Trades and Free Agency Thread - Push all the chips in?

[ToneDog]

If it means playing him on the bottom pair or moving Muzzin down it weakens our lineup. Less playing time for the players that we need on the ice.

Unless Muzzin or Ekholm are willing to play the right side which I dont think is possible. Its a bad trade.

I just wouldnt trade Sandin for Ekholm to have him play 3rd pairing minutes and stunting the growth of Dermott whom overall has been playing well in the 3rd LH defenseman slot.

Muzzin and Holl led the Leafs D with 25+ minutes last game. Brodie and Rielly played less than 20 each. If anything we need to throttle Muzzin's minutes down and Dermott (with his 9+ minutes last game) might not be the guy to allow it.

 

[BlueForever75]

Agreed. If we were to acquire Ekholm, he’d be our best defenceman. That’s how good he is.

So your willing then to state that Ekholm is better then Reilly, Brodie and Muzzin?

So it bumps those 3 down meaning less playing time as they get moved down.

Everyone on this board that is crapping on Reilly are the same people that run good players out of town. Look at Gardiner, playing 15-16 min a game when in lineup for Carolina that has a great D. They found a place for him and hes doing well.

Understand Ekholm is doing as good as he is playing in a system with Nashville that doesnt expose their D or goalies. Muzzin came over here with the same credentials playing in a similar system. Now Muzzin is playing for Leafs, and although he is one of our better D. His flaws have been exposed as they never were in LA. Same thing will happen to Ekholm, and we will deal Sandin for him. Sandin will prosper into the next best thing and all you fans will say how bad of a trade it was.

Unless the Leafs play Pat Burns type hockey where average dmen are made into shutdown stars. Any dman that comes to Toronto will be exposed and be average at best defensively. Its the style we play for the players we have. Get used to it.

 

[ToneDog]

So your willing then to state that Ekholm is better then Reilly, Brodie and Muzzin?

So it bumps those 3 down meaning less playing time as they get moved down.

Everyone on this board that is crapping on Reilly are the same people that run good players out of town. Look at Gardiner, playing 15-16 min a game when in lineup for Carolina that has a great D. They found a place for him and hes doing well.

Understand Ekholm is doing as good as he is playing in a system with Nashville that doesnt expose their D or goalies. Muzzin came over here with the same credentials playing in a similar system. Now Muzzin is playing for Leafs, and although he is one of our better D. His flaws have been exposed as they never were in LA. Same thing will happen to Ekholm, and we will deal Sandin for him. Sandin will prosper into the next best thing and all you fans will say how bad of a trade it was.

Unless the Leafs play Pat Burns type hockey where average dmen are made into shutdown stars. Any dman that comes to Toronto will be exposed and be average at best defensively. Its the style we play for the players we have. Get used to it.

I get not wanting to lose Sandin but I do not understand your position
if Ekholm is better than most if not all of our current dmen.

 

[123offtheglass]

End of the day Ekholm is a stud that would make our D-corpse absolutely stacked; the opposition could never find an easy matchup or miss match.

That was a nightmare for Pittsburgh against Nashville in the cup finals when they had Josi, Ellis, Ekholm & Subban playing almost the entire game; they very rarely had their bottom 2 D on the ice together, when healthy we never would. When healthy we'd never have to play any of them when dead tired or fatigued; that's gonna increase efficiency, reduce fatigue series to series, and have a better lineup throughout any injuries.

You put Ekholm on the right side the odd shift he's not going to turn into Martin Marincin he's still going to be a stud.

 

[TMLAM34]

So your willing then to state that Ekholm is better then Reilly, Brodie and Muzzin?

So it bumps those 3 down meaning less playing time as they get moved down.

Everyone on this board that is crapping on Reilly are the same people that run good players out of town. Look at Gardiner, playing 15-16 min a game when in lineup for Carolina that has a great D. They found a place for him and hes doing well.

Understand Ekholm is doing as good as he is playing in a system with Nashville that doesnt expose their D or goalies. Muzzin came over here with the same credentials playing in a similar system. Now Muzzin is playing for Leafs, and although he is one of our better D. His flaws have been exposed as they never were in LA. Same thing will happen to Ekholm, and we will deal Sandin for him. Sandin will prosper into the next best thing and all you fans will say how bad of a trade it was.

Unless the Leafs play Pat Burns type hockey where average dmen are made into shutdown stars. Any dman that comes to Toronto will be exposed and be average at best defensively. Its the style we play for the players we have. Get used to it.

As an overall defenceman, yes Ekholm is better than Rielly. Ekholm is also better than Brodie and definitely better than Muzzin. Have you actually watched Ekholm play?

 

[Cor]

The Quick thing is kinda funny.

Looking at the numbers comparison between Quick and Freddy. All Situations. Score + Venue Adjust.

Here are the numbers with no adjust.

