Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Fogelhund]

Just remember Brandan Bochenski having that good pre-season with Ottawa and flopped in regular season.

Between Malgin and Robertson, I am kinda inclined to go with Robertson although maybe JT's situation buys us time.

Of course, I’m going by Malgin’s season last year, which was good as well. He hasn’t come out of nowhere and suddenly performed.

I give Malgin an extended look, even if that sends Robertson to the Marlies, though with JT and Engvall out, they can both play.

My reasoning is simple, waivers. If we go with Robertson and send down Malgin, he gets claimed and we’ve lost him. If Robertson doesn’t stick on the roster, we can’t go back to Malgin. If we go with Malgin, maybe he’s good enough and stays. Robertson will still get his opportunity. If Malgin isn’t good enough, we still have Robertson to fall back on. It’s about asset management.

Among those on NHL waivers today: Seth Griffith (EDM), Nate Schnarr (MTL), Louis Domingue (NYR), Sean Day (TB), Michael Hutchinson (VGK), Ashton Sautner (WPG).

I wonder if anyone will make an exception claim on Day? We could always bring Hutch back too. I know, no contract space.

 

[Cor]

Mete is probably the only player I'd think it would be a shame to lose on waivers. He's depth they need to keep if they can. I'm guessing that he isn't getting waived any time soon with Liljegren injured, Muzzin's questionable health and Sandin being behind schedule for the season. He may even be in the lineup on opening night.

Given the Tavares injury, we should be able to keep Mete on the roster for a bit. Hopefully a few weeks into the season when teams have their rosters set, we can sneak him through.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Of course, I’m going by Malgin’s season last year, which was good as well. He hasn’t come out of nowhere and suddenly performed.

I give Malgin an extended look, even if that sends Robertson to the Marlies, though with JT and Engvall out, they can both play.

My reasoning is simple, waivers. If we go with Robertson and send down Malgin, he gets claimed and we’ve lost him. If Robertson doesn’t stick on the roster, we can’t go back to Malgin. If we go with Malgin, maybe he’s good enough and stays. Robertson will still get his opportunity. If Malgin isn’t good enough, we still have Robertson to fall back on. It’s about asset management.

Among those on NHL waivers today: Seth Griffith (EDM), Nate Schnarr (MTL), Louis Domingue (NYR), Sean Day (TB), Michael Hutchinson (VGK), Ashton Sautner (WPG).

I wonder if anyone will make an exception claim on Day? We could always bring Hutch back too. I know, no contract space.

Remember that if you claim someone, they have to be on the NHL roster.

None of these guys are NHL caliber players. Sean Day maybe garners some interest, but he still has a lot of holes in his game. Domingue and Hutchinson only make sense if you have some injuries or desperately need a backup, like ARI (which is why they claimed Johansson; Domingue and Hutchinson would arguably be better options though).

We need to open up contract space and we should be waiting for the last wave of cuts. That is when there may be a solid depth defenseman worth claiming, and that is the only need the Leafs have right now.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Of course, I’m going by Malgin’s season last year, which was good as well. He hasn’t come out of nowhere and suddenly performed.

I give Malgin an extended look, even if that sends Robertson to the Marlies, though with JT and Engvall out, they can both play.

My reasoning is simple, waivers. If we go with Robertson and send down Malgin, he gets claimed and we’ve lost him. If Robertson doesn’t stick on the roster, we can’t go back to Malgin. If we go with Malgin, maybe he’s good enough and stays. Robertson will still get his opportunity. If Malgin isn’t good enough, we still have Robertson to fall back on. It’s about asset management.

Among those on NHL waivers today: Seth Griffith (EDM), Nate Schnarr (MTL), Louis Domingue (NYR), Sean Day (TB), Michael Hutchinson (VGK), Ashton Sautner (WPG).

I wonder if anyone will make an exception claim on Day? We could always bring Hutch back too. I know, no contract space.

Kinda hope someone takes Joey Anderson from us or some other forward so we can a spot.

 

[ACC1224]

Kinda hope someone takes Joey Anderson from us or some other forward so we can a spot.

