Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Fogelhund]

Jarnkrok hasn't played either game, and isn't at practise. No idea if injured, or if something is up.

If you move Jarnkrok, you have $1.6 mil in cap space.... sign Gregor to a league minimum... still gives you the option to offer Kane $1.6 mil down the road... which seems impossibly low, but if you want to play here, that is what's left.

 

[Kurtz]

Jarnkrok hasn't played either game, and isn't at practise. No idea if injured, or if something is up.

If you move Jarnkrok, you have $1.6 mil in cap space.... sign Gregor to a league minimum... still gives you the option to offer Kane $1.6 mil down the road... which seems impossibly low, but if you want to play here, that is what's left.

Unless I'm mistaken, if we play the season $1m under the cap and Kane comes in for the last quarter of the year, we can sign him to a $4m deal (he'd only be paid 25% of that, ergo the $1m).

I could be off though.

 

[Americanadian]

Unless I'm mistaken, if we play the season $1m under the cap and Kane comes in for the last quarter of the year, we can sign him to a $4m deal (he'd only be paid 25% of that, ergo the $1m).

I could be off though.

This would be true if Muzzin and Murray weren't on the roster. You can't accrue cap space when you are into LTIR.

 

[Fogelhund]

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Unless I'm mistaken, if we play the season $1m under the cap and Kane comes in for the last quarter of the year, we can sign him to a $4m deal (he'd only be paid 25% of that, ergo the $1m).

I could be off though.

As per @Americanadian you can't accrue Cap space, while in LTIR.

 

[Kurtz]

Jarn has always made the most sense for me as the guy to be sent out. Not that he's not useful, but he's 32, on the downside of his career and I don't think he's good enough for the top 6, whereas his bottom 6 contributions could be matched by Laff or a comparable minimum player.

 

[Legion34]

So you are holding injuries against a guy who was highly rated and highly sought after?

Who needs up and coming RD, not the Leafs right?

How about we give him actual playing time so we dont get half assed takes based on feelz?

How many injuries?
He is 25 and gets repeatedly walked. He was healthy all last season and was our like 10th defens man. He couldn’t play more than 10 min a night on the coyotes.

If he was highly sought after he wouldn’t have went for Curtis Douglas.

I would love the guy to do well. But there
Is nothing to suggest he will.

If he gets walked repeatedly in a number of NHL games he is very unlikely to make it.

He will clear waivers I would bet.

 

[notdoneyet]

Timmins always gets points whenever he plays

Waive gio. He is on his last legs

 

[ACC1224]

How many injuries?
He is 25 and gets repeatedly walked. He was healthy all last season and was our like 10th defens man. He couldn’t play more than 10 min a night on the coyotes.

If he was highly sought after he wouldn’t have went for Curtis Douglas.

I would love the guy to do well. But there
Is nothing to suggest he will.

If he gets walked repeatedly in a number of NHL games he is very unlikely to make it.

He will clear waivers I would bet.

You know constantly stating that he is "repeatedly walked" doesn't make it true.

He had 14 points in 25 games last year and was a plus player.
There is lots to suggest he can do well here.

 

[LaPlante94]

Jarn has always made the most sense for me as the guy to be sent out. Not that he's not useful, but he's 32, on the downside of his career and I don't think he's good enough for the top 6, whereas his bottom 6 contributions could be matched by Laff or a comparable minimum player.

The only time he was good was when he played in our top 6. Well, with Matthews and Marner to be specific. He's still got the motor and shot and I'm sure out of the 3 players we are pretty much forced to move or waive at this point he probably gets you the most on the trade market. Might as well get a pick or 2 for him after a career year.

 

[Legion34]

You know constantly stating that he is "repeatedly walked" doesn't make it true.

He had 14 points in 25 games last year and was a plus player.
There is lots to suggest he can do well here.

No. But watching him get repeatedly walked does???

Again. I wouldn’t have minded if he was a sheltered d and have him put up points as a pp specialist. No room with klingberg

 

[ACC1224]

No. But watching him get repeatedly walked does???

Again. I wouldn’t have minded if he was a sheltered d and have him put up points as a pp specialist. No room with klingberg

What is your definition of 'repeatedly'? Once? Twice? Every shift?
Klingberg won't prevent him from playing on the bottom pair.