That puts it into context pretty well. Whatever your thoughts on Jonathan Quick are, over this season and last, should be the same for Freddy. They essentially have the same numbers.

 

[Fogelhund]

If it means playing him on the bottom pair or moving Muzzin down it weakens our lineup. Less playing time for the players that we need on the ice.

Unless Muzzin or Ekholm are willing to play the right side which I dont think is possible. Its a bad trade.

I just wouldnt trade Sandin for Ekholm to have him play 3rd pairing minutes and stunting the growth of Dermott whom overall has been playing well in the 3rd LH defenseman slot.

So if Ekholm is BETTER than Muzzin, and pushes him down, it "weakens" our lineup? Having a better d man, playing more time, weakens our lineup?

 

[123offtheglass]

Bobby Ryan too wouldn't be a bad fit if we went big on Ekholm & had almost no cap space for a forward. Big body, physical & not afraid to drop the mitts, good character (2020 Bill Masteron Trophy winner), has some skill, can shoot the biscuit, plays both wings, not soft skill he's hard on the puck, he's a good fit for what was described by Dubas as the top 7 forward but on the low end. He's kind of like a thrift store or Wallmart-Filip Forsberg. Worth a mid round pick than nothing at all.

 

[TMLAM34]

Not sure why people want Bobby Ryan when we have the same shit in Galchenyuk and don’t have to give up a pick to acquire him.

If we’re not adding a legitimate improvement upfront then I’m ok if we settle for someone like Grant for the 4th line and PK.

Then focus on upgrading the blue line from Dermott. Ekholm would be ideal if it doesn’t require giving up either Sandin or Robertson. Another option that wouldn’t cost nearly as much but would add a nice element to the bottom pair is Oleksiak.

 

[hockeynorth]

Grant is not good

 

[Faltorvo]

I am quite concerned we are going to lose Travis Boyd today.

I know he's not a player to be concerned over losing, but our center depth, just isn't that strong, and Boyd is better than Adam Brooks, who would essentially be the next guy up.

I know we do have Matthews, Tavares, Engvall, Kerfoot and Spezza, (and technically Nylander and Thornton, though I don't think either should) but, it's nice having Boyd as depth. He was a guy I wouldn't have minded extending for another year at the minimum.

Center depth is more then just names on a list

Thornton at C? sure,,, but only on the 4th line
Engvall,,,3rd/4th line only,,,,,his 25 ish NHL games at C is concerning
Matty/JT 1/2 either or
Spezz,,,4th line and desperation 3rd line
Nylander play C in the POs?? LMFAO nooooo thanks
Kerf 3rd C and if he has to 2nd C in the POs,,gawd help us,,,he has what? 65 nhl games at C?

i think we need to add someone that can fill 2 C and not turn it into a tire fire,,That's why Eric Staal is my only forward want.

ATM i don't like or feel safe with any of our current options IF one of the big 2 Cs goes down.

 

[123offtheglass]

Grant is not good

Good role player & 4th liner but his contract is pretty meh and I doubt he'd really fit our system; he'd be nice add for our pk & centre depth but not worth it in my mind. We don't really have 4th line caliber players in our top 12 forwards, neither does Tampa & some contenders.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Now is the time for Dubas to make moves due to a break in the schedule and the 2 week quarantine for players in the U.S.

In order of priority (in my opinion):

-A quality goaltender for added depth in case Campbell gets injured again

-A gritty top 9 forward rental that won't cost us any of our top prospects

-A veteran depth defenceman in case of injuries on the blueline

 

[Gallagbi]

So your willing then to state that Ekholm is better then Reilly, Brodie and Muzzin?

So it bumps those 3 down meaning less playing time as they get moved down.

Everyone on this board that is crapping on Reilly are the same people that run good players out of town. Look at Gardiner, playing 15-16 min a game when in lineup for Carolina that has a great D. They found a place for him and hes doing well.

Understand Ekholm is doing as good as he is playing in a system with Nashville that doesnt expose their D or goalies. Muzzin came over here with the same credentials playing in a similar system. Now Muzzin is playing for Leafs, and although he is one of our better D. His flaws have been exposed as they never were in LA. Same thing will happen to Ekholm, and we will deal Sandin for him. Sandin will prosper into the next best thing and all you fans will say how bad of a trade it was.

Unless the Leafs play Pat Burns type hockey where average dmen are made into shutdown stars. Any dman that comes to Toronto will be exposed and be average at best defensively. Its the style we play for the players we have. Get used to it.

Keep in mind that part of the reason you acquire a guy like Ekholm is to create depth. Muzzin's injury last year made for some major issues with Dermott having limited abilities up in the lineup and the team (questionably) inserting Marincin.

We weren't from having 4 top 4D, some of which with limited abilities to 2.5 after the Muzzin and Barrie injuries.

This trade would give you an entire top 6 capable of playing in the top 4, with both PK and PP options.