You’d have to think they’ll lose a couple players.

 

[WTFMAN99]

You’d have to think they’ll lose a couple players.

Won't cry if Andersn or Gaudette go.

Organization looks deep.

 

[Mess]

TSN insiders Deger and Lebrun on That's hockey the other day were saying Dubas with all the Leaf injuries in D was looking around the league for Dmen on PTO to potentially sign and then you see Canes inking their PTO player.. Wonder if he was one of those players the Leafs had interest in.

 

[andora]

TSN insiders Deger and Lebrun on That's hockey the other day were saying Dubas with all the Leaf injuries in D was looking around the league for Dmen on PTO to potentially sign and then you see Canes inking their PTO player.. Wonder if he was one of those players the Leafs had interest in.

In all their wisdom did they mention it would be the 50th contract?

 

[zeke]

TSN insiders Deger and Lebrun on That's hockey the other day were saying Dubas with all the Leaf injuries in D was looking around the league for Dmen on PTO to potentially sign and then you see Canes inking their PTO player.. Wonder if he was one of those players the Leafs had interest in.

Interesting that that great Carolina dcorps needs ptos to fill out their starting lineup.

 

[Menzinger]

I would disagree and say we could really use a D upgrade with the intention of having a player who has the upside to eclipse Rielly and also bridge the Muzzin/Brodie contracts running out... but not sure if it's Chychrun himself.

He's an athletic beast with a lot of offensive upside, physicality, etc. But he's also the product of a terrible program and always hurt.

Thing is though, the biggest strength of Chychrun is his ability to be an offensive driver. Which is something the team doesn't need from the backend anymkre. Rielly just signed long term and is going to be given that role for the for foreseeable future (then you've got the younger guys like Sandin where this is also their strength) and Then you've got the big three forwards who will always eat up the prime PP opportunities too

It's not so much that there's no use for him - there is - it's just not imo worth the price to pay for him. If the team were to add another D I'd prefer another Brodie type - a safe minute munching guy whose likely more affordable than Chychrun who the Coyotes are likely going to want to use to springboard their rebuild from his trade return

 

[Menzinger]

At this point, Anderson they don't care about. Malgin I think they do. Just my opinion.

I actually like Anderson quote a bit. But I'd say at this point the Leafs coaches don't seem to be fans. Id expect him to be back in the AHL. I think Steeves has leapfrogged him in terms of organizational hierarchy for opportunity

 

[jiggy35]

Engvall + Holl for 2nd + 3rd + Little LTIR

Leafs: gets under cap w 2 roster extras, clears contract space

Zona: real money spent lower, recoups their assets at deadline anyways

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Malgin
Robertson - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - NAK
Simmonds

Muzzin - Rielly
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Liljegren
Mete

Murray/Samsonov

 

[andora]

Engvall + Holl for 2nd + 3rd + Little LTIR

Leafs: gets under cap w 2 roster extras, clears contract space

Zona: real money spent lower, recoups their assets at deadline anyways

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Malgin
Robertson - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - NAK
Simmonds

Muzzin - Rielly
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Liljegren
Mete

Murray/Samsonov

And if malgin burns?

 

[Fogelhund]

I actually like Anderson quote a bit. But I'd say at this point the Leafs coaches don't seem to be fans. Id expect him to be back in the AHL. I think Steeves has leapfrogged him in terms of organizational hierarchy for opportunity

If he passes through waivers...

 

[uncleben]

And if malgin burns?

What if?

What if Robertson burns? What if NAK shits the bed? What if Matthews has a career worst year?


If Malgin burns, we play any one of the guys he seemingly beat out
Holmberg, Steeves, Anderson, McMann, Simmonds, Clifford

 

[andora]

What if?

What if Robertson burns? What if NAK shits the bed? What if Matthews has a career worst year?