 

[LeafEgo]

Jarn has always made the most sense for me as the guy to be sent out. Not that he's not useful, but he's 32, on the downside of his career and I don't think he's good enough for the top 6, whereas his bottom 6 contributions could be matched by Laff or a comparable minimum player.

What if Nylander shifts to center?

 

[kb]

Timmins is literally redundant. He's 3 deep on the offensive defenseman depth chart below Rielly and Klingberg. And he's not even essential as that as Liljegren could very competently fill in on the power play if he had to. Nonetheless I would like to keep Timmins around. Waiving him at the right time of the year (end of training camp when most lineups are set) may be a way to keep him.

The Leafs have 2 RD with one season left on their deals who are also the wrong side of 30, along with 40 year old Gio. He is the furthest thing from redundant. That's one of the the most shortsighted takes I have read.

For years the Leafs have had issues getting/developing RD and now you want to throw this one away. He gets claimed immediately.

 

[kb]

What is your definition of 'repeatedly'? Once? Twice? Every shift?
Klingberg won't prevent him from playing on the bottom pair.

In his first game action in nearly 8 months. I mean....people have an irrational hate for a guy who plays the very position the Leafs have historically had trouble finding and filling.

 

[Stephen]

Timmins is literally redundant. He's 3 deep on the offensive defenseman depth chart below Rielly and Klingberg. And he's not even essential as that as Liljegren could very competently fill in on the power play if he had to. Nonetheless I would like to keep Timmins around. Waiving him at the right time of the year (end of training camp when most lineups are set) may be a way to keep him.

People like to point out that scoring stats aren't a good way of evaluating defensemen. And while this is often true, Conor Timmins scored 4 fewer points than Liljegren last year and 6 fewer points than Sandin last year in less than half the games, and is a year or two older than them. I'm not drawing any conclusions other than to say there was enough of anomaly there that maybe we shouldn't draw conclusions just yet.

If he can put in a couple of Cody Franson type years and clean up the defense, that would still be a win.

He also makes $300K more than league min. so by the time you find a league min. defenseman you're only saving a marginal amount to put towards something else that will be... marginal.

 

[Kurtz]

What if Nylander shifts to center?

Jarn does make sense as a defensive winger on that Domi-Nylander line we've been talking about, no question. But someone like Lafferty could do the same things, while adding speed and a physical edge that Jarn doesn't bring.

 

[LeafEgo]

Jarn does make sense as a defensive winger on that Domi-Nylander line we've been talking about, no question. But someone like Lafferty could do the same things, while adding speed and a physical edge that Jarn doesn't bring.

I'm thinking if Willy moves to center, without Jarn our RW's are Mitch-Laff-Reavo-?

I love Willy at C but wondering how the rest works. We finally got a full top 6 but might not even use it. I'm not sure how comfortable JT, Bert, or Domi are on their off wing, and I wouldn't put Robby or Knies there - that would be a dick move.

If we move Jarn to free space it might just mean using it to get another RW. If it's Kane somehow then ok. Even with Jarn I'm wondering what the rest of the plan would be with Willy at C.

 

[tmlfan98]

Jarn has always made the most sense for me as the guy to be sent out. Not that he's not useful, but he's 32, on the downside of his career and I don't think he's good enough for the top 6, whereas his bottom 6 contributions could be matched by Laff or a comparable minimum player.

Jarn does make sense as a defensive winger on that Domi-Nylander line we've been talking about, no question. But someone like Lafferty could do the same things, while adding speed and a physical edge that Jarn doesn't bring.

If you think Lafferty can replace Jarnkrok's secondary scoring in the middle 6, you are vastly overrating Lafferty. I think the best bet of replacing Jarnkrok's secondary scoring if he is traded is if Robertson and/or McMann can stay healthy, but the drop off in 5v5 play/special teams depth would be steep.

Timmins on the other hand is a young RH 7th dman who could be something, or could be nothing. We already know Jarnkrok is something, and that is a player who fills multiple holes in a lineup with 1 roster spot. Hence why some call him a "swiss army knife" type of player.

 

[tmlfan98]

The Leafs have 2 RD with one season left on their deals who are also the wrong side of 30, along with 40 year old Gio. He is the furthest thing from redundant. That's one of the the most shortsighted takes I have read.

For years the Leafs have had issues getting/developing RD and now you want to throw this one away. He gets claimed immediately.

What if Tre trades him for a pick instead of waiving him?

Then trades a lower pick for a depth RHD who cleared waivers on another team after final roster cuts. These types of moves happen every year after final roster cuts.

