally had. Dallas doesn't, Florida doesn't, Edmonton doesn't

Heiskanen is legitimately a top 5 defenseman in the league.

Forsling/Montour/Ekblad might be the best collection of 3 defenseman on any roster.

 

[rumman]

Marner (extended at 12M per for 8 years)

for

Brady Tkachuk

9 guaranteed years of Marner for 4 guaranteed years of Tkachuk. Tkachuk hasn't led the Senators to the playoffs and Marner has struggled to get the Leafs out of the first round. Ottawa could use some help getting into the playoffs and making playoff revenue and Toronto might like a complimentary power forward to add to their skill up front.

I’d do that……..

 

[Americanadian]

Where do people realistically think Rielly waives to go? For all players I default to hometown (VAN) or one of the 4 desired markets (DAL, VGK, FLA, TB) and you can maybe include NSH. Of those 6 teams the only one that makes any sense for Rielly is VAN. DAL/TB/NSH/VGK already have 2 high paid LD. FLA has cap troubles and would most likely rather pay Ekblad and Montour 7.5M than being in Rielly. SEA would be close to home and they also have no state tax but they also have LD depth. VAN could have a real hole at 2LD next season if Zadorov walks.

Curious what other teams people think Rielly would be willing to go to.