If Malgin burns, we play any one of the guys he seemingly beat out
Holmberg, Steeves, Anderson, McMann, Simmonds, Clifford

My point kind of was i think it is fair to know what we have in engvall as a solid player

Its been an exciting camp for our young guys.. but it is not time to just throw sure thing players aside because of it

Atleast in my opinion

 

[Fogelhund]

My point kind of was i think it is fair to know what we have in engvall as a solid player

Its been an exciting camp for our young guys.. but it is not time to just throw sure thing players aside because of it

Atleast in my opinion

Engvall isn’t going anywhere and I highly doubt he is being considered to move for now. If our young guys excel this year, he’ll just go to UFA and sign elsewhere.

 

[Nylander88]

I actually like Anderson quote a bit. But I'd say at this point the Leafs coaches don't seem to be fans. Id expect him to be back in the AHL. I think Steeves has leapfrogged him in terms of organizational hierarchy for opportunity

Id argue that McMann & Holmberg have both leapfrogged him as well.

 

[aingefan]

The easiest answer for clearing cap is Kerfoot, you can keep a bunch of guys if you move him. Not sure it’s necessary.

I wish JoeyA had stood out abit more. In my views, he hasn’t looked bad in any of his showings, but he hasnt looked better than anyone else. He might even clear waivers. If he does, great; if not, stuff happens.

I’m glad for Malgin having a nice camp.

Marlies should be set up for a good developmental year with players who can slot up and down the lineup.

 

[jiggy35]

I agree Kerfoot is the other option. But the issue is who is 3rd line C that is capable of driving offence?

As for Malgin burning, see other guy’s response. He’s done everything he can to get a spot. Lots of fwds having great camps. If Malgin burns, why can’t any of the marlies fill Engvall’s role? I like the guy but the cap crunch is real and he isn’t a difference maker, I havnt exactly missed him in training camp this year.

With my zona deal, could circle back at the tdl and get them retained for the playoff push? Or someone else to solidify roster again if Malgin/Robertson disappoint.

 

[andora]

As for Malgin burning, see other guy’s response. He’s done everything he can to get a spot. Lots of fwds having great camps.

It seems potentially destructive to move a sure thing so a non sure thing to play and then fall back on, well we can just go back out and get anogher sure thing later.

Seems premature

 

[ULF_55]

Id argue that McMann & Holmberg have both leapfrogged him as well.

McMann plays like he wants a job and knows what effort and action is required to get that job.

Skating, forechecking and being physical.
Brings some size with it.
I don't think he makes it to start the season.

 

[Stephen]

Thing is though, the biggest strength of Chychrun is his ability to be an offensive driver. Which is something the team doesn't need from the backend anymkre. Rielly just signed long term and is going to be given that role for the for foreseeable future (then you've got the younger guys like Sandin where this is also their strength) and Then you've got the big three forwards who will always eat up the prime PP opportunities too

It's not so much that there's no use for him - there is - it's just not imo worth the price to pay for him. If the team were to add another D I'd prefer another Brodie type - a safe minute munching guy whose likely more affordable than Chychrun who the Coyotes are likely going to want to use to springboard their rebuild from his trade return

Broadly speaking I think there's an argument to be made that the Leafs could be better offensively from the back end. Probably why they are interested in experimenting with RHD Mitch Marner in some facilitating, maybe positionless overload play. Colorado's offense was really supercharged with guys like Toews, Girard, Byram chipping in beyond Makar, for example.

Again, not sure if Chychrun is that guy. He does have an excellent point shot which the Leafs have been missing for a long time, but agree with you what is the acquisition cost?

 

[ULF_55]

Broadly speaking I think there's an argument to be made that the Leafs could be better offensively from the back end. Probably why they are interested in experimenting with RHD Mitch Marner in some facilitating, maybe positionless overload play. Colorado's offense was really supercharged with guys like Toews, Girard, Byram chipping in beyond Makar, for example.

Again, not sure if Chychrun is that guy. He does have an excellent point shot which the Leafs have been missing for a long time, but agree with you what is the acquisition cost?

I would not be surprised there is some offensive growth coming from both Liljegren and Sandin.

Liljegren showed me a much better offensive game than I expected. Perhaps because he's been concentrating on defense?