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Stephen said:
Yeah, not saying Kerfoot is perfect by any stretch but as most of the UFA options have been scooped up by now there aren’t a multitude of cheaper, better options anymore.
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Like I suggested, Arizona would be a great option. They are pretty devoid of talent, he wouldn't cost them much, and they could turn around at the deadline, and get a decent return on him in all likelihood. He should net them a better deadline return, than any other UFA out there right now... and they'd only have to fork out $750k, which helps in their situation.
 
Americanadian said:
If that’s all ERod could fetch on the open market it’s not a good sign for moving Kerfoot. He’s most likely a neutral asset at this point.
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Kerfoot is a top notch PKer and was much better at ES last year. Rodrigues had a ton of PP time and still had fewer points overall than Kerfoot had ES points. Rodrigues is not a great defensive player and while he occasionally PK's, he is not trusted with full time opportunities there.

Rodrigues is a solid depth scorer coming off of a career year and his career year was mostly defined by a very impressive stretch of 30 points in the first half, but only 13 points in the second half.

That first half makes him an intriguing bet, and is the main reason why he got a 2 mill deal in the first place, but for much of his NHL career, his performances have been more similar to the latter half of last year. That is probably why he was not getting much interest. He is 29 and he has played like a league minimum player or worse for much of his career.

Kerfoot is closer to guys like Mikheyev and Lehkonen, who received 4 x 4.75 and 5 x 4.5 deals respectively, than he is to a guy like Rodrigues. For a long time, I could have signed Stastny, Kessel, Heinen, etc. for less than Rodrigues got and those guys could arguably put up more points than Rodrigues.

From Colorado's perspective though, they needed someone who could play middle 6 center. Rodrigues is far from the best option to do that, but he was really their only option short of trading for a guy like Kerfoot. Even if Newhook takes a major step forward, they will likely need to get a major piece at the TDL if they want to be competitive again.

Colorado would have been a good fit for Kerfoot, but there are still other teams and unless they really like Milano (who is a very different type of player), then nobody really comes close to bringing what Kerfoot brings to the table.
 
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Americanadian said:
Which teams can take his 3.5M that would want to right now? Keep in mind he has a 10 team NTC.
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Winnipeg and Dallas (Dallas needs to sign Robertson, but Khudobin will likely be on LTIR the entire year too so they could have enough room for both Robertson and Kerfoot). Minnesota may also still make sense, but they may also just keep with what they have.

Then, of course, you could also move Holl, who has a different market altogether.

That also does not include soft dumps for less than market value if we are really desperate, and that works against Sandin more than anyone else.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Kerfoot is a top notch PKer and was much better at ES last year. Rodrigues had a ton of PP time and still had fewer points overall than Kerfoot had ES points. Rodrigues is not a great defensive player and while he occasionally PK's, he is not trusted with full time opportunities there.

Rodrigues is a solid depth scorer coming off of a career year and his career year was mostly defined by a very impressive stretch of 30 points in the first half, but only 13 points in the second half.

That first half makes him an intriguing bet, and is the main reason why he got a 2 mill deal in the first place, but for much of his NHL career, his performances have been more similar to the latter half of last year. That is probably why he was not getting much interest. He is 29 and he has played like a league minimum player or worse for much of his career.

Kerfoot is closer to guys like Mikheyev and Lehkonen, who received 4 x 4.75 and 5 x 4.5 deals respectively, than he is to a guy like Rodrigues. For a long time, I could have signed Stastny, Kessel, Heinen, etc. for less than Rodrigues got and those guys could arguably put up more points than Rodrigues.

From Colorado's perspective though, they needed someone who could play middle 6 center. Rodrigues is far from the best option to do that, but he was really their only option short of trading for a guy like Kerfoot. Even if Newhook takes a major step forward, they will likely need to get a major piece at the TDL if they want to be competitive again.

Colorado would have been a good fit for Kerfoot, but there are still other teams and unless they really like Milano (who is a very different type of player), then nobody really comes close to bringing what Kerfoot brings to the table.
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I just wholly disagree that Kerfoot is better than Rodrigues. Kerfoot didn't take full time PK duties until this past season and his results weren't good. His SHD GAR is negative whereas Rodrigues has put up positive SHD GAR the last two seasons. Kerfoot was definitely better offensively at even strength but he was much worse defensively. If Kerfoot gets anywhere above 4M on his next deal I will be shocked.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Winnipeg and Dallas (Dallas needs to sign Robertson, but Khudobin will likely be on LTIR the entire year too so they could have enough room for both Robertson and Kerfoot). Minnesota may also still make sense, but they may also just keep with what they have.

Then, of course, you could also move Holl, who has a different market altogether.

That also does not include soft dumps for less than market value if we are really desperate, and that works against Sandin more than anyone else.
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I could see both teams wanting him but I wouldn't be surprised if WPG is on his NTC. Dallas would make sense depending on the Robertson contract. I could see them wanting to send one of Glendening/Kiviranta back.
 
Fogelhund said:
Take a look at Arizona's roster for example... he could play a pretty big role there, and they could probably trade him for some assets at the deadline.
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I don't hate the fit from an Arizona point of view but if I'm Kerfoot I have them on my 10 team NTC. There's 0 chance he's putting up 50 points there and he probably wants to play in a spot where he can maintain his perceived 50 point value to be able to cash in in UFA.
 
