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Dreakmur said:
Trade Dermott and Holl or Muzzin get exposed in the expansion draft, right?
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Not necessarily. A Dermott for Driedger trade shouldn't change plans for the expansion draft unless the team (Toronto) intends to protect Dermott. A potential problem could be found in trading a pending RFA in Dermott for a pending UFA in Driedger.
 
Dubas is insane if he goes into the playoffs without making a goaltender addition. The grind of playoff series will be super risky with two tenders that have been hampered and hard pressed to put together starts. Campbells play has been great, but spotty health wise. Andersen is Andersen. His health and past playoff performance both question marks. I think Dubas tries to add.
 
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Buds17 said:
Not necessarily. A Dermott for Driedger trade shouldn't change plans for the expansion draft unless the team (Toronto) intends to protect Dermott. A potential problem could be found in trading a pending RFA in Dermott for a pending UFA in Driedger.
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I'm pretty sure you have to expose at least one player from each position. If they don't have Dermott to expose, which other defenseman gets exposed?
 
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Go4soda said:
Dubas is insane if he goes into the playoffs without making a goaltender addition. The grind of playoff series will be super risky with two tenders that have been hampered and hard pressed to put together starts. Campbells play has been great, but spotty health wise. Andersen is Andersen. His health and past playoff performance both question marks. I think Dubas tries to add.
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It's quite a bit of an exaggeration to say he'd be insane not to make a goaltender trade. If Andersen is healthy, then a top 3 of Campbell, Andersen and Hutchinson is more than adequate. We don't have a boat load of cap space to have 3 goaltenders on the roster, plus another on the taxi squad.

Nobody has 3 #1 goaltenders ready to go at all times.
 
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Dreakmur said:
I'm pretty sure you have to expose at least one player from each position. If they don't have Dermott to expose, which other defenseman gets exposed?
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Sign Marty Marincin to a 1 year deal worth 700K and he is the other d to expose. With the low salary he can be sent to the minors
 
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Dreakmur said:
I'm pretty sure you have to expose at least one player from each position. If they don't have Dermott to expose, which other defenseman gets exposed?
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The games played requirement! You're right. I was mainly approaching it from the protection angle. Either way one looks at it, I don't really see a Dermott for Driedger trade happening for a couple of reasons. Trading away Lehtonen and Dermott depletes the defensive depth (unless an expansion eligible option is acquired in return) and acquiring Driedger means either not being able to re-sign him until after the expansion draft, and assuming the risks that go with that, or exposing Campbell.
 
SprDaVE said:
It's quite a bit of an exaggeration to say he'd be insane not to make a goaltender trade. If Andersen is healthy, then a top 3 of Campbell, Andersen and Hutchinson is more than adequate. We don't have a boat load of cap space to have 3 goaltenders on the roster, plus another on the taxi squad.

Nobody has 3 #1 goaltenders ready to go at all times.
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exactly. but you do need at least one #1 if you want to win in the playoffs. we have a small window to get that insurance, and hutch is not an option.
 
Kiwi said:
Then we're going to need another defenseman because we just traded our #7D
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Dermott is our #6 defenseman. Possibly even #5 considering he is the guy who goes up if there is an injury. If they plan on protecting Holl and exposing Dermott, and they find a guy who can replace Dermott in our top 6 (i.e. Mike Reilly from Ottawa), then they may consider moving him though.

If we did Driedger + 2021 3rd for Dermott and then got Reilly (who does not need quarantine) for a prospect + 2021 5th round pick, we would have a higher pick, a guy who can replace Dermott for this year, and a cheap goalie to pair with Campbell.

We can still get a depth defenseman like Hakanpaa to be another extra alongside Marincin, Sandin, and Liljegren. We can even re-sign Hakanpaa to expose to expansion since we will need a guy if we move Dermott.
 
Buds17 said:
The games played requirement! You're right. I was mainly approaching it from the protection angle. Either way one looks at it, I don't really see a Dermott for Driedger trade happening for a couple of reasons. Trading away Lehtonen and Dermott depletes the defensive depth (unless an expansion eligible option is acquired in return) and acquiring Driedger means either not being able to re-sign him until after the expansion draft, and assuming the risks that go with that, or exposing Campbell.
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Well we are not getting a goalie with term so that is a problem for anyone we get (Ullmark, Raanta, etc.).
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Well we are not getting a goalie with term so that is a problem for anyone we get (Ullmark, Raanta, etc.).
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That's fair. I suppose making a trade with Florida could be different from dealing with Buffalo or Arizona though. Due to the current race for playoff positions, a trade with Florida might be a hockey trade and a trade with Buffalo (and possibly Arizona) should be more of a buyer and seller trade. I'm of the opinion that adding a pending UFA arguably becomes tougher if the subtraction comes from the NHL team.
 
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BrannigansLaw said:
Watching the Habs game and during the first intermission LeBrun said the Leafs are comfortable with their situation and aren’t making it a priority to find another goalie.
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Hopefully this means Campbell is healthy and they love him and Andersen can be a good backup in spot duty.
 
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It would be a done deal then if Andersen finishes the season as the backup that he has 0% chance of coming back next season right?

I wish our cap situation allowed for Rakell, he would be awesome for us.

Based on how the team played vs the Jets on Wednesday, what more do we need really? I am sure there are moves that could improve the team, but what is the cost? We don't have a lot of D depth to move out as many of you have stated.

If the goalies are 'healthy', no move happening there. So a winger I suppose but none of them blow me away. Is Iafalo better than what we already have? I haven't seen many Kings games this season.

I think its going to be a quiet April 12th... the tv shows should be... interesting.
 
