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Kurtz
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That's with a full 23 man roster.
The team is likely to run a 20/21 man roster and one of Jarnkrok, Lafferty or Timmins will likely be replaced with a min. player.
LeafChief
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I believe it's very likely Timmins gets waived.
As the post above mentioned, they will likely play with a 20/21 man roster to get under the cap elsewhere. Timmins was a 1.1 AAV and 2 year term. He looked pretty good in his brief stint last year. It's only one pre-season game but he looked very slow last night.
I imagine he would pass through waivers but I guess it's possible he does not. I would guess that both Lafferty and Jarnkrok are in top 9 spots on opening night.
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We are 400k-500k over, with Timmins there and 21 guys on the roster...
SO... does Timmins get waived?
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You pretty much add anyone to LTIR, run with 20 players and we are cap compliant.
You put Reaves on LTIR, and you have room to bring up any player making $850k or less, and go with 21 on the roster.
I'm guessing someone is going on LTIR before the start of the season.
SO... does Timmins get waived?
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You pretty much add anyone to LTIR, run with 20 players and we are cap compliant.
You put Reaves on LTIR, and you have room to bring up any player making $850k or less, and go with 21 on the roster.
I'm guessing someone is going on LTIR before the start of the season.
LeafChief
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Who is injured? I saw an article by Alter saying that even though Tavares is missing the first two games on pre-season, he's scheduled to play Wednesday. Brodie appears to be a full participant in practice too.
Is there anyone else I'm missing that might be banged up?
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I dunno about getting rid of Timmins for cap compliance. A big RHD who can distribute the puck pretty well with recent pedigree doesn’t seem like that bad of an option to have. He’s overpaid by what $400K?
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Kressler, McMann, Voit, and Benoit are the only other injuries/bangups I think they've mentioned
LeafalCrusader
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20 man roster either 11/7 or 12/6 if they waive Timmins.
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Reeves is going to be in the lineup game 1 if he's healthy - they didn't just sign him to that three year deal to not play him, especially this first year.
Imo a big unknown is how Tre views Timmins, who doesn't strike me as a guy he traditionally seems to like as part of the D. I personally like the guy but definitely don't see him as a lock for the lineup yet
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Duffman955
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If we loose Timmins, hopefully he’s traded for a draft pick instead of loosing him for nothing.
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Odd that Liljegren is up and coming, but Timmins at the same age and with less experience is forgettable and waiveable.
Klingberg is a 1 year signing, and Brodie has 1 year left as well.
Klingberg is a 1 year signing, and Brodie has 1 year left as well.
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Stephen
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So far he seems like Justin Holl with the sliders reversed on offensive ability and defensive coverage. Big wingspan, not physical but can play a shift. I think there’s some upside there if he can polish up the defense.
Lilly has been a no 1 all star d in the AHL.
Was touted as a top 2 pick (clearly this wasn’t correct) in his draft year
And spent most of 2 years looking like a promising top 4 d.
He seems to lose confidence.
They are no where near the same. Timmins gets repeatedly walked.
I would love for him to play well. But he hasn’t shown anything
ACC1224
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Timmins makes a positive impact every time he dresses.
He has no idea what to do in the defensive zone.
If we took a defensive D and wanted him to be a pp specialist sure. But with klingberg it doesn’t seem right
Reilly Brodie.
Xxxx Lilly
Gio. Timmins
Sure that could have worked (risky but I could see taking a shot)
kb
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So you are holding injuries against a guy who was highly rated and highly sought after?
Who needs up and coming RD, not the Leafs right?
How about we give him actual playing time so we dont get half assed takes based on feelz?
Let’s see on D:
40 year old Gio
1 year of Klingberg
Last year of Brodie
Yes, let’s waive our RHD with some size and offensive instincts, who is also essentially a rookie.
I mean, we have defensive depth, and particularly RHD defensive depth oozing out of our orifices, so yes, let’s lose a young RHD for nothing.
They are a dime a dozen, amiright?
40 year old Gio
1 year of Klingberg
Last year of Brodie
Yes, let’s waive our RHD with some size and offensive instincts, who is also essentially a rookie.
