Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[andora]

Post #1395

No sweat thanks.. i saw it earlier and good stuff

I just found the page number thing weird

 

[Fogelhund]

No sweat thanks.. i saw it earlier and good stuff

I just found the page number thing weird

Ya. Didn’t realize it would show different, for different people. Cheers.

 

[notdoneyet]

Based on what? Please provide the data to support this.

Well everyone knows they have the easier matchups. MMB always have the other teams best

Just look at nylanders points. He has a great two months point wise and then disappears for far too many games. His biggest criticism is his inconsistency.

Watch the game and it doesn’t take long to realize nylander and tavares don’t compliment one another

Some other stat guru can give the stats on their 5v5 play

 

[Fogelhund]

Well everyone knows they have the easier matchups. MMB always have the other teams best

Just look at nylanders points. He has a great two months point wise and then disappears for far too many games. His biggest criticism is his inconsistency.

Watch the game and it doesn’t take long to realize nylander and tavares don’t compliment one another

Some other stat guru can give the stats on their 5v5 play

I posted the stats already today. The stats disagree with your viewpoint.

 

[ULF_55]

Well everyone knows they have the easier matchups. MMB always have the other teams best

Wouldn't match ups change based on home and away, and icings and ...

I'd say when possible the last change should determine who the coach puts out.

 

[ULF_55]

I want to see marner - JT - nylander and Bunting-Matthews-Kerfoot

why? Just cus.

I want to see:

Douglas-Matthews-Nylander
Bunting-Kerfoot-marner
Holmberg-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Engvall-Kampf-Aube-Kubel

Then each of the double digits can carry a line.

 

[Voodoo Child]

I don’t know, Willy was still pretty consistent, but doesn’t have as many huge outbursts as Matthews and Marner. Matthews had eight games with 3+ points, Mitch had twelve(!). Willy had 2.

And playing with Tavares isn’t playing with Matthews. I think Bunting would be great with JT, and on the other side a bigger guy who can skate - Knies perhaps - or a guy like Josh Anderson?

It doesn’t have to start right away but I see no reason we can’t see more of Nylander-Matthews-Marner in the future.

 

[notdoneyet]

I don’t know, Willy was still pretty consistent, but doesn’t have as many huge outbursts as Matthews and Marner. Matthews had eight games with 3+ points, Mitch had twelve(!). Willy had 2.

And playing with Tavares isn’t playing with Matthews. I think Bunting would be great with JT, and on the other side a bigger guy who can skate - Knies perhaps - or a guy like Josh Anderson?

It doesn’t have to start right away but I see no reason we can’t see more of Nylander-Matthews-Marner in the future.

Nylander isn’t good enough defensively to be on that line. MM and AM
Would have to cover for his deficiencies and lose some of their offense.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

I don’t know, Willy was still pretty consistent, but doesn’t have as many huge outbursts as Matthews and Marner. Matthews had eight games with 3+ points, Mitch had twelve(!). Willy had 2.

And playing with Tavares isn’t playing with Matthews. I think Bunting would be great with JT, and on the other side a bigger guy who can skate - Knies perhaps - or a guy like Josh Anderson?

It doesn’t have to start right away but I see no reason we can’t see more of Nylander-Matthews-Marner in the future.

The good thing about the roster is they have a lot of guys who can move around. If the big 4 stay reasonably healthy they will make the playoffs and put themselves in a position to address a need at the deadline.

It's why they're genuinely better off just playing a bunch of Marlies and I'm happy they didn't go spend a bunch of money (3.5M+) on a winger, they just need one of Robertson/other marlies or even Knies later in the season to be a top nine "surprise" and they're all if a sudden a lot deeper and can be supplemented at the deadline.

Nylander isn’t good enough defensively to be on that line. MM and AM
Would have to cover for his deficiencies and lose some of their offense.

Willy's lack of defensive awareness is made up for his play in the neutral zone driving zone exits and entries, significantly driving play. The line with WN makes the first line the best in the league likely. They shattered shooting metrics in the *small sample size theyve played together frankly.

 

[andora]

The good thing about the roster is they have a lot of guys who can move around. If the big 4 stay reasonably healthy they will make the playoffs and put themselves in a position to address a need at the deadline.

It's why they're genuinely better off just playing a bunch of Marlies and I'm happy they didn't go spend a bunch of money (3.5M+) on a winger, they just need one of Robertson/other marlies or even Knies later in the season to be a top nine "surprise" and they're all if a sudden a lot deeper and can be supplemented at the deadline.



Willy's lack of defensive awareness is made up for his play in the neutral zone driving zone exits and entries, significantly driving play. The line with WN makes the first line the best in the league likely. They shattered shooting metrics in the *small sample size theyve played together frankly.

Interesting points

What were their defensive numbers together

 

[3blizzard4]

Is anyone getting a full screen “you are using an ad blocker” on HFBoards mobile (iOS) since yesterday? It get the full screen after every link clicked on HFBoards.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What were their defensive numbers together

The three of them together only played 50 minutes in specific situations, so sot super meaningful, but that line's on-ice 5v5 xGA/60 was 1.89, which is really good. Just Matthews-Marner was 1.84, so no significant difference. They had a crazy ridiculous 75% xGF% together.

 

[andora]

The three of them together only played 50 minutes in specific situations, so sot super meaningful, but that line's on-ice 5v5 xGA/60 was 1.89, which is really good. Just Matthews-Marner was 1.84, so no significant difference. They had a crazy ridiculous 75% xGF% together.

I ended up looking anyway - shots and chances were crazy good too. Impressive

 

[Sypher04]

When you say 56 do you mean of this thread?