There's a non-insignificant chance Driedger ends up the best out of him Bob and Knight. He's my preferred off-season target and I wouldn't be opposed to scooping him up early as Florida is somewhere Andersen would likely waive to go for a few months.
 
Odds are that whoever is in net for us is going to get run now that teams know how fragile both guys are.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Dermott is our #6 defenseman. Possibly even #5 considering he is the guy who goes up if there is an injury. If they plan on protecting Holl and exposing Dermott, and they find a guy who can replace Dermott in our top 6 (i.e. Mike Reilly from Ottawa), then they may consider moving him though.

If we did Driedger + 2021 3rd for Dermott and then got Reilly (who does not need quarantine) for a prospect + 2021 5th round pick, we would have a higher pick, a guy who can replace Dermott for this year, and a cheap goalie to pair with Campbell.

We can still get a depth defenseman like Hakanpaa to be another extra alongside Marincin, Sandin, and Liljegren. We can even re-sign Hakanpaa to expose to expansion since we will need a guy if we move Dermott.
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Why is a team in our division next season trading us a potential starting goaltender and a 3rd for Dermott? Who's basically been stapled to the 3rd pair, I'm not Florida's GM but I doubt that's the best offer he's going to see

I like the idea about adding Reilly for insurance however

stickty111 said:
Just a note. Elliotte will be on Leafs report next week so should be some interesting info there.
There wasn't much in this week's podcast.
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It wasn't exactly informative, Colaiacovo seems like a good dude but that was a boring Leafs report

LeafChief said:
Damn. I was going to listen to it tomorrow. Should I skip? I saw Colaiacovo is on it so I imagine the content wasn't exactly groundbreaking.
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Depends, you won't learn anything interesting but if you don't mind Carlo it's an easy way to kill 50 minutes
 
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Kiwi said:
Why is a team in our division next season trading us a potential starting goaltender and a 3rd for Dermott? Who's basically been stapled to the 3rd pair, I'm not Florida's GM but I doubt that's the best offer he's going to see
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Driedger is a pending UFA. The whole premise of them wanting to move him (and this is the only reason I can see them moving him) is to get the recently signed Spencer Knight an opportunity right away.

They likely can't afford to have a ~3 mill backup, which is what Driedger likely gets on the open market, when they have a 10 mill Bobrovsky. They are already a budget team as it is.

Dermott gives them another quality defenseman, which they need more than ever with Ekblad hurt, and they have had known interest in him. However since Dermott is not a goalie rental and still has upside to be something fairly high quality, Florida is not getting him for Driedger straight up. Hence Driedger + a late 3rd, which is actually a generous discount for someone like Dermott. Leafs could easily ask for Driedger and Florida's 2nd round pick, which is likely going to be outside of the top 50 anyways. Driedger, at best, is worth a late 3rd round pick straight up.

I don't think a late 2nd and late 3rd (or two late 3rds as I originally valued him) is unreasonable for Dermott, even with expansion coming up. Maybe we toss in a late pick or a prospect in the former case.
 
Phili has back to back games next week against Boston and hopefully they fall to them & finally become sellers. Leafs then could make a move for Laughton & Vatanen retained (Vatanen retained twice). I know Vatanen isn't the big heavy defenseman you'd want the Leafs to add for a playoff push, he's the opposite of Oleksiak physically, but he is a very good defenseman that's available & likely has trade value at an all time low; he can also play both left and right side which is uncommon for a RHD, and has experience playing top 4 20+ minutes for almost his entire career. He could come in as an immediate upgrade to Dermott & is another PP & PK option, better shot than Brodie & Rielly from the point. Laughton too can play all 3 forwards positions.

Neither should be too costly. Hyman sticks with HEM line but still gets played extra wherever Keefe needs him.

Laughton - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman
Simmonds - Kerfoot - Spezza
Thornton

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Vatanen - Bogosian
Dermott

Campbell
Andersen

Edit: same team another D with a lower cap hit is Kulikov, he too can play both sides & has lots of top 4 20+ minutes experience. They could potentially fit Laughton (@50%), Kulikov (@25%), & Dreidger (@50%) too if they wanted some goalie insurance; he'd be a possible tandem partner to Campbell next season as well if they were to resign him.
 
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123offtheglass said:
Phili has back to back games next week against Boston and hopefully they fall to them & finally become sellers. Leafs then could make a move for Laughton & Vatanen retained (Vatanen retained twice). I know Vatanen isn't the big heavy defenseman you'd want the Leafs to add for a playoff push, he's the opposite of Oleksiak physically, but he is a very good defenseman that's available & likely has trade value at an all time low; he can also play both left and right side which is uncommon for a RHD, and has experience playing top 4 20+ minutes for almost his entire career. He could come in as an immediate upgrade to Dermott & is another PP & PK option, better shot than Brodie & Rielly from the point. Laughton too can play all 3 forwards positions.

Neither should be too costly. Hyman sticks with HEM line but still gets played extra wherever Keefe needs him.

Laughton - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman
Simmonds - Kerfoot - Spezza
Thornton

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Vatanen - Bogosian
Dermott

Campbell
Andersen

Edit: same team another D with a lower cap hit is Kulikov, he too can play both sides & has lots of top 4 20+ minutes experience. They could potentially fit Laughton (@50%), Kulikov (@25%), & Dreidger (@50%) too if they wanted some goalie insurance; he'd be a possible tandem partner to Campbell next season as well if they were to resign him.
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Dermott is better than Vatanen defensively and your also playing him on his off side.

Vatanen was a pretty good two-way dman but he isnt that anymore, now hes pretty much all offense, no defense.
 
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