If we go on a run, we're likely to have a banged up or outright injured D.

 

[Cor]

*eye emoji*

 

[123offtheglass]

I am quite concerned we are going to lose Travis Boyd today.

I know he's not a player to be concerned over losing, but our center depth, just isn't that strong, and Boyd is better than Adam Brooks, who would essentially be the next guy up.

I know we do have Matthews, Tavares, Engvall, Kerfoot and Spezza, (and technically Nylander and Thornton, though I don't think either should) but, it's nice having Boyd as depth. He was a guy I wouldn't have minded extending for another year at the minimum.

Center depth is more then just names on a list

Thornton at C? sure,,, but only on the 4th line
Engvall,,,3rd/4th line only,,,,,his 25 ish NHL games at C is concerning
Matty/JT 1/2 either or
Spezz,,,4th line and desperation 3rd line
Nylander play C in the POs?? LMFAO nooooo thanks
Kerf 3rd C and if he has to 2nd C in the POs,,gawd help us,,,he has what? 65 nhl games at C?

i think we need to add someone that can fill 2 C and not turn it into a tire fire,,That's why Eric Staal is my only forward want.

ATM i don't like or feel safe with any of our current options IF one of the big 2 Cs goes down.

No team is flawless and any team takes a hard hit when one of their top 2C go down, especially one of Matthews or Tavares's caliber. Very few teams around the league would have better center depth than us; we're head and shoulders above Vegas in that regard. I'd rather play Boyd at 3C if it meant we could have Ekholm on D or Rakell in our top 6.

As for center depth currently there's:
1. Matthews
2. Tavares
3. Engvall
4. Kerfoot
5. Boyd
6. Brooks
7. Kossila

Wingers with a large amount of centre experience:
1. Spezza
2. Thornton

Wingers that can player Centre:
1. Nylander
2. Galchenyuk
3. Malgin (loaned but will be back)
4. Gaudet (currently on AHL contract)
5. Petan
6. Robertson
7. Hallander (loaned but will be back)
8. SDA (loaned but will be back)

 

[Faltorvo]

I personally want no part of Ekholm or Ryan. Would rather have Dermott and Gally in lineup.

We need role a role player up front or a true top 6 forward. One or the other. Ryan plays no role. He's horrible defensively, and takes too many nights off.

Ekholm surplants Dermott and that to me is non-starter unless its part of a bigger deal with Nashville where Dermott goes the other way as part of a package to allow us to acquire either Granlund or Forsbert as well.

But Ryan and Ekholm as acquisitions does nothing for the Leafs.

You sound crazy or very ill informed about the NHL

Ekholm would be the most effective , impactful TD get in my 48 years of following this team

Given the path to the final 4 and the need for quality PO D depth (that quality starts with Dermott as 1rst out of the press box)
Reports are Ekholm has played on the right side and did just fine

Rielly-Brodi
Muzz-Holl

ANY of those 4 going down and Ekholm can fill that slot

a 3rd pair of Ekholm-Bogo IN THE POs is insanly good,,,,hell,,,,,, lots of teams would be perfectly happy if that was their 2nd pair.

PK
Ekholm-Brodi
Muzz-Holl

yes please

In Ekholn you turn your 3rd pair into a soild 2nd pair,,you gain a #1 left side PK specialist and a super Swedish army knife ,,he can fill for ANY injured top 4

 

[hockeynorth]

*eye emoji*

why call up Scott

 

[Knies iT]

The Quick thing is kinda funny.

Looking at the numbers comparison between Quick and Freddy. All Situations. Score + Venue Adjust.

Here are the numbers with no adjust.

That puts it into context pretty well. Whatever your thoughts on Jonathan Quick are, over this season and last, should be the same for Freddy. They essentially have the same numbers.

Which is precisely why it could be a worthwhile option. Quick’s term and age would imply negative value, arguably even with retention. Andersen’s league wide value is obviously in decline, but I have no doubt he still has positive value as a rental. If you can make that swap - or involve a third team to ship Fred - and walk away with a net gain in assets (likely picks + added cap space for a forward add), its not a bad idea. Their team situations are not remotely comparable and Andersen is imploding on a top 10-15 defense.

Id rather gamble on an over the hill Quick in the playoffs than Andersen.

 

[123offtheglass]

 

[hockeynorth]

vancouver snagging all our boys

 

[Gallagbi]

why call up Scott

I assumed it was to get some practice reps without disturbing the Marlies flow.

 

[TMLAM34]

LOL, Vansewer

 

[Faltorvo]

I get not wanting to lose Sandin but I do not understand your position
if Ekholm is better than most if not all of our current dmen.

I think we are missing the point

He is going over board to keep Sandin

Frankly, i don't trade Sandin for Ekholm,,no matter how badly i want him.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I assumed it was to get some practice reps without disturbing the Marlies flow.

It's good that he is finally healthy.