I mean, we have defensive depth, and particularly RHD defensive depth oozing out of our orifices, so yes, let’s lose a young RHD for nothing.
They are a dime a dozen, amiright?
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Timmons has like 61 games in the NHL and less than 150 in pro hockey.
Injuries have hurt his upside but there is a lot there for polish if he’s developed right. Unfortunately he needs to be insulated at the NHL level because he’s gotta clear waivers but they would work with him at the #7.
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Timmins has had among the very worst injury history for anyone his age in the league. He hasn't played more than 42 games in a year since 2016-2017 in the OHL, had one year where he didn't play at all, and one year where he played 6 games. Since 2018-2019, he's played 118 games at any level - had he stayed reasonably healthy, he probably would have played ~300-350.
6-8 months after being drafted, he was looking like maybe the steal of his draft. Who knows what he may have become had he stayed healthy and continued on a normal development course. Nobody would have been shocked at that time if he became a top pairing guy, based on his post-draft OHL season + WJC tournament.
We're now trying to slowly build him back up, but like you said, without the benefit of being able to place him on the Marlies. It's hard to develop a guy at the NHL level when he's missed so much time. But I'm really hoping we don't lose him to waivers, as despite his age, I think there's still some solid potential in there.
Trade Jarnkrok for a pick and replace with Marlie depth (Gregor + Robertson + Holmberg)
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Nylander - Robertson
Knies - Tavares - Lafferty
Gregor/Holmberg - Kampf - Reaves/Holmberg
I’d run a balanced D with pretty equal minutes to start the season:
Rielly - Liljegren
McCabe/Brodie - Klingberg
McCabe/Brodie - Timmins
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Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Nylander - Robertson
Knies - Tavares - Lafferty
Gregor/Holmberg - Kampf - Reaves/Holmberg
I’d run a balanced D with pretty equal minutes to start the season:
Rielly - Liljegren
McCabe/Brodie - Klingberg
McCabe/Brodie - Timmins
Gio
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Timmins is literally redundant. He's 3 deep on the offensive defenseman depth chart below Rielly and Klingberg. And he's not even essential as that as Liljegren could very competently fill in on the power play if he had to. Nonetheless I would like to keep Timmins around. Waiving him at the right time of the year (end of training camp when most lineups are set) may be a way to keep him.
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Anyone saying Jarnkrok is more replaceable than Timmins is overlooking how this roster is constructed, and how important Jarnkrok specifically is in this construction. Replacing all the holes Jarnkrok fills in this lineup (at 5v5/special teams/secondary goal scoring) internally would be pretty much impossible.
Leafs can replace Timmins easily on the RHD depth chart by trading him for a pick, then they can trade for a RHD who sneaked through waivers for another team after final roster cuts.
Leafs can replace Timmins easily on the RHD depth chart by trading him for a pick, then they can trade for a RHD who sneaked through waivers for another team after final roster cuts.
Timmins reminds me of former Leaf Ric Jackman in a lot of ways. Great tools, size, skating, shot, passes are crisp and on the tape, but about as smart as a bag of hammers.
He's the kind of guy you watch a few times and think, "man this guy could be a player." But then you really watch him and realize he has no idea what's going on out there.
I'd like to keep him around if it can reasonably be done because he's missed so much time that maybe he can figure things out a little more with some consistent health. But I also wouldn't worry much about losing him. There's also the benefit these types of players give you in that they can give you minutes above their level because of the physical tools if you run into injury issues on the back end.
He's the kind of guy you watch a few times and think, "man this guy could be a player." But then you really watch him and realize he has no idea what's going on out there.
I'd like to keep him around if it can reasonably be done because he's missed so much time that maybe he can figure things out a little more with some consistent health. But I also wouldn't worry much about losing him. There's also the benefit these types of players give you in that they can give you minutes above their level because of the physical tools if you run into injury issues on the back end.
uncleben
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I like Timmins and think it would be a loss to move on from him so quickly, especially with several expiring contracts on D, but this is the right take.
His role is simply easier to fill with the way we are built and what we have for replacements/redundancies in the system
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