Why would i be on 48

Your settings must have a different number of posts displayed per page

 

[Pinkcat]

Your settings must have a different number of posts displayed per page

You might be ignoring more posters and don't see them.

 

[Fogelhund]

Is anyone getting a full screen “you are using an ad blocker” on HFBoards mobile (iOS) since yesterday? It get the full screen after every link clicked on HFBoards.

No, Sorry.

 

[andora]

Is anyone getting a full screen “you are using an ad blocker” on HFBoards mobile (iOS) since yesterday? It get the full screen after every link clicked on HFBoards.

Yeah i had it.. using opera and it was blocking trackers

Your settings must have a different number of posts displayed per page

Would help ifni could find settings on mobile.. haha ty

You might be ignoring more posters and don't see them.

Good point

 

[ER89]

I ended up looking anyway - shots and chances were crazy good too. Impressive

When will the leafs learn to stack the lines and completely dominate the 20-22 minutes the top line plays?

Have 3 of our big four on one line - which 3? Idgaf.

I'd personally like to see MM-AM-WN or MM-JT-WN

 

[ACC1224]

You might be ignoring more posters and don't see them.

Use to do that but the site isn't set up well for that. You just end up seeing a bunch of posts that aren't quoted and make no sense.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Nice to see others smoking the same thing as me - not saying it needs to be a full time thing, but fifty minutes in a season, that’s about one shift per game. What coaching tactic is this?

It should be upped to 200 minutes a season and look at the results and go from there.

Look at Colorado,the guys who just won and who conveniently offer the best comparable. These are 5V5 numbers.

MacKinnon and Rantanen: 801:52 with, 122:51 away.
MacKinnon and Landeskog: 430:07 with, 155:24 away.
Landeskog and Rantanen: 548:13 with, 194:24 away.

Matthews and Marner: 747:43 with, 271:16 away
Matthews and Nylander: 251:33 with, 907:09 away (wtf?!)
Nylander and Marner: 75:03 with, 905:19 away(!)

You could argue that it was Makar that had the biggest impact on the Cup win, which is acceptable, but look at that spread. It almost seems like Willy’s being punished or something.

I don’t believe for a second that it’s some imposition to transfer Nylander to LW for a few extra shifts a game.

 

[VanW27]

I don’t know, Willy was still pretty consistent, but doesn’t have as many huge outbursts as Matthews and Marner. Matthews had eight games with 3+ points, Mitch had twelve(!). Willy had 2.

And playing with Tavares isn’t playing with Matthews. I think Bunting would be great with JT, and on the other side a bigger guy who can skate - Knies perhaps - or a guy like Josh Anderson?

It doesn’t have to start right away but I see no reason we can’t see more of Nylander-Matthews-Marner in the future.

Yeah, it's funny to hear people always harp on Nylander being inconsistent, I see the same thing: his production is extremely consistent, he puts up his 1 or 2 point a game, very few point slumps, but also very few 'big nights' (3, 4, 5 pts) like Marner/Matthews have.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nice to see others smoking the same thing as me - not saying it needs to be a full time thing, but fifty minutes in a season, that’s about one shift per game. What coaching tactic is this?

It should be upped to 200 minutes a season and look at the results and go from there.

Look at Colorado,the guys who just won and who conveniently offer the best comparable. These are 5V5 numbers.

MacKinnon and Rantanen: 801:52 with, 122:51 away.
MacKinnon and Landeskog: 430:07 with, 155:24 away.
Landeskog and Rantanen: 548:13 with, 194:24 away.

Matthews and Marner: 747:43 with, 271:16 away
Matthews and Nylander: 251:33 with, 907:09 away (wtf?!)
Nylander and Marner: 75:03 with, 905:19 away(!)

You could argue that it was Makar that had the biggest impact on the Cup win, which is acceptable, but look at that spread. It almost seems like Willy’s being punished or something.

I don’t believe for a second that it’s some imposition to transfer Nylander to LW for a few extra shifts a game.

I'd love to see Willy up with M&M once in a while, especially when they're down a goal. I think their reluctance is mainly because it would expose JT more.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yeah, it's funny to hear people always harp on Nylander being inconsistent, I see the same thing: his production is extremely consistent, he puts up his 1 or 2 point a game, very few point slumps, but also very few 'big nights' (3, 4, 5 pts) like Marner/Matthews have.

Matthews' longest drought this year was three pointless games at the start (2 points in 6 games). Other than that, four two-gamers.

Marner got 1 point in his first 7 games (first three games with JT). Other than that, four two-gamers.

Nylander went three games without a point four times, and two games twice more.

Tavares had one three-game and five two-games.

For comparison, McDavid had a three and three twos, while Gaudreau, after going pointless in four of his first five, didn't have a two-gamer after that. Huberdeau only has one two-gamer, but he went 8 goalless, and another time went 14 games with only one goal.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'd love to see Willy up with M&M once in a while, especially when they're down a goal. I think their reluctance is mainly because it would expose JT more.

They did... Columns don't align.. move everything in column titles over one to the right.

Line	Type	Minutes	Games	xGoals %	xGoals For	xGoals Against	xGoals For	xGoals Against	xNet Goals
Per 60 Minutes	Per 60 Minutes	Per 60 Minutes
	Marner-Matthews-Nylander	F	48.4	34	69.80%	4.4	1.9	5.45	2.36	3.09​

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I know it seems silly but I have this gut feeling our team is going to go really far this year. I have no data or stats to prove it, I just think our goalie tandem will surprise, and our defense will be rock solid. I also think a few Marlies really standout in camp and make a solid impact on the big club this season. Really looking forward to the season to see if I'm right or its just gas.