 

[LaPlante94]

I'm thinking if Willy moves to center, without Jarn our RW's are Mitch-Laff-Reavo-?

I love Willy at C but wondering how the rest works. We finally got a full top 6 but might not even use it. I'm not sure how comfortable JT, Bert, or Domi are on their off wing, and I wouldn't put Robby or Knies there - that would be a dick move.

If we move Jarn to free space it might just mean using it to get another RW. If it's Kane somehow then ok. Even with Jarn I'm wondering what the rest of the plan would be with Willy at C.

Yeah the timing of putting Nylander at C seems weird imo. Unless we plan on playing Knies or Robertson at RW it doesn't really make sense, especially if we are thinking about moving Jarnkrok and after bringing in Domi who has shown to be better at C than LW. Moving Jarnkrok makes sense since he was pretty invincible playing in our bottom 6 last year and only put up good numbers playing with our top line. Seeing that they are giving that LW spot on that line to Bertuzzi now I just don't see the point in keeping him when he will probably get us the best deal if we were to trade one of the guys we have to to become cap compliant. If rumours are true that we are interested in Kane then him and Domi were very good together in Chicago on a bad team so it would be interesting to see them together again against easier competition.

If you think Lafferty can replace Jarnkrok's secondary scoring in the middle 6, you are vastly overrating Lafferty. I think the best bet of replacing Jarnkrok's secondary scoring if he is traded is if Robertson and/or McMann can stay healthy, but the drop off in 5v5 play/special teams depth would be steep.

Timmins on the other hand is a young RH 7th dman who could be something, or could be nothing. We already know Jarnkrok is something, and that is a player who fills multiple holes in a lineup with 1 roster spot. Hence why some call him a "swiss army knife" type of player.

What secondary scoring? He did all his scoring on our top line that is now replaced by Bertuzzi.

 

[tmlfan98]

What secondary scoring? He did all his scoring on our top line that is now replaced by Bertuzzi.

He's been money in the bank for 15-20 goals per season his entire career. That's solid production for a middle 6 player, especially at only 2.1M against the cap. Lafferty on the other hand only has 23 career goals in 210 games, who some believe can easily replace Jarnkrok's secondary scoring.

 

[Avilaj07]

I'm not a fan at Lafferty at all. I'd rather give his spot to McMann or someone. If anything, I feel like Gregor could replace both Jarnkrok and Lafferty. Solid bottom 6 winger with speed to burn, hits and has some offense to his game. You get rid of Lafferty and Jarnkrok and sign Gregor to league minimum, you just saved 2.5 million on your cap.

 

[justashadowof]

Timmins was acquired for Curtis "Shoulder Shrug" Douglas for goodness sakes 9 months ago. This seems to be another classic overrate the Leafs' depth player situation. He was the default offensive defender when Rielly went down last season and did a decent job at that. It was all about usage, it often is. Remember the offensive numbers Zaitsev put up in his rookie season? If anything, I believe the middling offensive defenseman to be the most overrated commodity in all of hockey. If you're not a reliable puck mover and defensive zone defender, modest offensive contributions don't compensate. Half of the league's defense talent could put up 40 to 50 points easily with heavy ice time with Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander.

 

[Kurtz]

He's been money in the bank for 15-20 goals per season his entire career. That's solid production for a middle 6 player, especially at only 2.1M against the cap. Lafferty on the other hand only has 23 career goals in 210 games, who some believe can easily replace Jarnkrok's secondary scoring.

He hit 20 for the first time in his career last year, and I think that was largely due to Matthews. Otherwise, he averages 0.19 goals per game for his career. If you look at his prior years, he's a 12-15 goal player.

Lafferty only averages 0.11 goals/game for his career, but he does that in 12 minutes per game compared to Jarn's 15. Equalize their icetime, and you're looking at a difference of maybe 4 goals a year between the two, and when you add in Laff's physicality to the equation I think that balances out. And Laff has half the cap hit.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He's been money in the bank for 15-20 goals per season his entire career. That's solid production for a middle 6 player, especially at only 2.1M against the cap. Lafferty on the other hand only has 23 career goals in 210 games, who some believe can easily replace Jarnkrok's secondary scoring.

I just looked at his year-by-year stats - apparently he had -15 penalty minutes in 2021-22 with the Kraken!

How do you get negative penalty minutes?