Americanadian said:
I don't hate the fit from an Arizona point of view but if I'm Kerfoot I have them on my 10 team NTC. There's 0 chance he's putting up 50 points there and he probably wants to play in a spot where he can maintain his perceived 50 point value to be able to cash in in UFA.
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Fair enough. No chance he puts up 50 points on the 4th line here either. :nod:;)
 
LeafChief said:
God, I hope not.

Not that I dislike Kerfoot but that line did not work. Either move him completely or put him on another line.
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If Dubas/Keefe plan on putting Kerfoot on the 4th line then not moving him this off-season, even for nothing, is a failure. If they plan on going into the season paying Kerfoot or anyone else 3.5M to play 10 minutes a game then that's just terrible cap management.
 
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Americanadian said:
If Dubas/Keefe plan on putting Kerfoot on the 4th line then not moving him this off-season, even for nothing, is a failure. If they plan on going into the season paying Kerfoot or anyone else 3.5M to play 10 minutes a game then that's just terrible cap management.
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He drags down the second line. He's insurance for now, in case Robertson isn't ready. Robertson shows he's ready, and it's probable that Kerfoot is moved at some point, to make room for upgrades needed elsewhere.
 
Americanadian said:
If Dubas/Keefe plan on putting Kerfoot on the 4th line then not moving him this off-season, even for nothing, is a failure. If they plan on going into the season paying Kerfoot or anyone else 3.5M to play 10 minutes a game then that's just terrible cap management.
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He's a waste on the fourth line. Kerfoot - Jarnkrok - Engvall may be the third line if he sticks around.
 
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LeafChief said:
He's a waste on the fourth line. Kerfoot - Jarnkrok - Engvall may be the third line if he sticks around.
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Kerfoot tends to drag lines down.
 
Americanadian said:
I'd bet that he's 2LW on opening night.
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Agreed, unless Robertson put on a bunch of muscle this summer and doesn't get knocked off his skates 3 times a shift

Fogelhund said:
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Kerfoot tends to drag lines down.
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Interesting, I'm curious how the lines zone deployment and QoC change when Kerfoot is moved onto a line. However the sample size is really small for that data set when kerfoot is on the line from what I can tell
 
dubplatepressure said:
Still PPG despite that fact. You don't have to be fast to be effective. JT remains a part of this team's core for good reason.
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Hasn't actually been ppg the last three seasons, but close enough.

The problem is that his 'ppg' is coming more and more from what his teammates do, and less and less from what he does.

Yes, he will be considered 'core' until we stop paying him $11M per season.
 
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LeafChief said:
He's a waste on the fourth line. Kerfoot - Jarnkrok - Engvall may be the third line if he sticks around.
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I agree $3.5M is a waste on the fourth line, but it is maybe a good insurance amount?

IF everyone were to break camp healthy and Robertson wins a spot, I could see something like this:

Bunting / Matthews / Nylander
Robertson / Tavares / Marner
Engvall / Kampf / Jarnkrok
ZAR / Kerfoot / NAK
Malgin, Anderson, Gaudette

When injuries strike...and they will, we will be happy to have the Kerfoot versatility.
 
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conFABulator said:
I agree $3.5M is a waste on the fourth line, but it is maybe a good insurance amount?

IF everyone were to break camp healthy and Robertson wins a spot, I could see something like this:

Bunting / Matthews / Nylander
Robertson / Tavares / Marner
Engvall / Kampf / Jarnkrok
ZAR / Kerfoot / NAK
Malgin, Anderson, Gaudette

When injuries strike...and they will, we will be happy to have the Kerfoot versatility.
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Flip Kerf/Kampf and you get a fourth line that can lock things down and a third line that can score
 
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Gallagbi said:
Flip Kerf/Kampf and you get a fourth line that can lock things down and a third line that can score
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Pretty much how I see it. Use the lines almost equally depending on the situation. When trying to protect a lead or on a defensive zone face off play the shutdown line more. When trailing or on an offensive zone face off play the Kerfoot line more.
 
Kerfoot's PK ability is redundant with ZAR, Kampf, Engvall, Marner, Jarnkrok, etc. as options there.

Not capitalizing on his career year heading into a rental season is disappointing, assuming he's not the cap casualty before camp, especially with Robertson as an internal option most teams would be fine gambling on.

I don't like his fit on any line in the top 9.
 
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Fogelhund said:
Like I suggested, Arizona would be a great option. They are pretty devoid of talent, he wouldn't cost them much, and they could turn around at the deadline, and get a decent return on him in all likelihood. He should net them a better deadline return, than any other UFA out there right now... and they'd only have to fork out $750k, which helps in their situation.
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If it is Arizona, maybe the Leafs prefer doing Kerfoot + Sandin for Hayton + picks. I guess it would depend on how much Arizona wants to keep Hayton, but they just added Cooley, Geekie, Smith, and McBain to their depth chart since the TDL.

Their LD depth chart has Moser, Dineen, and Kolyachonok as their main long term prospects. For a team that wants to trade Chychrun it seems, they don't have much on the left side. Moser and Kolyachonok played for a bit in the NHL last year, but they need more AHL time.

Main roadblock is probably Kerfoot's NTC. He would get good opportunities in Arizona replacing Hayton, and could go to a competitive team later on. But Hayton could be our 3C. We can sign ZAR, and we should have enough cap space to have a 13th forward (which I would make one of Anderson or Malgin) and a 7th defenseman (could be Stralman or Subban).

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Malgin/Anderson
Engvall-Hayton-Jarnkrok
ZAR-Kampf-NAK
Malgin/Anderson

Rielly-Liljegren
Muzzin-Brodie
Giordano-Holl
Stralman

Murray-Samsonov
 
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